” …there is a reality that can’t be avoided. This president once again has proved an apt negotiator on behalf of the Palestinians and a thorn in Israel’s side. Now is a time of choosing for the American Jewish community, for Israel and for Congress. And if Obama should be reelected in 2012 one can only imagine how hostile he will become toward the Jewish state. ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/obama-double-downs-at-aipac/2011/03/29/AFhx9C9G_blog.html?wprss=right-turn

NEVER TRUST OBAMA .

Foiled again, huh right-wingers? :)

Wingers Gone Wild. The baggers aren’t going to like this at all. It’s been a good day for Obama and the United States of America.

This president is like a broken clock…it will tell you what you want to hear twice a day.

He will give enough speeches, change each one untl you hear what you want to hear.

NEVER listen to this man. WATCH what he does….

BatBoy said:
This president is like a broken clock…it will tell you what you want to hear twice a day.

He will give enough speeches, change each one untl you hear what you want to hear.

NEVER listen to this man. WATCH what he does….

You’re just upset that things went so well. From Glenn Becks lips to your brain. LMAO!

There really was nothing radical about Obama’s first speech. It was quite temperate and pro-Israel than most of the reactionary conservatives thought it was. Frum disagrees.
http://www.frumforum.com/obama-digs-in-on-israels-borders
Haaretz disagrees with Bibi.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/today-s-borders-are-the-indefensible-ones-1.363224
Hmmmmm….
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=221746

This is called being diplomatic. :)

Obama hated BeBe’s and all Israeli’s guts before last Thursday. Nothings changed other than one of his schmuck advisors inthe White House told his teleprompters what to say and Ears read it.

He even referenced losing the Jewish vote in his campaign speech today.

Obama is as good as kicked to the curb today. He has no chance of winning reelection next year.

Many people across this country are still afraid to speak publicly about how they feel about this creep that’s freeloading in our White House.

That is perfectly OK, as it’ll make it even better when millions more liberal heads explode like rotten melons in the wee hours after election night.

” BOOM ” goes the Obama regime dynamite.

The Lantern of Truth said:
” …there is a reality that can’t be avoided. This president once again has proved an apt negotiator on behalf of the Palestinians and a thorn in Israel’s side. Now is a time of choosing for the American Jewish community, for Israel and for Congress. And if Obama should be reelected in 2012 one can only imagine how hostile he will become toward the Jewish state. ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/obama-double-downs-at-aipac/2011/03/29/AFhx9C9G_blog.html?wprss=right-turn

NEVER TRUST OBAMA .

Jennifer Rubin is the author. Case closed.

I’m absolutely certain that Obamo, in front of a crowd of His Kind, will call the Jewish people ‘bitter clingers.’

Gasket said:
Jennifer Rubin is the author. Case closed.

J. Rubin is Establishment. Sorry.

ChrisNH said:
I’m absolutely certain that Obamo, in front of a crowd of His Kind, will call the Jewish people ‘bitter clingers.’

And what might “His Kind” be?

ChrisNH said:
I’m absolutely certain that Obamo, in front of a crowd of His Kind, will call the Jewish people ‘bitter clingers.’

I’m sure you think that because you are ignorant and live in your mothers basement.

yup wingnuts get mad at him when he says something they don’t like and get madder at him when he says something they like.

Sarah Palin’s take on the Israel/Palestine issue…during an interview this weekend on some FOX show:

“Anyone who studies history, studies the old testament, studies geography understands that Israel now is surrounded by enemies at all times,” Palin said on Jeanine Pirro’s “Justice With Judge Jeanine.” “It should be now that America takes a stand in defending our enemies in Israel.”

all I can say is LOL

WCinWI said:
J. Rubin is Establishment. Sorry.

Ummm… know what you’re talking about before typing sister. We are talking about US-Israeli policy specifically. We are not talking about her opinion on just any other issue. She’s a VERY VERY big supporter of the hawkish far right wing of Israelis and the Likud party. Far right ideologue on this issue. Nothing “establishment” about that. Hence my dismissal of her commentary.

She can see Israel from her house in Alaska

Alice67 said:
And what might “His Kind” be?

White, euro-trash socialist Libs like you. And you thought I meant something else, didn’t you? That would be you failing at the skill of inferring correctly…not the first time that Dim Libs have been caught doing that. Everything to them is racial, which is why we correctly call Leftists the biggest racists around.

KARACHI (AFP) – Gunmen armed with rockets and explosives stormed a major Pakistani naval air base, triggering gunbattles that killed four navy staff on Monday three weeks after the US killing of Osama bin Laden.

Around 10 people were wounded and towering flames rose over PNS Mehran in the centre of Karachi, Pakistan’s largest city, where the military and government confirmed that the base was under “terrorist attack”.

An AFP reporter saw swarms of soldiers and navy commando reinforcements pile into the base as smoke rose into the night sky. Over a period of several hours, an AFP photographer heard nine blasts and periodic bursts of gunfire.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110522/wl_afp/pakistanunrestkarachi

ChrisNH said:
White, euro-trash socialist Libs like you. And you thought I meant something else, didn’t you? That would be you failing at the skill of inferring correctly…not the first time that Dim Libs have been caught doing that. Everything to them is racial, which is why we correctly call Leftists the biggest racists around.

LMAO. Coming from dumb, white, trailer park trash? Seriously, take down the Confederate flag.

ChrisNH said:
White, euro-trash socialist Libs like you. And you thought I meant something else, didn’t you? That would be you failing at the skill of inferring correctly…not the first time that Dim Libs have been caught doing that. Everything to them is racial, which is why we correctly call Leftists the biggest racists around.

She asked a simple question and your flippant response infers that her suspicions were justified. Defensive much? LOL.

A.R. said:
Sarah Palin’s take on the Israel/Palestine issue…during an interview this weekend on some FOX show:

“Anyone who studies history, studies the old testament, studies geography understands that Israel now is surrounded by enemies at all times,” Palin said on Jeanine Pirro’s “Justice With Judge Jeanine.” “It should be now that America takes a stand in defending our enemies in Israel.”

all I can say is LOL

well, that would be funny, but that’s not what she said. She said:

“Anyone who studies history, studies the old testament, studies geography understands that Israel now is surrounded by enemies at all times,” Palin said on Jeanine Pirro’s “Justice With Judge Jeanine.” “It should be now that America takes a stand in defending our friends in Israel.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/sarah-palin-slams-obama-on-israel-wants-redneck-woman-to-be-her-ringtone.html

http://video.foxnews.com/v/954024684001/sarah-palins-take-on-israel-2012/

uhhhh Saraitaly the point being is anyone who understands history knows that Israel has always been surrounded by enemies at all times. Heck you could argue that they are surrounded by less enemies today than they were before. Jordan, Egypt, and even Iraq are not sworn enemies of Israel at the moment. Thats better than it use to be.

Alice67 said:
Foiled again, huh right-wingers? :)

Bibi issued a form letter, and you are pleased? Why am I not surprised? Check out the picture of a man and a boy in their early twenties…

http://lucianne.com

insideguy said:
yup wingnuts get mad at him when he says something they don’t like and get madder at him when he says something they like.

Yes, and as Bob Scheiffer alluded to with Newt Gingrich, Republicans will take a position on issue and then change it depending on what position the president takes. It is despicable, and more importantly damnable.

insideguy said:
She can see Israel from her house in Alaska

Actually, she already saw Israel. Live – in person. :)

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/photo-sarah-palin-meets-with-prime-minister-netanyahu/

Cool im glad she went I have been their 3 times I guess that makes me an expert like her.

insideguy said:
uhhhh Saraitaly the point being is anyone who understands history knows that Israel has always been surrounded by enemies at all times.

uhhh…that’s what she said.

insideguy said:
Cool im glad she went I have been their 3 times I guess that makes me an expert like her.

Did you have access to leadership…um, like her?

“Anyone who studies history, studies the old testament, studies geography understands that Israel now is surrounded by enemies at all times,” Palin said on Jeanine Pirro’s “Justice With Judge Jeanine.” “It should be now that America takes a stand in defending our enemies in Israel.”
all I can say is LOL

Uhhh no she used the word NOW as you can see by your quote that to me means that she thinks they weren’t before. uhhhh

lol no and I don’t have access to a reality show like her and her daughter either.

see sara its what the right always does they make things look like now, today while Obama is in office is the worst time in the history of the USA and the world. They don’t put things into context, its a political strategy and for the uneducated it works.

This photo needs to go viral. 0bama and Bibi, the formative years. Wow, you liberals know how to pick ‘em.

http://lucianne.com

insideguy said:
lol no and I don’t have access to a reality show like her and her daughter either.

Sure you do. Can’t hold a candle to Snookie, is that what you are trying to say?

No but she and her daughter apparently can hold a candle to Snookie I guess that makes you proud to support her.

Look how one prepares for socialism, and one for reality. http://lucianne.com

insideguy said:
No but she and her daughter apparently can hold a candle to Snookie I guess that makes you proud to support her.

Her love of America makes me proud of her. Does Michelle’s hatred of America make you proud, cupcake?

so, history, the old testament, and geography don’t show that israel was surrounded by their enemies, at all times?

wow, she said *now*….she also said *at all times*.
you’re sure putting a lot of importance on the word now.

I think most people realize when she said that “history, old testament and geography shows” she was saying that they were and currently are (now!) surrounded by their enemies. At all times!

ndanielson said:
Sure you do. Can’t hold a candle to Snookie, is that what you are trying to say?

I think he/she is trying to say that you are a brain dead dip shit. Does that clear things up?

Noooo she said Now Israel is surrounded by her enemies at all times. If she wanted to be clear she would have said Israel has always been surrounded by enemies at all times. You know that sara, im sure thats the way you would have said it.

The history of Palestine is a fascinating study of a complex region. Unbiased archeology proves that just about everyone has been in Jerusalem as some point in time. What some Israelis are doing in Palestine would be no different from some stranger, who thinks your religion is a worthless lie, just taking your land from you like you don’t even matter. How would that make you feel? I’ve said this before and I still say it: the only way for Jersusalem to truly be a ‘holy city’ is for Jews, Christians and Muslims to respect one another’s religious beliefs and not try to steal land from one another. It would be really fascinating to give it a try and maybe find out if peace really could be possible.

insideguy said:
lol no and I don’t have access to a reality show like her and her daughter either.

Even the thought challenged Sam M. has access, why not you, cupcake?

lol thanks Sam you are much less diplomatic than I am:) So as long as you love America like Mrs. Palin thinks she does then thats ok? In other words I don’t care if shes a complete fraud idiot buffoon who may or may not have a college degree in something. She loves America. As opposed to our president who is smart but according to you is an agent placed here by the socialist communist left wing welfare loving haters of America. But this president who gave the order to kill the most wanted man in the world, and who committed the largest attack ever on America. He apparently hates America unlike Mrs. Alaska 1983

ndanielson said:
Even the thought challenged Sam M. has access, why not you, cupcake?

LMAO…pumpkin.

insideguy said:
Noooo she said Now Israel is surrounded by her enemies at all times. If she wanted to be clear she would have said Israel has always been surrounded by enemies at all times. You know that sara, im sure thats the way you would have said it.

sarainitaly said:
so, history, the old testament, and geography don’t show that israel was surrounded by their enemies, at all times?

insideguy said:
lol thanks Sam you are much less diplomatic than I am:) So as long as you love America like Mrs. Palin thinks she does then thats ok? In other words I don’t care if shes a complete fraud idiot buffoon who may or may not have a college degree in something. She loves America. As opposed to our president who is smart but according to you is an agent placed here by the socialist communist left wing welfare loving haters of America. But this president who gave the order to kill the most wanted man in the world, and who committed the largest attack ever on America. He apparently hates America unlike Mrs. Alaska 1983

Your boy had no choice. If word got out that he let Osama go, he’d look more lame than the adulterer in chief, BJ Clinton when he did it. What makes a red blooded American vote for a man who’s own wife called America a downright mean place, and had never found anything to be proud of her entire life about the country that gave her a 300k a year job for marrying a former community agitator? Does your boy Sam have the answer to that? Idiot.

Uhhh ndanielson cause in case you haven’t figured it out yet people with reality tv shows aren’t exactly taken seriously. But thats ok my friend you keep supporting her and when she plays you for a fool and doesn’t run you keep on supporting her and support whomever she supports, cause she loves America.

Sam M. said:
LMAO…pumpkin.

If you did that, sweetpea, what would be left of you? A soiled diaper?

ndanielson said:
Your boy had no choice. If word got out that he let Osama go, he’d look more lame than the adulterer in chief, BJ Clinton when he did it. What makes a red blooded American vote for a man who’s own wife called America a downright mean place, and had never found anything to be proud of her entire life about the country that gave her a 300k a year job for marrying a former community agitator? Does your boy Sam have the answer to that? Idiot.

Here’s the answer. You are dumb trailer park trash. How does that work fer ya?

wow the wingnuts are really out in force today did you call all of your friends via telegraph and tell them to come on mediate and give insideguy thumbs down lol.

Not exactly two of a kind .

http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/

insideguy said:
Uhhh ndanielson cause in case you haven’t figured it out yet people with reality tv shows aren’t exactly taken seriously. But thats ok my friend you keep supporting her and when she plays you for a fool and doesn’t run you keep on supporting her and support whomever she supports, cause she loves America.

Then there are the geniuses like yourself, and your buddy Sam who vote for someone who’s wife and preacher both detest America and whitey, and even tell you they do, AND YOU STILL vote for them. Is it because you are afraid of being hurt, sweetpea? How does one uphold a constitution that they despise?

Ohhhh so he had no choice. Unlike your guy who had many choices and made the wrong choice on just about everything. Obama said in 2008 he was going to do exactly what he did in 2011, get over it, the old man who ran against him said Obama was naive for saying it. Who’s naive now cupcake.

ndanielson said:
If you did that, sweetpea, what would be left of you? A soiled diaper?

Oh come on pumpkin, word has it that a soiled diaper is one of your many perverted fetishes. I’ll let you know the others later.

See ndanielson even though your boy bush took away more constitutional rights than my guy has every dreamed about im not gonna stoop so low and say he hated America. Thats your starting point then your a fool who will never be happy with anything Obama does so its useless to converse with you.

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The tail cannot continue to wag the dog. A great power like the United States has foreign policy interests, imperatives and goals that are global in nature, and cannot be constrained or shackled by a slavish, often toadyish, desire to please Israel. That has basically been US Middle East policy since 1967, and it was sold partly on the basis that Israel is a strong, indispensable ally of the US in the Middle East. In fact, Israel’s influence extends only as far as its soldiers that guard the frontier. In a violently anti-Israel Muslim world, the Jewish state is worse than useless as an ally.

Instead of a powerful ally, we have an Israel has linked her very survival to the continued good will of another nation, the United States. Not only is that an unsustainable foreign policy goal, but a state that relies for its existence on the good will of another cannot survive.

Like the Cream said, we’re going wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwTI-IN0fp4&feature=related

insideguy said:
Ohhhh so he had no choice. Unlike your guy who had many choices and made the wrong choice on just about everything. Obama said in 2008 he was going to do exactly what he did in 2011, get over it, the old man who ran against him said Obama was naive for saying it. Who’s naive now cupcake.

Your boy had no choice. Bummer that he couldn’t wait ’till closer to the elections, huh?

Hey, how ’bout that 0bama and his waivers?

MILTON WOLF: ObamaCare Waiver Corruption Must Stop. “A government empowered to determine arbitrarily who may operate outside the rule of law invariably embraces favoritism as friends, allies and those with the best-funded lobbyists are rewarded. Favoritism inevitably leads to corruption, and corruption invites extortion. Ultimately, the rule of law ceases to exist in any recognizable form.”

What a guy, that 0bama?

Honesty is something he and his ilk just oooze. LOL. Your boy and his agenda are a fraud. Wake up, idiot.

May 22, 2011
Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are gourmet restaurants, nightclubs, fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosi’s district

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/17/nearly-20-percent-of-new-obamacare-waivers-are-gourmet-restaurants-nightclubs-fancy-hotels-in-nancy-pelosi%e2%80%99s-district/#ixzz1N88Zufte

ndanielson said:
Your boy had no choice. Bummer that he couldn’t wait ’till closer to the elections, huh?

Hey, how ’bout that 0bama and his waivers?

What a guy, that 0bama?

Honesty is something he and his ilk just oooze. LOL. Your boy and his agenda are a fraud. Wake up, idiot.

You also like to dance around the neighborhood in womens panties. More to follow.

Noooo he made the call to kill Osama cause it was the right thing to do you ignorant fool. Go ahead say it I know you can say it Obama did the right thing.

you cant say it:)

insideguy said:
wow the wingnuts are really out in force today did you call all of your friends via telegraph and tell them to come on mediate and give insideguy thumbs down lol.

I think they get a vote with each pseudonym. Most of these kooks have got more personae than Eve.
Some approach Sybil. They add up.

Sam M. said:
mothers basement.

Sam M. said:
white, trailer park trash

It’s nice to bludgeon the Left into submission. When their only retorts comprise the above amoeba-like comments, I first laugh at them and then smile.

Winning!!!

The Lantern of Truth said:
Not exactly two of a kind .

http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/

EVERY Israeli serves in the army, LoT. Don’t try to be cute while burning the hash oil.

Obama says on May 19: “The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines”

Obama says on May 22 “The parties themselves – Israelis and Palestinians – will negotiate a border that is different than the one that existed on June 4, 1967″

That kind of firm, clear leadership and consistency must be deeply appreciated by the U.S.’s allies.

insideguy said:
Noooo he made the call to kill Osama cause it was the right thing to do you ignorant fool. Go ahead say it I know you can say it Obama did the right thing.

0bama only does the right thing for 0bama. How’s that? Wow we can agree on something. Now it is up to you to take that directly out of context, declare a victory, and celebrate that someone actually agrees with you that 0bama did the right thing. No wonder you sheep are so content to have government run your lives. A little cheese goes so far. Too bad you are clueless about the cost of “free” cheese. Didn’t your daddy ever teach you that nothing is free, sweetpea?

Did you know that 0bama is getting his SEAL suit bronzed?

Aren’t you glad he didn’t release those pictures? He knows what is best for America. His wife, too.

What are you winning Chris? A lifetime membership to the Heritage foundation? Or a lifetime subscription to the Blaze.

well you really didn’t admit it so I cant declare a victory. So your idea is Obama killed Bin laden for selfish reasons only? You are worse off than i thought I give up.

ChrisNH said:
It’s nice to bludgeon the Left into submission. When their only retorts comprise the above amoeba-like comments, I first laugh at them and then smile.

Winning!!!

He/she/it does have some tenacity, you gotta admit. It is so fun to ignore, though. He fishes so hard for the next attention bone to be tossed his way. LOL.

Glackin said:
I think they get a vote with each pseudonym. Most of these kooks have got more personae than Eve.
Some approach Sybil. They add up.

How about after you’ve been banned Mr Glackin ?

ChrisNH said:
It’s nice to bludgeon the Left into submission. When their only retorts comprise the above amoeba-like comments, I first laugh at them and then smile.

Winning!!!

Yup, you and Charlie Sheen. Peas in a pod, nuts in a sack, whatever.

Count Istvan said:
How about after you’ve been banned Mr Glackin ?

Moderated, Countess, moderated. And I am still the one and only.

ChrisNH said:
And what might “His Kind” be?

ChrisNH said:
White, euro-trash socialist Libs like you. And you thought I meant something else, didn’t you? That would be you failing at the skill of inferring correctly…not the first time that Dim Libs have been caught doing that. Everything to them is racial, which is why we correctly call Leftists the biggest racists around.

I simply asked a question and you assigned all sorts of motives to it … ironic that you’ve just done what you are accusing me of doing. Pathetic!

felixw says:
May 22, 2011 at 8:35 pm (Quote)
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Obama says on May 19: “The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines”

Obama says on May 22 “The parties themselves – Israelis and Palestinians – will negotiate a border that is different than the one that existed on June 4, 1967″

That kind of firm, clear leadership and consistency must be deeply appreciated by the U.S.’s allies.

Yea its called diplomacy my friend unlike your guy who wouldn’t know hat the word meant if it hit him in the head attached to a sledgehammer.

insideguy said:
well you really didn’t admit it so I cant declare a victory. So your idea is Obama killed Bin laden for selfish reasons only? You are worse off than i thought I give up.

Actually, he did the right thing twice. He was dead nuts for going after OBL with an okay to kill (if he did, LOL) and, so far he isn’t going after the Seal team for murder or brutality. Hey, sweetpea, he is 2-0 in my book!

He is going after the ones who garnered all the Osama intel, though. Imagine what it must be like to serve in the intelligence industry nowadays. Never know which liberal clown will try to imprison you for violating a terrorist’s rights. LOL. Sam, that’s your boy!

Barry, speak as much as ya want, you will never live down that massive bitch-slap Benjamin Netanyahu gave ya on Friday.

Never, son!

LOL

“Obama clarified his statement about Israel needing to return to its 1967 borders ”

Translation: Barry knows he screwed up big time.

Glackin said:
Moderated, Countess, moderated. And I am still the one and only.

Lets add lying to your growing list of personal short comings . OW8 , I forgot about that whole Mother being drafted thing .

http://tinyurl.com/6y9w4c6

ndanielson said:
Bibi issued a form letter, and you are pleased? Why am I not surprised? Check out the picture of a man and a boy in their early twenties…

http://lucianne.com

And what do those pictures mean to you?

heres some consistent policy for you

Two days after the 9/11 attacks, on Sept. 13, 2001, George W. Bush said:

“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.” source

Five days after the 9/11 attacks, on Sept. 16, 2001, George W. Bush said:

“My administration has a job to do and we’re going to do it. We will rid the world of the evil-doers.” source

Three months after the 9/11 attacks, on Dec. 14, 2001, George W. Bush said:

“We’re going to get [Bin Laden] Dead or alive, it doesn’t matter to me.” source

Three and a half months after the 9/11 attacks, on Dec. 21, 2001, in a White House press release highlighting the “accomplishments” of his first year, George W. Bush had this to say:

“But all in all, it’s been a fabulous year for Laura and me.” source

Six months after the 9/11 attacks, on March 13, 2002, George W. Bush said:

“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” source

Glackin said:
I think they get a vote with each pseudonym. Most of these kooks have got more personae than Eve.
Some approach Sybil. They add up.

LOL ! Can you use the ” Facebook User ” moniker to vote with ?

umm the pictures mean that Bibib was in the army just like everyone else has to be in Israel and Obama was in college having a good time? Would you like a picture of President bush getting arrested and handcuffed for a DWI back in the 70s?

Hey, sheep, answer me this: do you ever get embarrassed when you see Michelle Obama, and know that she SAID that she was never proud of America her whole life, and yet, YOU STILL VOTED FOR HER HUSBAND? When you hear the name Jeremiah Wright, are you as proud of America as Barry and Michelle are, or more?

Oh really have you noticed that the right has shut the f#ck up about how waterboarding was the reason for capturing Bin Laden? I wonder why that is. Maybe cause Mccain stood up on the floor of the Senate and said it was all bullsh#t. It shut them down bigtime.

Alice67 said:
And what do those pictures mean to you?

It’s not what they mean, it is what they show. They show the formation of character. LOL.

insideguy said:
Six months after the 9/11 attacks, on March 13, 2002, George W. Bush said:

“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” source

Nice lie, son.

Bush actually said this, but you conveniently left it out in your rush to post your lib talking points.

“: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he’s alive at all. Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not; we haven’t heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is — really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he’s just — he’s a person who’s now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He’s the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is — as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide — if, in fact, he’s hiding at all.

“So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I’m more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.”

“Well, as I say, we haven’t heard much from him. And I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don’t know where he is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became — we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we — excuse me for a minute — and if we find a training camp, we’ll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That’s one of the things — part of the new phase that’s becoming apparent to the American people is that we’re working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money.”

BTW, Bush hasn’t been in office for over 2 years- get with the program.

Here’s what Barry said about UBL, son in January 2009:

“We no longer need to kill Bin Laden, claims Barack Obama”

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:34 AM on 15th January 2009

Barack Obama has claimed it is no longer necessary to kill Osama Bin Laden to win the war against al-Qaeda.

In an unprecedented departure from the current wanted ‘dead or alive policy,’ the U.S. President-Elect said that simply keeping bin Laden holed up in a cave was enough to keep America safe.

” If we have so tightened his noose that he’s in a cave somewhere and can’t even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America”.

See sheep unlike you i have an open mind and understand that african americans have a slightly different view of things than you do sheep. See I could go on and say Bushy had Billy Gram around as a personal confidant. Yea you know the guy and his son who claim that if don’t accept Jesus as your personal savior you are going to burn in hell and be tortured for eternity. Yea that guy. The guy who believes the rapture is coming and billions will be killed. Thats a nice logical man to have as a personal confidant , when you are president of the united states.

insideguy said:
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” source

That quote is fake. Try again.

insideguy said:
See sheep unlike you i have an open mind and understand that african americans have a slightly different view of things than you do sheep.

You have neither a mind, nor a brain.

ndanielson said:
It’s not what they mean, it is what they show. They show the formation of character. LOL.

Thanks for reminding me. This should be shared with all. Bush was flying fighter jets around this period in his life, as well. Its called a juxtaposition, Ellen. LOL. Draw your own conclusions. Pathetic, ain’t it? No wonder you leftists are miserable pukes.

http://lucianne.com/

see thats a great quote notsofast and shows how wrong he was. Bin Laden was still at the center of the command structure according to intelligence that they found at the site where he got a hole blown into his head.

insideguy said:
See I could go on and say Bushy had Billy Gram around as a personal confidant.

LOL

Hey loser lib, Bush ISN”T THE PRESIDENT!

It was in all the newspapers, son!

Bush was flying fighter jets where ndanielson. Across the USA during vietnam which he avoided like the plague. And he didn’t fly them very long before he became a drunk and passed out behind the wheel of his car.

No loser the point is you ignore all these things as long as its your guy in the white house. I don’t.

insideguy said:
Oh really have you noticed that the right has shut the f#ck up about how waterboarding was the reason for capturing Bin Laden? I wonder why that is. Maybe cause Mccain stood up on the floor of the Senate and said it was all bullsh#t. It shut them down bigtime.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/17/mccains-fellow-vietnam-pows-support-waterboarding-al-qaeda-operatives-say-it-is-not-torture/

You’re cute when you swear.

insideguy said:
in Laden was still at the center of the command structure according to intelligence

lOL

Yeah, son, sure spin it.

UBL was finished after 911. He lost a safe state of operations in Afghanistan, he lost thousands of followers, and he has not been able to stage one attack near the scope of 911 on the USA since, except all the attacks he nearly got away with under Barry’s watch.

He was reduced to sleeping in squalor and on a mattress on the floor; hardly the master terrorist he once was.

Who’s spinning now you mean like before 9-11 when he was running his command structure out of a cave?

insideguy said:
Across the USA during vietnam which he avoided like the plague.

Nice lie.

Your 2 for 2, liar.

Report Says Dan Rather Personally Involved in CBS News Campaign to Destroy President Bush; Accuracy
By Accuracy In Media | January 10, 2005

Accuracy in Media said today that the newly released report on how CBS News handled the Bush National Guard story contains a bombshell that further undermines the credibility of CBS News anchorman Dan Rather and his close collaborator and associate, producer Mary Mapes.

The report reveals on page 130 that Mapes, one of those fired because of the scandal, had documented information in her possession before the controversial September 8 broadcast that George W. Bush, while in the Texas Air National Guard, “did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots.”

This information is critical because Dan Rather, in the broadcast, insinuated that Bush was among the “many well-connected young men [who tried to] pull strings and avoid service in Vietnam.”
AIM Editor Cliff Kincaid explained the significance of the panel’s revelation:

“Mapes, who was very close to Rather and enjoyed his confidence, had the evidence exonerating Bush of this malicious charge. The report shows that there were multiple credible sources to prove that Bush did not try to avoid Vietnam by going into the National Guard and that he was in fact willing to go to Vietnam as a pilot.

However, CBS News deliberately kept this information from its viewers and conveyed an opposite impression because Rather, Mapes & Company were trying to depict Bush as a coward who, as Commander-in-Chief, was sending American soldiers to their deaths in Iraq.”

Please post more of your lib talking point lies that we can destroy, son.

This is fun!

ndanielson said:
He/she/it does have some tenacity, you gotta admit. It is so fun to ignore, though. He fishes so hard for the next attention bone to be tossed his way. LOL.

I agree. When your whole career is spent sitting on porches waiting for your next entitlement check, you have the time to get worked up into a rabid-like state. It is fun watching Leftists bursting into flames. I’m happy to help.

insideguy said:
Bush was flying fighter jets where ndanielson. Across the USA during vietnam which he avoided like the plague. And he didn’t fly them very long before he became a drunk and passed out behind the wheel of his car.

He was flying in Texas, dumbass. Where was your boy snorting coke and smoking pot?

insideguy said:
heres some consistent policy for you

Two days after the 9/11 attacks, on Sept. 13, 2001, George W. Bush said:

“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.” source

Five days after the 9/11 attacks, on Sept. 16, 2001, George W. Bush said:

“My administration has a job to do and we’re going to do it. We will rid the world of the evil-doers.” source

Three months after the 9/11 attacks, on Dec. 14, 2001, George W. Bush said:

“We’re going to get [Bin Laden] Dead or alive, it doesn’t matter to me.” source

Three and a half months after the 9/11 attacks, on Dec. 21, 2001, in a White House press release highlighting the “accomplishments” of his first year, George W. Bush had this to say:

“But all in all, it’s been a fabulous year for Laura and me.” source

Six months after the 9/11 attacks, on March 13, 2002, George W. Bush said:

“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” source

If you remember, Obama said roughly the same thing. If you didn’t remember, now you know and you can include it in your little paste operation so as to be more factual.

insideguy said:
Who’s spinning now you mean like before 9-11 when he was running his command structure out of a cave?

LOL

He never was in a cave, you dunce. He was paying the Taliban millions a year to allow him to do his thing out in the open.

man, you really know nothing about UBL, do ya, son?

One of the first rules with Obama is to IGNORE what he says and focus on what he does. He probably lied to AIPAC like he does all the time to us.

Alz said:
If you remember, Obama said roughly the same thing. If you didn’t remember, now you know and you can include it in your little paste operation so as to be more factual.

Here is what Barry said:

“We no longer need to kill Bin Laden, claims Barack Obama”

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:34 AM on 15th January 2009

Barack Obama has claimed it is no longer necessary to kill Osama Bin Laden to win the war against al-Qaeda.

In an unprecedented departure from the current wanted ‘dead or alive policy,’ the U.S. President-Elect said that simply keeping bin Laden holed up in a cave was enough to keep America safe.

” If we have so tightened his noose that he’s in a cave somewhere and can’t even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America”.

you guys crack me up I do have access to the internet you know maybe you should try it heres a list of attempted attacks on the USA under Geroge Bushs watch when according to notsofast he was unable to do anything except under Obama.

Thwarted Attacks
Richard Reid, December 2001
A British citizen and self-professed follower of Osama bin Laden, Reid allegedly hid explosives inside his shoes aboard a flight from Paris to Miami and attempted to use a match to light the fuse in his shoe. The explosives were strong enough to cause damage to the plane if detonated. Caught in the act, Reid was apprehended on board the plane by the flight attendants with the assistance of passengers. FBI officials then took Reid into custody after the plane made an emergency landing at Boston’s Logan Airport.[2]
Reid was found guilty of charges of terrorism in 2003, and a U.S. federal court sentenced him to life imprisonment.[3]
Jose Padilla, May 2002
U.S. officials arrested Padilla in May 2002 at O’Hare Airport in Chicago as he returned to the United States from Pakistan, initially charging him with being an enemy combatant and planning to use a “dirty bomb” (an explosive laced with radioactive material) in an attack against America.[4] Prior to his conviction, Padilla brought a case against the federal government stating that he had been denied the right of habeas corpus (the right of an individual to petition against his or her imprisonment). The U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, found that the case had been filed improperly.[5] In 2005, the government officially indicted Padilla for conspiring with Islamic terrorist groups.[6]
In August 2007, Padilla was found guilty by a civilian jury after a three-month trial and a day and a half of deliberations.
Lackawanna Six, September 2002
When the FBI arrested Sahim Alwan, Yahya Goba, Yasein Taher, Faysal Galab, Shafal Mosed, and Mukhtar al-Bakri, the press dubbed them the “Lackawanna Six” (also the “Buffalo Six” or “Buffalo Cell”). Five of the six had been born and raised in Lackawanna, New York.[7] The six American citizens of Yemeni descent were arrested for conspiring with terrorist groups. They had stated that they were going to Pakistan to attend a religious training camp but instead attended an al-Qaeda “jihadist” camp.
All six pled guilty in 2003 to providing support to al-Qaeda. Faysal Galab received a seven-year sentence. Sahim Alwan got seven and a half years, while Yesein Taher and Shafal Mosed both received eight-year prison sentences. Mukhtar al-Bakri, the first to plead guilty, received a 10-year sentence, as did Yahya Goba.[8]
Iyman Faris, May 2003
A naturalized U.S. citizen originally from Kashmir and living in Columbus, Ohio, Iyman Faris was arrested for conspiring to commit a terrorist act. He was suspected of planning to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.[9] The New York City Police Department had learned about the plot and increased police surveillance around the bridge. Faced with this additional security, Faris and his superiors decided to cancel the attack.[10]
Faris pled guilty to conspiracy and providing material support to al-Qaeda. During his sentencing trial, he stated that he was innocent and had admitted a role in the plot to FBI agents only in order to trick the agents and secure a book deal. Faris was sentenced in Federal District Court to 20 years, the maximum allowed under his plea agreement.[11]
Virginia “Jihad” Network, June 2003
In Alexandria, Virginia, 11 men were arrested for weapons counts and for violating the Neutrality Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens and residents from attacking countries with which the United States is at peace. Of these 11 men, four pled guilty. Upon further investigation, the other seven members of the group were indicted on additional charges of conspiring to support terrorist organizations. They were found to have connections with al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Lashkar-i-Taiba, a terrorist organization that targets the Indian government.[12] The authorities stated that the Virginia men had used paintball games as a form of training and preparation for battle.[13] The group had also acquired surveillance and night vision equipment and wireless video cameras.[14]
The spiritual leader of the group, Ali al-Timimi, was found guilty of soliciting individuals to assault the United States and was sentenced to life in prison. Ali Asad Chandia received 15 years for supporting Lashkar-i-Taiba but maintains his innocence.[15] Randoll Todd Royer, Ibrahim al-Hamdi, Yong Ki Kwon, Khwaja Mahmoud Hasan, Muhammed Aatique, and Donald T. Surratt all pled guilty and were sentenced to prison terms.[16] Masoud Khan, Seifullah Chapman, and Hammad Adur-Raheem were found guilty at trial.[17]
Dhiren Barot, August 2004
A terrorist cell under the leadership of Dhiren Barot was arrested for plotting to attack the New York Stock Exchange and other financial institutions in New York, Washington, and Newark, New Jersey, and later accused of planning attacks in England. The plots included a “memorable black day of terror” with the employment of a “dirty bomb.”[18] A July 2004 police raid on Barot’s house in Pakistan discovered a number of incriminating documents in files on a laptop computer that included instructions for building car bombs.[19]
Dhiren Barot pled guilty and was convicted in the United Kingdom for conspiracy to commit mass murder and sentenced to 40 years.[20]

James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj, August 2004
James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj were arrested for plotting to bomb a subway station near Madison Square Garden in New York City before the Republican National Convention.[21] The New York City Police Departments intelligence Division helped to conduct an investigation leading to the arrests. An undercover agent infiltrated the group, provided information to authorities, and later testified against Elshafay and Siraj.[22]
Elshafay, a U.S. citizen, pled guilty and received a lighter sentence for testifying against his co-conspirator. He received five years. Shawhawar Matin Siraj was sentenced to 30 years in prison.[23]
Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain, August 2004
Two leaders of an Albany, New York, mosque were charged with plotting to purchase a shoulder-fired grenade launcher to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat.[24] An investigation by the FBI, the Treasury Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and the local police contributed to the arrest. With the help of an informant, the FBI was able to set up a sting that lured Mohammed Hossain into a fake terrorist conspiracy.[25] Hossain brought Yassin Araf, a Kurdish refugee, as a witness. The informant offered details of a fake terrorist plot, claiming that he needed the missiles to murder a Pakistani diplomat in New York City. Both agreed to help.[26]
Both Aref and Hossain were found guilty of money laundering and conspiracy to conceal material support for terrorism.
Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat, June 2005
In Lodi, California, Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat, a Pakistani immigrant and his American son, were arrested after allegedly lying to the FBI about the son’s attendance at an Islamic terrorist training camp in Pakistan.
The son, Hamid Hayat, was found guilty of supporting terrorism and was sentenced to 24 years.[27] Umer Hayat’s trial ended in a mistrial. He later pled guilty to lying to a Customs agent in his attempt to carry $28,000 into Pakistan.
Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson, Hammad Riaz Samana, and Kevin James, August 2005
Arrested in Los Angeles, California, the members of the group were charged with conspiring to attack Los Angeles National Guard facilities, synagogues, and other targets in the Orange County area.[28] Kevin James allegedly founded a radical Islamic prison group and converted Levar Washington and others to the group, which was known as JIS, short for Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh.[29] The JIS allegedly planned to finance their operations by robbing gas stations. After Washington and Patterson were arrested for robberies, police and federal agents began a terrorist investigation when a search of Washington’s apartment revealed a suspicious target list.[30]
All of the defendants pled not guilty and currently await trial.
Michael C. Reynolds, December 5, 2005
Michael C. Reynolds was arrested by the FBI and charged with being involved in a plot to blow up a Wyoming natural gas refinery; the Transcontinental Pipeline, a natural-gas pipeline stretching from the Gulf Coast to New York and New Jersey; and a New Jersey Standard Oil refinery.[31] He was arrested while trying to pick up the $40,000 owed to him for planning the attack.[32] His purported contact, Shannen Rossmiller, was a Montana judge who was working with the FBI.[33] The FBI later found explosives in a locker in his home town, Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania.[34] Reynolds claimed that he was working as a private citizen to find terrorists.[35]
Reynolds was convicted of providing material support to terrorists, soliciting a crime of violence, unlawful distribution of explosives, and unlawful possession of a hand grenade and sentenced to 30 years in prison.[36]
Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi, Zand Wassim Mazloum, February 2006
In Toledo, Ohio, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi, and Wassim Mazloum were arrested for “conspiring to kill or injure people in the Middle East” and providing material support to terrorist organizations. They allegedly intended to build bombs to be used in Iraq.[37] The investigation was begun through the help of an informant who was approached to help train the group.[38]
All defendants have pled not guilty.
Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee, April 2006
Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee from Atlanta, Georgia, were accused of conspiracy, having discussed terrorist targets with alleged terrorist organizations.[39] They allegedly met with Islamic extremists and received training and instruction in how to gather videotape surveillance of potential targets in the Washington area. They videotaped places such as the U.S. Capitol and the World Bank headquarters as potential targets and sent the videos to a London extremist group.[40]
They were indicted for providing material support to terrorist organizations and have pled not guilty.
Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine, June 2006
Seven men were arrested in Miami and Atlanta for allegedly being in the early stages of a plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago, as well as the FBI offices and other buildings. The arrests resulted from an investigation involving an FBI informant. It is alleged that Narsearl Batiste was the leader of the group and first suggested attacking the Sears Tower in December 2005.[41]
All individuals have pled not guilty and are awaiting trial.
Assem Hammoud, July 2006
Conducting on-line surveillance of chat rooms, the FBI discovered a plot to attack underground transit links with New Jersey.[42] Eight suspects, including Assem Hammoud, an al-Qaeda loyalist living inLebanon, were arrested for plotting to bomb the New York City train tunnels.[43] Hammoud was a self-proclaimed operative for al-Qaeda and admitted to the plot.[44] He is currently in custody in Lebanon, and his case is pending. Two other suspects are in custody in other locations, and investigators continue to hunt down the other five suspects.
Liquid Explosives Plot, August 2006
British law enforcement was able to stop a terrorist plot to load 10 commercial airliners headed to the United States with liquid explosives.[45] The areas said to be targeted were New York, Washington, D.C., and California.[46] Approximately 24 British persons were arrested in the London area. The style of the plot has raised speculation that al-Qaeda was behind it, but no concrete evidence has proven this.
The United Kingdom has charged 15 of the 24 arrested individuals, and trials are expected to begin in 2008.[47] The charges vary from conspiring to commit murder to planning to commit terrorist acts.[48]
Fort Dix Plot, May 2007
Six men were arrested in a plot against Fort Dix, a U.S. Army base in New Jersey. The plan included attacking and killing soldiers using assault rifles and grenades.[49] Five of the alleged conspirators had conducted training missions in the nearby Pocono Mountains. The sixth helped to obtain weapons. The arrests were made after a 16-month FBI operation that included infiltrating the group. The investigation began after a store clerk alerted authorities when he discovered a video file of the group firing weapons and calling for “jihad.” As far as is known, the group had no direct connections to any world terrorist organization.[50]
Five of the defendants have been charged with conspiracy to kill military personnel. The sixth is facing weapons charges.
JFK Plot, June 2007
Four men plotted to blow up a jet fuel artery that runs through residential neighborhoods at the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City. It is alleged that they believed this would create more destruction than September 11. Authorities stated that the attack would have caused major damage.[51]
Russell Defreitas, the leader of the group was arrested in Brooklyn. One of the men was a former airport worker, and two other individuals had links to Islamic extremists in South America and the Caribbean.[52] Two others, Abdul Kadir and Kareem Ibrahim, are being held in Trinidad. Kadir was an imam in Guyana, former member of parliament, and mayor of the town of Linden, Guyana. Ibrahim is a Trinidadian citizen. The fourth suspect-Abdel Nur, a Guyanese citizen-remains at large.[53]
Cases are pending.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, March 2007
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, captured in 2003, is alleged to have been involved in a number of terrorist plots and is among the most senior of Osama bin Laden’s operatives to have been captured. He is currently held at the U.S. military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. Mohammed admitted in March 2007 to helping to plan, organize, and run the September 11 attacks and also claimed responsibility for the first bombing at the World Trade Center and the bombings of nightclubs in Bali in 2002 and a Kenyan hotel. He has stated that he decapitated American journalist Daniel Pearl and took responsibility for helping to plan the failed attack by Richard Reid, along with plots at Heathrow Airport, Canary Wharf, and Big Ben, as well as targets in Israel and the Panama Canal. He also helped to develop plots surrounding Los Angeles, Chicago, and the Empire State Building as well as U.S. nuclear power stations. He also had plotted to assassinate Pope John Paul II and former President Bill Clinton.
The U.S. government intends to try him before a military commission authorized by Congress.
Staying Vigilant

He wasn’t in a cave? Why didn’t Bush kill him then?

insideguy said:
insideguy says:
May 22, 2011 at 9:15 pm insideguy(Quote)

LOL

Son, the topic is Barry at AIPAC, not about Bush.

Why are you afraid to talk about Barry, son?

maybe because of this:

9.0% unemployment
Record monthly deficits
Record debt
Record # of foreclosures
Record # on welfare
Record # living in poverty
Record job losses in 2009

Bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Talk about anything but the failure that is Barry, son!

lol Yep my friend and when you find someone who can beat him get back to me. I hope you run Palin:) never mind she wont run. And way to change the topic while i was smoking you. I can smoke you on this topic to if you like

insideguy said:
you guys crack me up I do have access to the internet you know maybe you should try it heres a list of attempted attacks on the USA under Geroge Bushs watch when according to notsofast he was unable to do anything except under Obama.

Thwarted Attacks
Richard Reid, December 2001
A British citizen and self-professed follower of Osama bin Laden, Reid allegedly hid explosives inside…blah, blah, blah

Bush stopped countless attacks and diminished Al Qaeda’s ability to do much. As we saw, Bin Laden was living in squalor. As Bush said, Bin Laden wasn’t leading any parades.

My answer was to notsofast who claimed Bin Laden was not able to mount any attempts on the USA except under Obama. I sure hope Bush diminished his abilities he had 8 years to do it, couldn’t find him but diminished his abilities good job. He moved from a cave to a 3 story house.

insideguy said:
lol Yep my friend and when you find someone who can beat him get back to me. I hope you run Palin:) never mind she wont run. And way to change the topic while i was smoking you. I can smoke you on this topic to if you like

LOL

Son, this is about Barry, not Palin.

Stop changing the subject- you already lost, son.

insideguy said:
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, March 2007
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, captured in 2003, is alleged to have been involved in a number of terrorist plots and is among the most senior of Osama bin Laden’s operatives to have been captured. He is currently held at the U.S. military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. Mohammed admitted in March 2007 to helping to plan, organize, and run the September 11 attacks and also claimed responsibility for the first bombing at the World Trade Center

Ouch!

So Clinton let the first WTC bombing happen and Bush inherited Clinton’s horrible intelligence agencies.

Thanks for the info, son!

LOL

insideguy said:
Cool im glad she went I have been their 3 times I guess that makes me an expert like her.

Did you meet with the PM? Probably not.

insideguy said:
He moved from a cave to a 3 story house.

Prove he was in a cave, son. I’ll wait.

insideguy said:
And way to change the topic while i was smoking you. I can smoke you on this topic to if you like

LOL

Son, you got smoked- caught you lying twice!

Oh, snap!

Barry gave another speech? At least when he’s saying ummmmmm. His lips ain’t moving, and that part is believable.

notsofast said:
Here is what Barry said:

“We no longer need to kill Bin Laden, claims Barack Obama”

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:34 AM on 15th January 2009

Barack Obama has claimed it is no longer necessary to kill Osama Bin Laden to win the war against al-Qaeda.

In an unprecedented departure from the current wanted ‘dead or alive policy,’ the U.S. President-Elect said that simply keeping bin Laden holed up in a cave was enough to keep America safe.

” If we have so tightened his noose that he’s in a cave somewhere and can’t even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America”.

Yes, thanks! If we point it out enough, some liberals will actually remember it.

ndanielson said:
It’s not what they mean, it is what they show. They show the formation of character. LOL.

Ah, a single snap shot in time shows the formation of someone’s character. LOL How convenient for you. Love the stories you righties tell yourselves. We in this parallel universe called reality are entertained indeed. :)

notsofast said:
LOL

Son, you got smoked- caught you lying twice!

Oh, snap!

LadyBoy, don’t you have to queef before your parents put you to bed?

ndanielson said:
Thanks for reminding me. This should be shared with all. Bush was flying fighter jets around this period in his life, as well. Its called a juxtaposition, Ellen. LOL. Draw your own conclusions. Pathetic, ain’t it? No wonder you leftists are miserable pukes.

In your universe the stories just write themselves with all the profound meaning you’ve assigned to them. It’s a world of your own making. Here …. in reality …. things are , well …. sane.

yep son and bush then kept clintons CIA chief after 9/11 and gave him a medal

Alz said:
One of the first rules with Obama is to IGNORE what he says and focus on what he does. He probably lied to AIPAC like he does all the time to us.

You are speaking for yourself when you talk about a liar. You can not document one lie from President Obama while you lie on this forum consistently.

insideguy said:
you guys crack me up I do have access to the internet you know maybe you should try it heres a list of attempted attacks on the USA under Geroge Bushs watch when according to notsofast he was unable to do anything except under Obama.

Thwarted Attacks
Richard Reid, December 2001
A British citizen and self-professed follower of Osama bin Laden, Reid allegedly hid explosives inside his shoes aboard a flight from Paris to Miami and attempted to use a match to light the fuse in his shoe. The explosives were strong enough to cause damage to the plane if detonated. Caught in the act, Reid was apprehended on board the plane by the flight attendants with the assistance of passengers. FBI officials then took Reid into custody after the plane made an emergency landing at Boston’s Logan Airport.[2]
Reid was found guilty of charges of terrorism in 2003, and a U.S. federal court sentenced him to life imprisonment.[3]
Jose Padilla, May 2002
U.S. officials arrested Padilla in May 2002 at O’Hare Airport in Chicago as he returned to the United States from Pakistan, initially charging him with being an enemy combatant and planning to use a “dirty bomb” (an explosive laced with radioactive material) in an attack against America.[4] Prior to his conviction, Padilla brought a case against the federal government stating that he had been denied the right of habeas corpus (the right of an individual to petition against his or her imprisonment). The U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, found that the case had been filed improperly.[5] In 2005, the government officially indicted Padilla for conspiring with Islamic terrorist groups.[6]
In August 2007, Padilla was found guilty by a civilian jury after a three-month trial and a day and a half of deliberations.
Lackawanna Six, September 2002
When the FBI arrested Sahim Alwan, Yahya Goba, Yasein Taher, Faysal Galab, Shafal Mosed, and Mukhtar al-Bakri, the press dubbed them the “Lackawanna Six” (also the “Buffalo Six” or “Buffalo Cell”). Five of the six had been born and raised in Lackawanna, New York.[7] The six American citizens of Yemeni descent were arrested for conspiring with terrorist groups. They had stated that they were going to Pakistan to attend a religious training camp but instead attended an al-Qaeda “jihadist” camp.
All six pled guilty in 2003 to providing support to al-Qaeda. Faysal Galab received a seven-year sentence. Sahim Alwan got seven and a half years, while Yesein Taher and Shafal Mosed both received eight-year prison sentences. Mukhtar al-Bakri, the first to plead guilty, received a 10-year sentence, as did Yahya Goba.[8]
Iyman Faris, May 2003
A naturalized U.S. citizen originally from Kashmir and living in Columbus, Ohio, Iyman Faris was arrested for conspiring to commit a terrorist act. He was suspected of planning to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.[9] The New York City Police Department had learned about the plot and increased police surveillance around the bridge. Faced with this additional security, Faris and his superiors decided to cancel the attack.[10]
Faris pled guilty to conspiracy and providing material support to al-Qaeda. During his sentencing trial, he stated that he was innocent and had admitted a role in the plot to FBI agents only in order to trick the agents and secure a book deal. Faris was sentenced in Federal District Court to 20 years, the maximum allowed under his plea agreement.[11]
Virginia “Jihad” Network, June 2003
In Alexandria, Virginia, 11 men were arrested for weapons counts and for violating the Neutrality Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens and residents from attacking countries with which the United States is at peace. Of these 11 men, four pled guilty. Upon further investigation, the other seven members of the group were indicted on additional charges of conspiring to support terrorist organizations. They were found to have connections with al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Lashkar-i-Taiba, a terrorist organization that targets the Indian government.[12] The authorities stated that the Virginia men had used paintball games as a form of training and preparation for battle.[13] The group had also acquired surveillance and night vision equipment and wireless video cameras.[14]
The spiritual leader of the group, Ali al-Timimi, was found guilty of soliciting individuals to assault the United States and was sentenced to life in prison. Ali Asad Chandia received 15 years for supporting Lashkar-i-Taiba but maintains his innocence.[15] Randoll Todd Royer, Ibrahim al-Hamdi, Yong Ki Kwon, Khwaja Mahmoud Hasan, Muhammed Aatique, and Donald T. Surratt all pled guilty and were sentenced to prison terms.[16] Masoud Khan, Seifullah Chapman, and Hammad Adur-Raheem were found guilty at trial.[17]
Dhiren Barot, August 2004
A terrorist cell under the leadership of Dhiren Barot was arrested for plotting to attack the New York Stock Exchange and other financial institutions in New York, Washington, and Newark, New Jersey, and later accused of planning attacks in England. The plots included a “memorable black day of terror” with the employment of a “dirty bomb.”[18] A July 2004 police raid on Barot’s house in Pakistan discovered a number of incriminating documents in files on a laptop computer that included instructions for building car bombs.[19]
Dhiren Barot pled guilty and was convicted in the United Kingdom for conspiracy to commit mass murder and sentenced to 40 years.[20]

James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj, August 2004
James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj were arrested for plotting to bomb a subway station near Madison Square Garden in New York City before the Republican National Convention.[21] The New York City Police Departments intelligence Division helped to conduct an investigation leading to the arrests. An undercover agent infiltrated the group, provided information to authorities, and later testified against Elshafay and Siraj.[22]
Elshafay, a U.S. citizen, pled guilty and received a lighter sentence for testifying against his co-conspirator. He received five years. Shawhawar Matin Siraj was sentenced to 30 years in prison.[23]
Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain, August 2004
Two leaders of an Albany, New York, mosque were charged with plotting to purchase a shoulder-fired grenade launcher to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat.[24] An investigation by the FBI, the Treasury Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and the local police contributed to the arrest. With the help of an informant, the FBI was able to set up a sting that lured Mohammed Hossain into a fake terrorist conspiracy.[25] Hossain brought Yassin Araf, a Kurdish refugee, as a witness. The informant offered details of a fake terrorist plot, claiming that he needed the missiles to murder a Pakistani diplomat in New York City. Both agreed to help.[26]
Both Aref and Hossain were found guilty of money laundering and conspiracy to conceal material support for terrorism.
Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat, June 2005
In Lodi, California, Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat, a Pakistani immigrant and his American son, were arrested after allegedly lying to the FBI about the son’s attendance at an Islamic terrorist training camp in Pakistan.
The son, Hamid Hayat, was found guilty of supporting terrorism and was sentenced to 24 years.[27] Umer Hayat’s trial ended in a mistrial. He later pled guilty to lying to a Customs agent in his attempt to carry $28,000 into Pakistan.
Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson, Hammad Riaz Samana, and Kevin James, August 2005
Arrested in Los Angeles, California, the members of the group were charged with conspiring to attack Los Angeles National Guard facilities, synagogues, and other targets in the Orange County area.[28] Kevin James allegedly founded a radical Islamic prison group and converted Levar Washington and others to the group, which was known as JIS, short for Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh.[29] The JIS allegedly planned to finance their operations by robbing gas stations. After Washington and Patterson were arrested for robberies, police and federal agents began a terrorist investigation when a search of Washington’s apartment revealed a suspicious target list.[30]
All of the defendants pled not guilty and currently await trial.
Michael C. Reynolds, December 5, 2005
Michael C. Reynolds was arrested by the FBI and charged with being involved in a plot to blow up a Wyoming natural gas refinery; the Transcontinental Pipeline, a natural-gas pipeline stretching from the Gulf Coast to New York and New Jersey; and a New Jersey Standard Oil refinery.[31] He was arrested while trying to pick up the $40,000 owed to him for planning the attack.[32] His purported contact, Shannen Rossmiller, was a Montana judge who was working with the FBI.[33] The FBI later found explosives in a locker in his home town, Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania.[34] Reynolds claimed that he was working as a private citizen to find terrorists.[35]
Reynolds was convicted of providing material support to terrorists, soliciting a crime of violence, unlawful distribution of explosives, and unlawful possession of a hand grenade and sentenced to 30 years in prison.[36]
Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi, Zand Wassim Mazloum, February 2006
In Toledo, Ohio, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi, and Wassim Mazloum were arrested for “conspiring to kill or injure people in the Middle East” and providing material support to terrorist organizations. They allegedly intended to build bombs to be used in Iraq.[37] The investigation was begun through the help of an informant who was approached to help train the group.[38]
All defendants have pled not guilty.
Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee, April 2006
Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee from Atlanta, Georgia, were accused of conspiracy, having discussed terrorist targets with alleged terrorist organizations.[39] They allegedly met with Islamic extremists and received training and instruction in how to gather videotape surveillance of potential targets in the Washington area. They videotaped places such as the U.S. Capitol and the World Bank headquarters as potential targets and sent the videos to a London extremist group.[40]
They were indicted for providing material support to terrorist organizations and have pled not guilty.
Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine, June 2006
Seven men were arrested in Miami and Atlanta for allegedly being in the early stages of a plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago, as well as the FBI offices and other buildings. The arrests resulted from an investigation involving an FBI informant. It is alleged that Narsearl Batiste was the leader of the group and first suggested attacking the Sears Tower in December 2005.[41]
All individuals have pled not guilty and are awaiting trial.
Assem Hammoud, July 2006
Conducting on-line surveillance of chat rooms, the FBI discovered a plot to attack underground transit links with New Jersey.[42] Eight suspects, including Assem Hammoud, an al-Qaeda loyalist living inLebanon, were arrested for plotting to bomb the New York City train tunnels.[43] Hammoud was a self-proclaimed operative for al-Qaeda and admitted to the plot.[44] He is currently in custody in Lebanon, and his case is pending. Two other suspects are in custody in other locations, and investigators continue to hunt down the other five suspects.
Liquid Explosives Plot, August 2006
British law enforcement was able to stop a terrorist plot to load 10 commercial airliners headed to the United States with liquid explosives.[45] The areas said to be targeted were New York, Washington, D.C., and California.[46] Approximately 24 British persons were arrested in the London area. The style of the plot has raised speculation that al-Qaeda was behind it, but no concrete evidence has proven this.
The United Kingdom has charged 15 of the 24 arrested individuals, and trials are expected to begin in 2008.[47] The charges vary from conspiring to commit murder to planning to commit terrorist acts.[48]
Fort Dix Plot, May 2007
Six men were arrested in a plot against Fort Dix, a U.S. Army base in New Jersey. The plan included attacking and killing soldiers using assault rifles and grenades.[49] Five of the alleged conspirators had conducted training missions in the nearby Pocono Mountains. The sixth helped to obtain weapons. The arrests were made after a 16-month FBI operation that included infiltrating the group. The investigation began after a store clerk alerted authorities when he discovered a video file of the group firing weapons and calling for “jihad.” As far as is known, the group had no direct connections to any world terrorist organization.[50]
Five of the defendants have been charged with conspiracy to kill military personnel. The sixth is facing weapons charges.
JFK Plot, June 2007
Four men plotted to blow up a jet fuel artery that runs through residential neighborhoods at the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City. It is alleged that they believed this would create more destruction than September 11. Authorities stated that the attack would have caused major damage.[51]
Russell Defreitas, the leader of the group was arrested in Brooklyn. One of the men was a former airport worker, and two other individuals had links to Islamic extremists in South America and the Caribbean.[52] Two others, Abdul Kadir and Kareem Ibrahim, are being held in Trinidad. Kadir was an imam in Guyana, former member of parliament, and mayor of the town of Linden, Guyana. Ibrahim is a Trinidadian citizen. The fourth suspect-Abdel Nur, a Guyanese citizen-remains at large.[53]
Cases are pending.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, March 2007
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, captured in 2003, is alleged to have been involved in a number of terrorist plots and is among the most senior of Osama bin Laden’s operatives to have been captured. He is currently held at the U.S. military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. Mohammed admitted in March 2007 to helping to plan, organize, and run the September 11 attacks and also claimed responsibility for the first bombing at the World Trade Center and the bombings of nightclubs in Bali in 2002 and a Kenyan hotel. He has stated that he decapitated American journalist Daniel Pearl and took responsibility for helping to plan the failed attack by Richard Reid, along with plots at Heathrow Airport, Canary Wharf, and Big Ben, as well as targets in Israel and the Panama Canal. He also helped to develop plots surrounding Los Angeles, Chicago, and the Empire State Building as well as U.S. nuclear power stations. He also had plotted to assassinate Pope John Paul II and former President Bill Clinton.
The U.S. government intends to try him before a military commission authorized by Congress.
Staying Vigilant

huh?

SO what are you saying notsofast I don’t understand you ,that Bin laden was not in a cave. Why didn’t bush get him then? What the hell are you talking about? If he was in a cave I could kind of understand but your saying he want in a cave where was he?

Dem 4 ever that was a post for notsofast who said Bin laden didn’t have any control over anything after 9-11 and no serious attempts were made against the USA under the Bush admin after 9-11

Alz said:
Bush stopped countless attacks and diminished Al Qaeda’s ability to do much. As we saw, Bin Laden was living in squalor. As Bush said, Bin Laden wasn’t leading any parades.

If that’s squalor, I’ll have some. That was quite a villa. That he chose to live in squalor had nothing to do with his surroundings, only his personal tastes, or lack thereof. How many Americans live in a villa of that size?

Resistance Is Futile said:
You are speaking for yourself when you talk about a liar. You can not document one lie from President Obama while you lie on this forum consistently.

How’s that boycott of Mediaite working out , armwood ?

Damn, Obama made Netenyahu out to be the liar he is In front of a thunderous applause from a pro-Israel audience no less. Good job President Obama.!

ndanielson said:
Barry gave another speech? At least when he’s saying ummmmmm. His lips ain’t moving, and that part is believable.

Yes, but he sure set the record straight in front of a pro-Israeli audience who gave him a thunderous applause no less. Well at least the Obamahaters and Teagaggers had one day of enjoyment.

notsofast said:
Nice lie, son. Bush actually said this, but you conveniently left it out in your rush to post your lib talking points. “: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he’s alive at all. Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not; we haven’t heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is — really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. And he’s just — he’s a person who’s now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He’s the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is — as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide — if, in fact, he’s hiding at all. “So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I’m more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.” “Well, as I say, we haven’t heard much from him. And I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don’t know where he is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became — we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we — excuse me for a minute — and if we find a training camp, we’ll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That’s one of the things — part of the new phase that’s becoming apparent to the American people is that we’re working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money.” BTW, Bush hasn’t been in office for over 2 years- get with the program. Here’s what Barry said about UBL, son in January 2009: “We no longer need to kill Bin Laden, claims Barack Obama” By Daily Mail ReporterLast updated at 9:34 AM on 15th January 2009 Barack Obama has claimed it is no longer necessary to kill Osama Bin Laden to win the war against al-Qaeda. In an unprecedented departure from the current wanted ‘dead or alive policy,’ the U.S. President-Elect said that simply keeping bin Laden holed up in a cave was enough to keep America safe. ” If we have so tightened his noose that he’s in a cave somewhere and can’t even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America”.

notsofast said:
Nice lie, son. Bush actually said this, but you conveniently left it out in your rush to post your lib talking points. “: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he’s alive at all. Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not; we haven’t heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is — really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. And he’s just — he’s a person who’s now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He’s the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is — as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide — if, in fact, he’s hiding at all. “So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I’m more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.” “Well, as I say, we haven’t heard much from him. And I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don’t know where he is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became — we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we — excuse me for a minute — and if we find a training camp, we’ll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That’s one of the things — part of the new phase that’s becoming apparent to the American people is that we’re working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money.” BTW, Bush hasn’t been in office for over 2 years- get with the program. Here’s what Barry said about UBL, son in January 2009: “We no longer need to kill Bin Laden, claims Barack Obama” By Daily Mail ReporterLast updated at 9:34 AM on 15th January 2009 Barack Obama has claimed it is no longer necessary to kill Osama Bin Laden to win the war against al-Qaeda. In an unprecedented departure from the current wanted ‘dead or alive policy,’ the U.S. President-Elect said that simply keeping bin Laden holed up in a cave was enough to keep America safe. ” If we have so tightened his noose that he’s in a cave somewhere and can’t even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America”.

Please defend W. for sending 5,000 of our troops to their death for invading the wrong country which had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 ? Say what son? Can’t hear you. Nice try anyway.

Plus that was a great fake by Obama to get Osama out in the open so he could order him killed:) You guys just cant accept it. Obama said he was gonna go into Pakistan and get him and he did:) I love that it drives you crazy:)

So does this mean Obama won’t roll back Israel to its 1933 borders?

What?

insideguy said:
Plus that was a great fake by Obama to get Osama out in the open so he could order him killed:) You guys just cant accept it. Obama said he was gonna go into Pakistan and get him and he did:) I love that it drives you crazy:)

Everyone is relieved OBL was killed by America’s finest, and politically, OBL’s death is very lucky timing for the Republicans. It could have happened next summer. There are reports that Obama was stalling the take down for over a year, but we’ll let that go for now. The poll numbers are bad on the security angle, the economy easily trumps it unlike 2004 and 2006; and if Afghanistan is not somewhat cleared up by 2012, Obama will have to explain why his surge strategy there failed. So, as of next year, Obama will be staring at a bad economy, bad war situation, high inflation, and annual $1.6T deficits going into November.

Im not saying its gonna be an easy win doug x i would never say that. Your right depends on what the economy is doing and the republicans need to run someone who’s not completely insane.

“…the damage to the U.S.-Israel relationship may already be done.

Michael Goldfarb, a Republican consultant with Orion Strategies who is an adviser to the Emergency Committee for Israel, a group that has attacked Mr. Obama’s record on Israel, said, “The White House has to be furious.”

He added, “Here they were clearly hoping to soothe the concerns of Jewish donors in the Democratic Party. It turned into a disaster, maybe the worst confrontation this administration has had to date with Israel. If Obama gets re-elected, there will be a price for Israel, these guys hold a grudge.” <t-

"…these guys hold a grudge.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/22/obamas-speech-doesnt-sway-some-key-donors/

“Dear President Obama:

I am writing today with a somewhat unusual request. Actually, it is a series of requests. First and foremost, I will be asking that you return America to its August 20th, 1959 borders so that Hawaii is no longer a state and you are no longer a citizen. I make this request because I don’t like your policies and I don’t like you. If I sound like I’m asking for too much just be patient. I’m only getting started.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2011/05/23/time_for_america_to_roll_back_its_borders

qeedwww said:
hat

What kind of hat ?

jor dan or ed har dy ?

The Lantern of Truth said:
“Dear President Obama:

I am writing today with a somewhat unusual request. Actually, it is a series of requests. First and foremost, I will be asking that you return America to its August 20th, 1959 borders so that Hawaii is no longer a state and you are no longer a citizen. I make this request because I don’t like your policies and I don’t like you. If I sound like I’m asking for too much just be patient. I’m only getting started.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2011/05/23/time_for_america_to_roll_back_its_borders

Someone didn’t get the memo about the demise of the Birther.

The Lantern of Truth said:
“Dear President Obama:

I am writing today with a somewhat unusual request. Actually, it is a series of requests. First and foremost, I will be asking that you return America to its August 20th, 1959 borders so that Hawaii is no longer a state and you are no longer a citizen. I make this request because I don’t like your policies and I don’t like you. If I sound like I’m asking for too much just be patient. I’m only getting started.”

Am not sure if your phony-self wants to give away the Marine corps based in Hawaii away, the Navy, Organization/companies and Dog the bounty hunter.

JasonMays said:
Nice backtrack “speech” by the food stamp president.

I love how his mindless worshippers praised what he initially said, because he was “just telling the hard truth” or “only doing what Bush and other presidents have done”

Then he gets worked like a punching bag by Netanyahu, completely backs off because the all the Jewish people start pissing and moaning and threatening to cut off donations, and they praise that too.

Basically democrats will take any position as long as Barry takes it first. He could announce tomorrow that he’s pro-life, and most of his supporters would start condemning any chick who gets an abortion. Sheep need someone to herd them.

Exactly. Dims are obeying commandment #7 from the 10 Commandments in the Democrat Playbook:

“7. Never take sides against the Democrat Party leadership. Stand with your party NO MATTER WHAT. Always discourage the voters from considering the consequences of Democrat proposed legislation, and instead appeal to their stronger emotional urges. Remember to stir hatred, envy, and the divisiveness of class warfare, and you will “own” your voter base forever. Party first, country…….never. There is NO time this will not apply.”

There is no post made here by any Dims that don’t fall into one or more of the “10 Commandments in the Democrat Playbook.” Consciously (rare for a Dim) or not, Dims cannot act apart from those commandments.

insideguy said:
Maybe cause Mccain stood up on the floor of the Senate and said it was all bullsh#t. It shut them down bigtime.

John McCain’s misleading speech
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/john-mccains-misleading-speech/2011/05/16/AFirJy4G_story.html

The Waterboarding Trail to bin Laden
Former CIA Director Michael Hayden said that as late as 2006 fully half of the government’s knowledge about the structure and activities of al Qaeda came from harsh interrogations.
By MICHAEL B. MUKASEY

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703859304576305023876506348.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

The uncomfortable truth for rightist reactionaries in America is that American Jews have long understood that “Jew” and “Israeli” are not synonymous. Another uncomfortable truth for rightist reactionaries is that neither Jews nor Israelis are particularly comfortable with American Christian fundamentalists who embrace Israel with one hand whilst clobbering Jews and Israelis on the head with the Gospel with the other hand.

Rio said:
John McCain’s misleading speech
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/john-mccains-misleading-speech/2011/05/16/AFirJy4G_story.html

The Waterboarding Trail to bin Laden
Former CIA Director Michael Hayden said that as late as 2006 fully half of the government’s knowledge about the structure and activities of al Qaeda came from harsh interrogations.
By MICHAEL B. MUKASEY

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703859304576305023876506348.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Is there some reason we believe Hayden to be reliable? After all, he has always been a huge proponent of American torture. I rather think his argument is like unto a Cub Scout arguing that the most nutritious meal for a growing boy is an ice cream sundae.

skyfet said:
Am not sure if your phony-self wants to give away the Marine corps based in Hawaii away, the Navy, Organization/companies and Dog the bounty hunter.

How’s the weather is skyfetland today ?

Does Dog the Bounty Hunter ever work undercover ?

Does Dog own a mirror ? I’m going to say no .

The Lantern of Truth said:
How’s the weather is skyfetland today ?

Does Dog the Bounty Hunter ever work undercover ?

Does Dog own a mirror ? I’m going to say no .

You can remove yourself from the country, I think a lot will appreciate The Dog more than ya.

insideguy said:
Across the USA during vietnam which he avoided like the plague.

Oh, really:

BUSH’S HONORABLE AIR NATIONAL GUARD SERVICE
Private Email | SEPTEMBER 15, 2004 | COLONEL JOHN WAMBOUGH USAF (Ret)

Neither Lt. Bush nor I had control over mission assignment, where we would be deployed or how the service would task the units we were assigned. Lt. Bush would have gladly gone to Vietnam or anywhere else his unit was deployed — but the reality was that young Lt. Bush had no say as to how his unit would be utilized to support our country’s National Security interests. I guess you could say such decisions were above our pay grade. Lt. Bush’s mission, as a squadron fighter interceptor pilot, was to intercept and destroy enemy aircraft inbound to the United States; for example, Soviet Nuclear Bombers. Remember, we were still in the Cold War in the 1970s with Air Defense a high priority mission. Today our Air Defense forces protect us against aircraft with terrorists onboard.

I can say from my experience that flying operational fighter jets is highly dangerous. People don’t strap fighter jets to their backside if they are overly concerned for their future. While in F-105 training at McConnell AFB in early 1968, we lost five aircraft in six weeks (one aircraft crashed in air-to-air combat training; one aircraft crashed on the air-to-ground gunnery range; one crashed on take off; one crashed on final approach at a nearby airfield; and one crashed coming back from a cross-country mission). My nephew was killed while flying a Marine Corp EA-6B Prowler during a low level state-side training mission. I was in a flight where an F-105 pilot was killed while we were training on an air-ground gunnery range. Also, I’ve been in F -105 and F-111 operational units where a number of pilots were killed while training for their war time mission. We got really good at flying “Missing Man Formations” and doing memorial services for our fallen comrades and their families. I can assure you that Lt. Bush was continuously exposed to similar dangers during all weather scrambles and during training exercises as evidenced by the F-102 pilots killed in his unit.

Cowards (or people who lack courage) don’t take on the risks that Lt. Bush did in flying Fighter Interceptor Aircraft. Flying jets in wing formation in the weather and carrying explosive ordnance on board is dangerous work. The pilots in these squadrons (including Lt. Bush) did what their country asked them to do. They performed their assigned mission and did it well. In November 1970, the Commander of the Texas Air National Guard, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, called Mr. Bush, then 24, “a dynamic outstanding young officer” who stood out as “a top-notch fighter interceptor pilot.” “Lt. Bush’s skills far exceed his contemporaries,” Colonel Killian wrote: “He is a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership. Lt. Bush is also a good follower with outstanding disciplinary traits and an impeccable military bearing.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1216936/posts

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
The uncomfortable truth for rightist reactionaries in America is that American Jews have long understood that “Jew” and “Israeli” are not synonymous. Another uncomfortable truth for rightist reactionaries is that neither Jews nor Israelis are particularly comfortable with American Christian fundamentalists who embrace Israel with one hand whilst clobbering Jews and Israelis on the head with the Gospel with the other hand.

Using them as pawns, for when the Messiah comes, that’s the main purpose. After that, they planned to show their true feelings. Some Israelis have finally woken up to that, and are wary of the phony support coming from them.

skyfet said:
You can remove yourself from the country, I think a lot will appreciate The Dog more than ya.

DEPORTED BY SKYFET !!!!

OH , THE SHAME !!!! Ahhhhhhhh

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
The uncomfortable truth for rightist reactionaries in America is that American Jews have long understood that “Jew” and “Israeli” are not synonymous. Another uncomfortable truth for rightist reactionaries is that neither Jews nor Israelis are particularly comfortable with American Christian fundamentalists who embrace Israel with one hand whilst clobbering Jews and Israelis on the head with the Gospel with the other hand.

That’s ‘wishful thinking,’ King. You cannot separate Jews from Israel culturally or religiously. What “clobbering” of Jews by Christians measures up to the pro-Arab/anti-Semetic stance anti-American Democrats have taken since the end of WWII? None.

However, Christians have always stood in support of Israel and the Jews as the people God chose to reveal Himself to, just as we stand against Hussein and the Arabs’ current assault against Jewish land given to them by Almighty God. And that’s the primary reason anti-American Liberals fear the Jewish state.

But if you need to think of belief in Christ as “clobbering” Jews in order to make yourself feel valid, go ahead……………but it doesn’t change reality.

skyfet said:
Using them as pawns, for when the Messiah comes, that’s the main purpose. After that, they planned to show their true feelings. Some Israelis have finally woken up to that, and are wary of the phony support coming from them.

So in your opinion, after what barack said last week, before he un said it yesterday the American Jew and the Israeli on the street favor Obama and islam over ” real ” America and Christianity?

And We Conservatives are supposedly the dumb ones.

Davo said:
That’s ‘wishful thinking,’ King. You cannot separate Jews from Israel culturally or religiously. What “clobbering” of Jews by Christians measures up to the pro-Arab/anti-Semetic stance anti-American Democrats have taken since the end of WWII? None.

However, Christians have always stood in support of Israel and the Jews as the people God chose to reveal Himself to, just as we stand against Hussein and the Arabs’ current assault against Jewish land given to them by Almighty God. And that’s the primary reason anti-American Liberals fear the Jewish state.

But if you need to think of belief in Christ as “clobbering” Jews in order to make yourself feel valid, go ahead……………but it doesn’t change reality.

Poppycock! And, what a banal treatise coming from you.

You’re one of the few rightist reactionaries who can be counted on reasoning through such matters.

To say that you can’t separate (American) Jews from Israel is to say that American Jews are less than fully American. That their allegiances are split. I don’t think that you intended to slander American Jews, but that is what you just did. And, I can’t allow that stand. The great liberal (classic and contemporary) traditions of the Anglo-American experience have been defined in significant part by Jews. Like most parties in that experience, there are other influences as well. The modern Israeli influence is one. But, there is also a point of departure in which American Jews are Americans, much like Mexican-Americans are Americans and Roman Catholics are Americans.

As for Christians always supporting Israel and the Jews, where have you been the last 2011 years, the last 235 years of of the American Experience? In the Catholic church alone, we prayed each Good Friday for the “perfidious Jews”. Lutherans have a long history of Jewish antipathy. The fundamentalists and their KKK brothers were rabidly anti-Semitic until recently. Even now, the fundamentalists are supportive of Israel, but of Jews, not so much.

You may deny history all you want, to your own loss, but don’t imply that those of us who understand history and embrace it, in all its wonder, in all its ugliness, have some agenda other than defining what we have been, who we are and what we will become, you pernicious pischer.

Barack Must Go said:
So in your opinion, after what barack said last week, before he un said it yesterday the American Jew and the Israeli on the street favor Obama and islam over ” real ” America and Christianity? And We Conservatives are supposedly the dumb ones.

The president didn’t “un-say” anything but he obviously had to explain it to some people who jumped in without thinking about their own words or understanding his.

However, the Jewish people understand that the right wing Christians support the Jewish and Israel, but they believe that Jews have to accept Jesus as their Savior before they can be saved. So they really don’t support the Jewish faith- they want to convert them. Kind of defeats the purpose doesn’t it?

MTinMO said:
The president didn’t “un-say” anything but he obviously had to explain it to some people who jumped in without thinking about their own words or understanding his.

However, the Jewish people understand that the right wing Christians support the Jewish and Israel, but they believe that Jews have to accept Jesus as their Savior before they can be saved. So they really don’t support the Jewish faith- they want to convert them. Kind of defeats the purpose doesn’t it?

This jackass has to explain everything he has said since the first day he began freeloading in our White House.

The only difference this job was, up until recently, relegated to his ” Death to America ” co conspititors in the MSM.

As of late Obama’s anti – America and her most trusted allies rhetoric has become so enflamed and self incriminating even these liberal bomb throwers have begun to shun him as the self serving pariah he truly is.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
After all, he has always been a huge proponent of American torture

Call it what you want, at the time, it was legal, it saved lives and eventually………led to OBL.

Immediately following the killing of bin Laden, the issue of interrogation techniques became in some quarters the “dirty little secret” of the event. But as disclosed in the declassified memos in 2009, the techniques are neither dirty nor, as noted by Director Hayden and others, were their results little. As the memoranda concluded—and as I concluded reading them at the beginning of my tenure as attorney general in 2007—the techniques were entirely lawful as the law stood at the time the memos were written, and the disclosures they elicited were enormously important. That they are no longer secret is deeply regrettable.

It is debatable whether the same techniques would be lawful under statutes passed in 2005 and 2006—phrased in highly abstract terms such as “cruel, inhuman and degrading” treatment—that some claimed were intended to ban waterboarding even though the Senate twice voted down proposals to ban the technique specifically.

The Obama kind, gentle, loving way, Feel safe, sleep well knowing killers at war with America will be afforded their Miranda rights. That it is no longer necessary to gain information that thwarts attacks, protects lives of our military personnel and the citizens of this country because the killers at large will remain silent upon capture. Might just as well put a bullet through their brains, eh? The Obama Doctrine.

“…..the administration announced its intentions to replace the CIA interrogation program with one administered by the FBI. In December 2009, Omar Faruq Abdulmutallab was caught in an airplane over Detroit trying to detonate a bomb concealed in his underwear. He was warned after apprehension of his Miranda rights, and it was later disclosed that no one had yet gotten around to implementing the new program.

Rio said:
THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
After all, he has always been a huge proponent of American torture

Call it what you want, at the time, it was legal, it saved lives and eventually………led to OBL.

You’re easily persuaded, yet you offer no proof other than apocryphal accounts of proponents of American torture. You’re not going to be able to find anything else. Much like proponents of state murder. After 2000 years of Western civilization, conjecture and anecdote remain the entire “substance” of their argument.

Rio said:
The Obama kind, gentle, loving way, Feel safe, sleep well knowing killers at war with America will be afforded their Miranda rights.

And each and every one of the accused has sung like a bird once he was “Mirandized”.

Do you have any substantive arguments to offer?

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
As for Christians always supporting Israel and the Jews, where have you been the last 2011 years, the last 235 years of of the American Experience? In the Catholic church alone, we prayed each Good Friday for the “perfidious Jews”. Lutherans have a long history of Jewish antipathy. The fundamentalists and their KKK brothers were rabidly anti-Semitic until recently. Even now, the fundamentalists are supportive of Israel, but of Jews, not so much.

Cummon. King………even you should recognize your flimsy position if you must embellish and exaggerate reality to support your claim.

First of all, I never said America Jews weren’t Americans first…………..I said you cannot separate Jews CULTURALLY or RELIGIOUSLY from Israel. They are, in fact, an ethnic entity, just like everyone else in America. Anti-American Democrats are the ones contiunally endeavoring to divide Americans through class envy, class warfare, and racism…………….all in lieu of having rational and logical reasons for solicitation of votes.

Secondly, are you really desperate enough here to lump the KKk and Christian “fundamentalists” together, as well as exemplifying prayer for Jews in lame support for your term, “clobbering?”

Give it up, RRK, I don’t think this is an argument you really want to be in.

Barack Must Go said:
So in your opinion, after what barack said last week, before he un said it yesterday the American Jew and the Israeli on the street favor Obama and islam over ” real ” America and Christianity?

And We Conservatives are supposedly the dumb ones.

Un said is only in your head. So you and your cousins in the fundamentalist church do support Judaism? That’s new to me. Let me bust your bubble, do you know amongst the Jews there are some who call themselves Atheists? I don”t think you are aware of that. So in the end you don’t really support the people,nor the religion, you don’t even have an idea what the state and the people are about.

MTinMO said:
The president didn’t “un-say” anything but he obviously had to explain it to some people who jumped in without thinking about their own words or understanding his. However, the Jewish people understand that the right wing Christians support the Jewish and Israel, but they believe that Jews have to accept Jesus as their Savior before they can be saved. So they really don’t support the Jewish faith- they want to convert them. Kind of defeats the purpose doesn’t it?

Holy crap, what an idot.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
apocryphal accounts

Nothing doubtful about it, the memos have been released that support the facts being offered by…..Hayden, Mukasey and others, believe what you will and then there are those stubborn facts that do not support your beliefs.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
And each and every one of the accused has sung like a bird once he was “Mirandized”.

The underwear bomber was mirandized because he…. stopped….. talking, the Times Square bomber was questioned under the public safety exception. Neither compares to the three that underwent waterboarding, they…… were not…….talking, they sang like birds after their bath.

Thousands have gone through interrogation and sang like birds, less than 100 required a form of enhanced interrogation.

insideguy said:
list of attempted attacks

Speaking of lists:

http://www.adl.org/Israel/israel_thwarted_attacks.asp

Abbass is the issue here. When he goes to war with and eradicates Hamas from being part of the government then maybe Israel can take any offers from any clowns, American or Palestinian, serious. Untill then, in all practicality, Israel actualy has the right to turn sand to glass as far as any mortars or rockets can reach.

Mort Zuckerman: For First Time Since Their State’s Founding Israelis Feel Americans Aren’t Behind Them

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/05/22/mort-zuckerman-first-time-their-states-founding-israelis-feel-america#ixzz1NBLFN03k

skyfet said:
Using them as pawns, for when the Messiah comes, that’s the main purpose. After that, they planned to show their true feelings. Some Israelis have finally woken up to that, and are wary of the phony support coming from them.

Wow. That’s amazing, skyfet. Those sneaky Christians, just waiting for Jesus to come back so they can say “Neener, neener.” to the silly Jews. And in the meantime, they’re using them as pawns by defending them against people who’d like to wipe them all out. It’s diabolical, I tell ya!

Rio said:
THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
apocryphal accounts

Nothing doubtful about it, the memos have been released that support the facts being offered by…..Hayden, Mukasey and others, believe what you will and then there are those stubborn facts that do not support your beliefs.

You’re not terribly astute, are you? Memos by Hayden and Mukasey that back up what Hayden and Mukasey say? How novel! Maybe Timothy McVeigh should write such a memo and get out of prison.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Mort Zuckerman: For First Time Since Their State’s Founding Israelis Feel Americans Aren’t Behind Them

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/05/22/mort-zuckerman-first-time-their-states-founding-israelis-feel-america#ixzz1NBLFN03k

And? What’s you point? Why would you give us an citation to support an argument you haven’t made?

To paraphrase a line from The Village, there are some anti-Semites of whom we do not speak.

We send huge amounts of aid to Israel each year. Billions, perhaps trillions of US Dollars since Israel’s founding, and US $3.1 Billion this year alone. This at a time when Republican governors across America are firing public school teachers at an alarming rate. Indeed, aid was increased this year. Why should this continue? Israel has a strong, vibrant economy.

I view Israel as an important ally, but why do we have to have an “all or nothing” approach? Shouldn’t we be taking a more Euro-Centric approach? That Israel is one of several allies in the region? Especially in light of our new austerity? Why should American school children suffer?

And Obama has nothing to do with it.

The rightist reactionaries in the US who have no problem cutting health care for the elderly or giving our children a substandard education all in the name of balancing the budgeting remind me of the story perhaps wrongfully attributed to Churchill and wrongfully attributed to Shaw:

A certain gentleman inquired of a lady whether she would be willing to sleep with him for 50,000 pounds. After some hesitation, the lady replied that she supposed she would, in consideration of the magnitude of the offer. Then he asked whether she would sleep with him for twopence.

“Certainly not,” she responded with indignation. “Just what kind of lady do you think I am?”

“Madam, I believe we have already established that,” he remarked calmly. “Now we are just haggling over the price.”

In other words, for all of you rightist reactionaries, the fiscal issues are unimportant. It’s simply rightist reactionary social engineering.

writer said:
And Obama has nothing to do with it.

Wrong again, WrLter. He most assuredly perpetuated the wrong-headed policy.

Who is in charge?

He most assuredly perpetuated the wrong-headed policy.

My mistake, King. It seemed like you were only blaming right wingers for everything.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
We send huge amounts of aid to Israel each year. Billions, perhaps trillions of US Dollars since Israel’s founding, and US $3.1 Billion this year alone. This at a time when Republican governors across America are firing public school teachers at an alarming rate.

Israel is our ONLY ally in the Middle East, and our ethical as well as self-interest responsibility to support.

Democrat school teachers, Democrat unions, and Democrat politicians have destroyed our education system and need to be removed from the taxpayers’ burden. Ker-Floosh is the proper disposal of human waste, and Democrats have turned our education system into just that kind of waste.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
The rightist reactionaries in the US who have no problem cutting health care for the elderly or giving our children a substandard education all in the name of balancing the budgeting ………………………

Whew, are YOU brainwashed. Thankfully, our founders weren’t, and realized that government must be small to be effective, and NOT the answer to everyone’s dreams. The elderly and our education system are far too important to be left to their demise in the hands of politicians and government workers.

No matter how long I live, I’ll never understand how “results” remain so elusive to you Dims, King.

The King went to private schools, which is the kindest thing he could have done for the public school system.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
We send huge amounts of aid to Israel each year. Billions, perhaps trillions of US Dollars since Israel’s founding, and US $3.1 Billion this year alone. This at a time when Republican governors across America are firing public school teachers at an alarming rate. Indeed, aid was increased this year. Why should this continue? Israel has a strong, vibrant economy. I view Israel as an important ally, but why do we have to have an “all or nothing” approach? Shouldn’t we be taking a more Euro-Centric approach? That Israel is one of several allies in the region? Especially in light of our new austerity? Why should American school children suffer?

Israel is a great and important ally, surrounded by many more people that would like it destroyed. I’m all for cutting all funds to ALL others while we deal with our fiscal issues. But untill you show concern with cancelling Egypts dept, the money to Brazil, money spent on our useless actions in Lybia and many other absurd spendings, your whining about funds to Israel is very ignorable.

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It’s amazing how in both last Friday’s speecch and yesterday’s speech, Obama called for a “contiguous” palestinian state, and no one, not even the Israelis, are picking up on it.

A contiguous palestinian state, by definition, would mean that Gaza and the West Bank would be one single territory, linked together.

And that could only be done by cutting Israel in half.

“speech”. Excuse the typo.

They shouldn’t fight. They have so much in common. For example, both AIPAC and Obama believe in open borders and multiculturalism for the US and Europe, and a walled ethnostate for Israel.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
You’re not terribly astute, are you? Memos by Hayden and Mukasey that back up what Hayden and Mukasey say?

That’s quite an ignorant statement following your critique on how astute I am.

So, you think CIA Director Hayden and Attorney General Mukasey wrote memos dating back to the beginning years of the WOT? Or, was it Ashcroft, Gonzales, Tenet or Goss that penned those memos?

What years did the enhanced interrogations occur? Mystery, mystery, who penned the memos?

I’m acturally perusing the copies of the released memos right now, the answer is…..none of the above.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Shouldn’t we be taking a more Euro-Centric approach?
___________________________________________

That statement makes no sense. Turkey has turned against Israel, and isn’t particularly friendly with us, either, these days. Greece has a history as the most anti-american NATO ally.

Israel is not part of Europe, and unlike with our european allies, Israel stands alone, without any neighboring, or even regional, allies.

Are you trying to say that we should adopt more of a European attitude toward Israel?

In Europe that is driven by centuries old and world-famous anti-semitism, which the europeans have shown no desire to let go of, despite the holocaust. It seems to have become part of their DNA.

Obimbo clarified nothing, he simply reiterated his original statement and prefaced it with some butt-kissing. This idiot can kiss the Jewish vote goodbye!

skyfet said:
Un said is only in your head. So you and your cousins in the fundamentalist church do support Judaism? That’s new to me. Let me bust your bubble, do you know amongst the Jews there are some who call themselves Atheists? I don”t think you are aware of that. So in the end you don’t really support the people,nor the religion, you don’t even have an idea what the state and the people are about.

Oh,,,,,,snap! That’s the only response to jive I could think of……sorry.

glenn113 said:
Please defend W. for sending 5,000 of our troops to their death for invading the wrong country which had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 ? Say what son? Can’t hear you. Nice try anyway.

LOL

That’s easy son. He got Congressional approval to do so!

Unlike Barry for what he is now doing in Libya.

Explain that, dough-boy!

insideguy said:
you guys crack me up I do have access to the internet you know maybe you should try it heres a list of attempted attacks on the USA under Geroge Bushs watch when according to notsofast he was unable to do anything except under Obama.

Thwarted Attacks
Richard Reid, December 2001
A British citizen and self-professed follower of Osama bin Laden, Reid allegedly hid explosives inside his shoes aboard a flight from Paris to Miami and attempted to use a match to light the fuse in his shoe. The explosives were strong enough to cause damage to the plane if detonated. Caught in the act, Reid was apprehended on board the plane by the flight attendants with the assistance of passengers. FBI officials then took Reid into custody after the plane made an emergency landing at Boston’s Logan Airport.[2]
Reid was found guilty of charges of terrorism in 2003, and a U.S. federal court sentenced him to life imprisonment.[3]
Jose Padilla, May 2002
U.S. officials arrested Padilla in May 2002 at O’Hare Airport in Chicago as he returned to the United States from Pakistan, initially charging him with being an enemy combatant and planning to use a “dirty bomb” (an explosive laced with radioactive material) in an attack against America.[4] Prior to his conviction, Padilla brought a case against the federal government stating that he had been denied the right of habeas corpus (the right of an individual to petition against his or her imprisonment). The U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, found that the case had been filed improperly.[5] In 2005, the government officially indicted Padilla for conspiring with Islamic terrorist groups.[6]
In August 2007, Padilla was found guilty by a civilian jury after a three-month trial and a day and a half of deliberations.
Lackawanna Six, September 2002
When the FBI arrested Sahim Alwan, Yahya Goba, Yasein Taher, Faysal Galab, Shafal Mosed, and Mukhtar al-Bakri, the press dubbed them the “Lackawanna Six” (also the “Buffalo Six” or “Buffalo Cell”). Five of the six had been born and raised in Lackawanna, New York.[7] The six American citizens of Yemeni descent were arrested for conspiring with terrorist groups. They had stated that they were going to Pakistan to attend a religious training camp but instead attended an al-Qaeda “jihadist” camp.
All six pled guilty in 2003 to providing support to al-Qaeda. Faysal Galab received a seven-year sentence. Sahim Alwan got seven and a half years, while Yesein Taher and Shafal Mosed both received eight-year prison sentences. Mukhtar al-Bakri, the first to plead guilty, received a 10-year sentence, as did Yahya Goba.[8]
Iyman Faris, May 2003
A naturalized U.S. citizen originally from Kashmir and living in Columbus, Ohio, Iyman Faris was arrested for conspiring to commit a terrorist act. He was suspected of planning to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.[9] The New York City Police Department had learned about the plot and increased police surveillance around the bridge. Faced with this additional security, Faris and his superiors decided to cancel the attack.[10]
Faris pled guilty to conspiracy and providing material support to al-Qaeda. During his sentencing trial, he stated that he was innocent and had admitted a role in the plot to FBI agents only in order to trick the agents and secure a book deal. Faris was sentenced in Federal District Court to 20 years, the maximum allowed under his plea agreement.[11]
Virginia “Jihad” Network, June 2003
In Alexandria, Virginia, 11 men were arrested for weapons counts and for violating the Neutrality Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens and residents from attacking countries with which the United States is at peace. Of these 11 men, four pled guilty. Upon further investigation, the other seven members of the group were indicted on additional charges of conspiring to support terrorist organizations. They were found to have connections with al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Lashkar-i-Taiba, a terrorist organization that targets the Indian government.[12] The authorities stated that the Virginia men had used paintball games as a form of training and preparation for battle.[13] The group had also acquired surveillance and night vision equipment and wireless video cameras.[14]
The spiritual leader of the group, Ali al-Timimi, was found guilty of soliciting individuals to assault the United States and was sentenced to life in prison. Ali Asad Chandia received 15 years for supporting Lashkar-i-Taiba but maintains his innocence.[15] Randoll Todd Royer, Ibrahim al-Hamdi, Yong Ki Kwon, Khwaja Mahmoud Hasan, Muhammed Aatique, and Donald T. Surratt all pled guilty and were sentenced to prison terms.[16] Masoud Khan, Seifullah Chapman, and Hammad Adur-Raheem were found guilty at trial.[17]
Dhiren Barot, August 2004
A terrorist cell under the leadership of Dhiren Barot was arrested for plotting to attack the New York Stock Exchange and other financial institutions in New York, Washington, and Newark, New Jersey, and later accused of planning attacks in England. The plots included a “memorable black day of terror” with the employment of a “dirty bomb.”[18] A July 2004 police raid on Barot’s house in Pakistan discovered a number of incriminating documents in files on a laptop computer that included instructions for building car bombs.[19]
Dhiren Barot pled guilty and was convicted in the United Kingdom for conspiracy to commit mass murder and sentenced to 40 years.[20]

James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj, August 2004
James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj were arrested for plotting to bomb a subway station near Madison Square Garden in New York City before the Republican National Convention.[21] The New York City Police Departments intelligence Division helped to conduct an investigation leading to the arrests. An undercover agent infiltrated the group, provided information to authorities, and later testified against Elshafay and Siraj.[22]
Elshafay, a U.S. citizen, pled guilty and received a lighter sentence for testifying against his co-conspirator. He received five years. Shawhawar Matin Siraj was sentenced to 30 years in prison.[23]
Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain, August 2004
Two leaders of an Albany, New York, mosque were charged with plotting to purchase a shoulder-fired grenade launcher to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat.[24] An investigation by the FBI, the Treasury Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and the local police contributed to the arrest. With the help of an informant, the FBI was able to set up a sting that lured Mohammed Hossain into a fake terrorist conspiracy.[25] Hossain brought Yassin Araf, a Kurdish refugee, as a witness. The informant offered details of a fake terrorist plot, claiming that he needed the missiles to murder a Pakistani diplomat in New York City. Both agreed to help.[26]
Both Aref and Hossain were found guilty of money laundering and conspiracy to conceal material support for terrorism.
Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat, June 2005
In Lodi, California, Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat, a Pakistani immigrant and his American son, were arrested after allegedly lying to the FBI about the son’s attendance at an Islamic terrorist training camp in Pakistan.
The son, Hamid Hayat, was found guilty of supporting terrorism and was sentenced to 24 years.[27] Umer Hayat’s trial ended in a mistrial. He later pled guilty to lying to a Customs agent in his attempt to carry $28,000 into Pakistan.
Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson, Hammad Riaz Samana, and Kevin James, August 2005
Arrested in Los Angeles, California, the members of the group were charged with conspiring to attack Los Angeles National Guard facilities, synagogues, and other targets in the Orange County area.[28] Kevin James allegedly founded a radical Islamic prison group and converted Levar Washington and others to the group, which was known as JIS, short for Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh.[29] The JIS allegedly planned to finance their operations by robbing gas stations. After Washington and Patterson were arrested for robberies, police and federal agents began a terrorist investigation when a search of Washington’s apartment revealed a suspicious target list.[30]
All of the defendants pled not guilty and currently await trial.
Michael C. Reynolds, December 5, 2005
Michael C. Reynolds was arrested by the FBI and charged with being involved in a plot to blow up a Wyoming natural gas refinery; the Transcontinental Pipeline, a natural-gas pipeline stretching from the Gulf Coast to New York and New Jersey; and a New Jersey Standard Oil refinery.[31] He was arrested while trying to pick up the $40,000 owed to him for planning the attack.[32] His purported contact, Shannen Rossmiller, was a Montana judge who was working with the FBI.[33] The FBI later found explosives in a locker in his home town, Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania.[34] Reynolds claimed that he was working as a private citizen to find terrorists.[35]
Reynolds was convicted of providing material support to terrorists, soliciting a crime of violence, unlawful distribution of explosives, and unlawful possession of a hand grenade and sentenced to 30 years in prison.[36]
Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi, Zand Wassim Mazloum, February 2006
In Toledo, Ohio, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi, and Wassim Mazloum were arrested for “conspiring to kill or injure people in the Middle East” and providing material support to terrorist organizations. They allegedly intended to build bombs to be used in Iraq.[37] The investigation was begun through the help of an informant who was approached to help train the group.[38]
All defendants have pled not guilty.
Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee, April 2006
Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee from Atlanta, Georgia, were accused of conspiracy, having discussed terrorist targets with alleged terrorist organizations.[39] They allegedly met with Islamic extremists and received training and instruction in how to gather videotape surveillance of potential targets in the Washington area. They videotaped places such as the U.S. Capitol and the World Bank headquarters as potential targets and sent the videos to a London extremist group.[40]
They were indicted for providing material support to terrorist organizations and have pled not guilty.
Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine, June 2006
Seven men were arrested in Miami and Atlanta for allegedly being in the early stages of a plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago, as well as the FBI offices and other buildings. The arrests resulted from an investigation involving an FBI informant. It is alleged that Narsearl Batiste was the leader of the group and first suggested attacking the Sears Tower in December 2005.[41]
All individuals have pled not guilty and are awaiting trial.
Assem Hammoud, July 2006
Conducting on-line surveillance of chat rooms, the FBI discovered a plot to attack underground transit links with New Jersey.[42] Eight suspects, including Assem Hammoud, an al-Qaeda loyalist living inLebanon, were arrested for plotting to bomb the New York City train tunnels.[43] Hammoud was a self-proclaimed operative for al-Qaeda and admitted to the plot.[44] He is currently in custody in Lebanon, and his case is pending. Two other suspects are in custody in other locations, and investigators continue to hunt down the other five suspects.
Liquid Explosives Plot, August 2006
British law enforcement was able to stop a terrorist plot to load 10 commercial airliners headed to the United States with liquid explosives.[45] The areas said to be targeted were New York, Washington, D.C., and California.[46] Approximately 24 British persons were arrested in the London area. The style of the plot has raised speculation that al-Qaeda was behind it, but no concrete evidence has proven this.
The United Kingdom has charged 15 of the 24 arrested individuals, and trials are expected to begin in 2008.[47] The charges vary from conspiring to commit murder to planning to commit terrorist acts.[48]
Fort Dix Plot, May 2007
Six men were arrested in a plot against Fort Dix, a U.S. Army base in New Jersey. The plan included attacking and killing soldiers using assault rifles and grenades.[49] Five of the alleged conspirators had conducted training missions in the nearby Pocono Mountains. The sixth helped to obtain weapons. The arrests were made after a 16-month FBI operation that included infiltrating the group. The investigation began after a store clerk alerted authorities when he discovered a video file of the group firing weapons and calling for “jihad.” As far as is known, the group had no direct connections to any world terrorist organization.[50]
Five of the defendants have been charged with conspiracy to kill military personnel. The sixth is facing weapons charges.
JFK Plot, June 2007
Four men plotted to blow up a jet fuel artery that runs through residential neighborhoods at the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City. It is alleged that they believed this would create more destruction than September 11. Authorities stated that the attack would have caused major damage.[51]
Russell Defreitas, the leader of the group was arrested in Brooklyn. One of the men was a former airport worker, and two other individuals had links to Islamic extremists in South America and the Caribbean.[52] Two others, Abdul Kadir and Kareem Ibrahim, are being held in Trinidad. Kadir was an imam in Guyana, former member of parliament, and mayor of the town of Linden, Guyana. Ibrahim is a Trinidadian citizen. The fourth suspect-Abdel Nur, a Guyanese citizen-remains at large.[53]
Cases are pending.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, March 2007
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, captured in 2003, is alleged to have been involved in a number of terrorist plots and is among the most senior of Osama bin Laden’s operatives to have been captured. He is currently held at the U.S. military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. Mohammed admitted in March 2007 to helping to plan, organize, and run the September 11 attacks and also claimed responsibility for the first bombing at the World Trade Center and the bombings of nightclubs in Bali in 2002 and a Kenyan hotel. He has stated that he decapitated American journalist Daniel Pearl and took responsibility for helping to plan the failed attack by Richard Reid, along with plots at Heathrow Airport, Canary Wharf, and Big Ben, as well as targets in Israel and the Panama Canal. He also helped to develop plots surrounding Los Angeles, Chicago, and the Empire State Building as well as U.S. nuclear power stations. He also had plotted to assassinate Pope John Paul II and former President Bill Clinton.”
The U.S. government intends to try him before a military commission authorized by Congress.
Staying Vigilant

Son, how many people were killed in the USA because of those attempts?

Zero, 0, nada, nip!

How many killed while Barry on watch?

13 at Ft. Hood- and what did Barry say? Barry said he was a lone wolf just like he said the Xmas-day bomber was and those were lies , son!

insideguy said:
felixw says:
May 22, 2011 at 8:35 pm (Quote)
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Obama says on May 19: “The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines”

Obama says on May 22 “The parties themselves – Israelis and Palestinians – will negotiate a border that is different than the one that existed on June 4, 1967″

That kind of firm, clear leadership and consistency must be deeply appreciated by the U.S.’s allies.

Yea its called diplomacy my friend unlike your guy who wouldn’t know hat the word meant if it hit him in the head attached to a sledgehammer.

LOL

No son, it’s called naivete and ignorance and you swim in them.

not my point notsofast. Guess it went over your head you said serious attempts i consider those serious and you right 13 got killed at fort hood. No sure you could connect that to Osama bin laden but go ahead I don’t care. When did the biggest terrorist attack happen? Oh yea 3000 dead on sept 11 on your presidents watch.