I can’t blame O’Donnell for his outburst. These Bush apologists continue to come on television in order to distort the truth about the Bush administration for either political gain, or to re-write history in their favor. It is disgusting.

P.S.
Sara from Vatican City has made an announcement at the Koldys Klucks Klub that she will no longer be posting here. Yipee!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay folks… here are the rules for the comments:

1) Remember this was on MSNBC, so it was okay.
2) It was a Liberal yelling, so it’s not a sign of instability, frustration, rudeness, or anything but righteous anger.
3) If it was on FNC, it would be bad… but it’s wasn’t. Remember that.
4) Scaraborough dumped O’Donnell because Thiessen “couldn’t handle it.” That may not be the truth, and there is a reasonable expectation that a guest not start shouting and screaming… but that doesn’t fit the spin.
5) Thiessen work with/for Bush, that immediately makes him a bad guy. Bring up Bush, CIA, and anything else to attack him… no matter the relevance, or the hypocrisy there within.

Remember folks… it’s not about honesty or ethics… it’s just political blather. Ready lefties… I’ve given you the talking points. Set… go!

Your comment would have been more timely if it had been the first one posted.

O’Donnell is an idiot. …just a freakin bad as Olby and Beck…get ‘em all off…****!

same2u says:
February 12, 2010 at 12:56 pm

Perhaps… but since you pulled out points, just as I said you would, while I as typing… well, I do feel awfully vindicated.

Does it bother you to be so predictable? You define “auto-pilot.”

Bad form, Lawrence, very ruse.

You don’t need scream when we have the facts and they don’t. I was hoping you’d politely ask why Clinton NSA and intelligence advice was ignored.

Why the August, 2001 PDB warning “Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S.”, mentioning planes (after which Bush said “you’ve covered your ass now” to the CIA briefer), was ignored, and why Richard Clarke was repeatedly denied a meeting with Condi all summer and when they met 09-10-2001 “did every thing but hold a gun to her head” about Al Queda.

Politely asking valid questions and respectfully listening to the answers makes you a gentleman, Lawrence, check that out from now on. You’re too good for that.

O’Donnel in complete meltdown like his idol Olbermann. Extremely unprofessional.

The PDB was an historical look at intel from 1998 and was not current. And remember, Bush inherited that Iraq had WMD and the position of the US was “regime change in Iraq” as voted on by the US Senate, 100-0.

MSNBC is the place for on-air meltdowns.

O’Donnel is as crazy(literally) as Olbermann. He has not said an objective phrase since 1976. He is as tortured a person as his buddy on MSNBC. His medication was wearing off before he had a refill. Like most libs, he hates facts.

@same2u
Sara isn’t posting here anymore because of disrespectful partisans like you. People like you go on and on about freedom of speech UNTIL someone disagrees, then the best you can do is throw insults around, when we should be talking to each other.
The only time I throw the insults is when people like you set me off. I wish I hadn’t done that in the past, but I can’t take it back now.
The more people commenting on these stories — from BOTH SIDES — the better.
I wish you understood that.

I stopped watching Morning Joe months ago but did watch it this morning because of your guest Marc Thiessen who has the new book out about the CIA interrogation program. I have to say I was not surprised to hear Lawrence O’Donnell spew his normal “Hollyweird” vomit against Mr. Thiessen. When you’re running like a rat on a sinking ship, it is hard to concentrate while trying to have an intelligent conversation, isn’t it Mr. O’Donnell. Come to think about it, Mr. O’Donnell is the same guy who continued his comments about Mitt Romney and Mormonism during an in-depth interview with radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt, wherein he criticized other religions including his own Catholic faith, but declined to publicly criticize Islamic fundamentalism because he said he was afraid for his life. How else would a “European socialist” ( as Mr. O’Donnell calls himself) act, except act as a coward when pushed into a corner? I can’t wait for the next elections so we can send the “elitist Socialists” back to Hollywood were they belong. If there is a California? Since all the Democratic controlled states are going insolvent, maybe the Socialists will have to run back to Europe where they will feel cozy.

Yikes! I had to pause the clip and start it again.
O’Donnell was completely unhinged and Scarborough was right to put him in the corner.

Interesting that the guest Marc Thiessen is identified politically but the ‘indefatigable and spirited’ O’Donnell is given no label. More revealing than interesting, perhaps.

But the reviewer is right – O’Donnell did tear into the guest with ad hominem attacks and personal smears. As to making any substantive arguments, O’Donnell didn’t have any.

If someone on Fox had done this, this blog would be ablaze with outrage over the unprofessional behavior. Correctly so. But since it’s MSNBC, standards need not be applied.

The take-away here (and every time it happens) is that Leftist, Lib media hacks are enraged. Nothing is going their way. O’Donnell and all the others were swigging champagne this time last year. “Our government from heaven!,” they all cheered. Now, anger rules from one end of the spectrum of Lib media land to the other. The other issue is plummeting ratings at MSNBC, plummeting readership of TIME & Newsweek; and the collapse of Air America. See any common threads? They’re all Lib Media failures! This alone is enough to set them off! I do love witnessing this, though.

MSNBC is always fair and balanced. When Olby and Maddow remind us that 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch, they’re absolutely right. And when all the terrorists were getting their driver’s licenses and passports and setting up fake identities and taking flying lessons, that was happening during Clinton’s watch. But that’s not important. The main thing is to keep bashing Bush. (By the way. How many years does Obama have to be in office before MSNBC realizes that Bush is no longer president?)

Nicely done Lawrence. The style was familar, see Bill O but, the substance was spot on. This clown and others like him continue to try and skirt their responsibility for ignorning warnings of a coming attack. This administration has killed more terrorists than his administration. Scarborough is an ass. He cut Lawrence off because he was cleaning Thiessen’s clock. Nothing like the bitter taste of your own medicine. Rude, yes. Deserved, aboslutely! Republicans are nothing but chickenhawks! They’re still upset because the underpants bomber has provided information that didn’t require being waterboarded 85 times. The better clip is one from a previous segment where Donnie Deutsch was wiping the floor with Joe about how ignorant and unelectable Palin is. Joe did most of the screaming in that one.

Palin is an idiot with little to no following. She will never again hold public office, is completely inconsequential, and will be little more than a footnote in history.

Palin is dangerous. She is a threat to the entire world and great amounts of time and energy must be spent in attacking her at every turn to prevent a coming apocalypse.

Gee. What a paradox the far left is facing.

Actually I thought Lawrence O’Donnell was going to be ‘uglier’ before watching the clip. Joe Scarborough did O’Donnell a nice favor by throwing himself into the scrum before O’Donnell shot himself and became the story. Thiessen is just trying to sell a book. Guess O’Donnell won’t be buying.

Even Donny, Donny Deutsch of all went silent and just had to observe the theater.

I loved the part where Scarborough started saying ‘we’re going to commercial” and repeated. Then brought his mic right up to his mouth like it was going to go to commercial faster that way. That was the best part.

Hilarious to see the tea-bag crowd get all lathered up because O’Donnell pulled a “Glenn Beck” but with facts.

BTW – Palins approval numbers continue to plummet!! Now, who is going to step in and lead that TB bunch?! Glenn Beck? Alex Jones? Anyone…Bueller?

Barack Obama never served a day in the military – active or reserves – and neither did Joe Biden. But Republicans are chickenhawks?

Amazing that the left still uses that smear while we have an Administration that has almost no one with any miitary background in high positions.

That’s because the “tea-bag” group probably doesn’t like O’Donnell. Like you get lathered up over Palin who I’m guessing you don’t like.

roxsteady says:
February 12, 2010 at 1:43 pm

I must be clairvoyant.

But just one quick follow up, Roxy…
This administration has killed more terrorists than his administration.

Can I see the facts, data, evidence, or at the very least (although most probable) a physiatrists receipt… to explain how it is you believe this.

_______

Whoops… Should have had a “6″ on the list:
6) When all else fails, and you can’t defend… or the hypocrisy is too much for even you… just talk about Palin. It’s much easier to talk about her all the time, then the actual issues anyway.

Thanks Ted for reminding me!

Palin’s numbers plummet? Step up the attacks. Makes perfect sense. BTW. Congress has a 71% unfavorable rating, and it’s majority is Democrats. Now those are some ‘numbers’.

I love the way Scarborough acts like he got sand in his vagina every time he or one of his right-wing guests starts getting owned in a debate. Thiessen the torture enthusiast is allowed to ramble on , but when O’Donnell tries to make his point, Scarborough tries to sandbag him by talking over him, cutting his mike and finally cutting to commercial. Awwww Joe, does your pussy still hurt?

Thiessen is a liar
and a sadist who supports torture . He’s also a thin-skinned coward who whines when people like Matt Yglesias point this out.

INB,

Doesn’t matter. Both Admins killed terrorists. That’s good. Silly to get into ‘my admin’ killed more terrorists than ‘your’ Admin.

What you get common ground with, is much of the left support Underwear bomber types to be tried in criminal court and as correctly claimed, Pres. Bush admin did as well for scores of captured terrorists.

Meaning the left agres with Pres. Bush’s policy in trying in criminal court. That’s common ground.

@Jelperman: O’Donnell’s blood pressure visibly increased as he asked a never-ending question. There was no debate for the guest to lose. Either Larry has deep passions on the subject or it was simply his turn to go viral.

@Ted: I think Martin Sheen used to drink tea on West Wing, so yeah, there’s a connection…

Lawrence was commenting by only emotion and not facts.
That is what separates democrats and republicans.
Democrats respond to emotion.
A liberal will always yell louder and get madder then a conservative person.
Because facts are usually on the Conservative side.
So liberals such as “roxsteady” above will use put downs and yell and call them dumb because they cant stand on facts.
Oh, a good one is used by liberals a lot to shut someone up is calling everyone ” a Racist”…I love that one. I cant believe Lawrence didnt try that one also. guess he didnt have enough time.

I have noticed on MSNBC that when someone disagrees with something Obama is doing, the reply is often “it was done during the Bush administration”. It looks like we are indeed becoming united.

If liberals were as vicious toward terrorists as they are to non-liberal Americans, terrorism would be a non-issue.

‘Pres. Bush admin did as well for scores of captured terrorists.’

Yes, those terrorists who were either American citizens like the Buffalo Six or those who were here legally.

In those cases, civilian trials would be warranted.

But a Khalid Sheik Mohammed or others captured overseas or who were not here legally can clearly be tried in military court. And should be.

It’s not a question of either-or. We can use both civilian and military courts depending on the status of the individuals we capture.

Correction above – Richard Reid being an exception.

But he was captured before the military commissions had been established.

We – i.e, the left and right, should be able to debate this fairly and calmly. But O’Donnell can’t. Or won’t. And neither will rightwingers like the equally jerky Limbaugh.

I take it as a sign of character that O’Donnell did get angry. Let’s say Joe Scarborough had invited a flack from NAMBLA or another pro-pedophilia group on his show and the creep said that screwing children was a good thing and that those who refuse to molest kids are putting American lives in danger.

What would any decent person’s reaction be? I don’t see how O’Donnell (who has a temper) remained relatively calm. I was livid when Whoopi Goldberg said that when Roman Polanski drugged and sodomized a 13-year-old, he wasn’t committing “rape rape”. I think she’s a disgusting excuse for a human being.

Marc Thiessen is even worse.

Yes, I’m aware KSM can be tried in military court. I’m trying to make a distinction that liberals that agreed with underwear bomber given miranda rights and thought to be tried in criminal court also must then agree with Pres. Bush policy with likes of Richard Reid. Says much for those on left that didn’t like Pres. Bush to agree with Pres. Bush on some policy.

Like underwear bomber who I believe had a visa to enter US legally but not a US citizen is in same category as Richard Reid, shoe bomber who was a British citizen and tried in Fed criminal court. Thus given his miranda rights upon capture/landing.

And FTR, I think KSM should be handled in military court

If liberals were as vicious toward terrorists as they are to non-liberal Americans, terrorism would be a non-issue.

This liberal wouldn’t mind seeing both torturers and terrorists locked up in the same cells or swinging on the same gallows. Both are responsible for killing multitudes of innocent people.

Why should KSM go in front of a military court? He was arrested by the police in Pakistan, not taken prisoner on any battlefield.

‘I’m trying to make a distinction that liberals that agreed with underwear bomber given miranda rights and thought to be tried in criminal court also must then agree with Pres. Bush policy with likes of Richard Reid. Says much for those on left that didn’t like Pres. Bush to agree with Pres. Bush on some policy.’

Right, I see that point.

But liberals believe – I’m generalizing of course – that all of these people that we captured either here or abroad, legal residents or aliens, should be given civilian trials. I disagree. I think a mix of military and civilian can be used depending on the circumstances and status of the person being prosecuted.

If they’re US citizens or here legally, use civilian trials. If they not US citizens or not here legally, we give them military trials. This was because of the Congressional AUMF. If Congress had not given that authorization, we’d have use civilian courts.

As I said, we should be able to discuss this with some calm. Loony Larry’s act doesn’t help things.

My reasons would for KSM:

Since US law allows for KSM to be tried in military court, then do it. I give more credence because of who/what KSM role/did. And that KSM not a US citizen and was not captured in US. Yes, not technically a ‘battlefield’ but congress passed a law that allows for tribunal for KSM

Cheaper, more limits on KSM’s ability to ‘work’ the system, limits KSM ability to spew rhetoric on airwaves, justice for KSM can be served in military court and even as Holder has stated, no way KSM ever getting released even if a mistrial or other. So for me, more legal downside for KSM to be tried in military court.

If law states KSM can get a fair trial in military court, KSM role, KSM captured abroad, KSM not a US citizen, and less KSM ‘opportunities’ in tribunal. Then I’m in for that.

The standard that ‘It is better that a 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail’ simply cannot be applied in war and with extremists of this type.

Yes we need some safeguards to prevent the imprisonment of innocent people. But we use military courts to try our own men and women in uniform and we can, it seems to me, create enough oversight of military trials to prevent abuse or error.

Perfect? No. But even our own civilian courts make errors.

What got me about the interview was that Scarbourgh confirmed that the CIA interogation teams have
been disbanded.

I love it when liberals whine about O’Reilly “yelling” at his guests or cutting them off when they have an a-hole like Larry O’Donnell on MSLSD. This is what this clown does anytime you put a mic on him and stick a camera in his face. He goes on the attack. If Alan Grayson were a TV host he would be Larry O’Donnell.

All the Bush smears in the world won’t change the fact that terrorists have been emboldened by the election of Barack Obama. They know he doesn’t have the kind sack W and Dick did and that’s why they’re stepping up their attacks on us. They know Obama won’t invade any countries or rough them up during interrogation. Hell, they even know how they’ll be interrogated. They have nothing to fear from Obama and his politically correct ACLU cronies like DOJ chucklehead Eric Holder.

The unfortunate thing for the Obama administration is that the American people are realizing we have sheep in the White House and a pack of angry Muslim wolves on the White House lawn.

Chris Jones – You’re not whining about O’Donnell are you?

‘Lawrence’… Time for your meds..

Torture enthusiasts are the ones who need “meds”.

I know how all of you in the tea-bag movement just can’t stand those east coast elitists. Well, do a little checking on Mr. Thiessen’s background, you won’t like it.

ImNotBlue – Palin…still falling in the polls.

Well, Jelperman, I agreed with and approved of the enhanced interrogation methods used during the Bush admin. Does that de facto make me a “torture enthusiast”?

Or the apparent fact that you are more a name, rank serial number now may I show you to your suite and introduce you to your wait staff de facto make you an “enthusiast of innocent women and children being blown and burned to cinders”?

Wouldn’t this entire conversation be a lot more informative if we all quit ascribing heinous motives to those who have different takes on what are after all very difficult and complicated matters.

You remind me of a poster at another site a few years ago who ended every comment with a statement that since I supported the Iraq War I should put my money where my mouth was and volunteer to bury all our dead soldiers. My eventual reply was that I was willing after he put his money where his mouth was and volunteer to bury all the innocent civilians murdered by terrorists around the world.

‘ spirited, relentless’

Spirited, relentless? That’s how describe what O’Donnell did? Try batshit crazy. He’s a complete and utter buffoon.

Grammie, why is it the only time you are concerned about somebody “ascribing heinous motives to those who have different takes” is when the person doing the ascribing is somebody you disagree with? If Assley does it at at Koldy’s place to Haggis it is fine.

PS
Please ask Haggis when we are going to get together for a round of bitter shandies?

What is the “Koldys” that you keep refering to?

Germ,

You have disqualified yourself from ever getting a polite response.

Well done – against the crypto-Nazis.

Ted says:
February 12, 2010 at 3:26 pm

Thank you for your stimulating post… which contained no evidence or links, but only one slur! I suppose that’s an improvement for you! Nice job!

same2u says:
February 12, 2010 at 4:10 pm

Wow… you are really obsessed with that place! Man alive, Same! It’s downright spooky!

germ says:
February 12, 2010 at 4:19 pm

Johnny Dollar’s Place. His real last name is something similar to Koldys or something… why they use that, who knows? They probably fancy it an insult of some sort, but following their “logic” is… well, virtually impossible.

Anyway, they don’t like Dollar because he calls out the lefty blogs for lying about FOX, and has provided some good examples of bias at CNN and MSNBC. In short, he knows what he’s talking about a little too much for their comfort… so they smear. It’s just SOP.

Well, Jelperman, I agreed with and approved of the enhanced interrogation methods used during the Bush admin. Does that de facto make me a “torture enthusiast”?

Sure does.

Or the apparent fact that you are more a name, rank serial number now may I show you to your suite and introduce you to your wait staff de facto make you an “enthusiast of innocent women and children being blown and burned to cinders”?

Nice strawman, combined with a dishonest and cretinous leap in logic. Torture is not only illegal, but thanks to a treaty Ronald Reagan signed (and the Senate ratified) that allows no excuses, it is a crime punishable by death. The torture of Abu Zubaydah was done to get him to “confess” that Iraq was behind the 9-11 attacks and to justify the Iraq War. That’s what torture accomplishes in real life: It gets people to swear to things are not true. That’s why centuries ago, all those old ladies “confessed” to flying on broomsticks and summoning hailstorms and turning people into toads. The only other thing torture is good for is providing sexual stimulation for the torturers and the sadists who support torture. Torture only works in bad TV shows and movies. But then, the kind of person who supports torture is usually the kind of person who thinks Rambo movies are realistic portrayals of combat and James Bond movies are accurate depictions of how espionage works.

There’s a reason professional interrogators like those at the FBI don’t torture people.

I think “terrorists” deserve a fair trial and if convicted, a fair hanging. Same for torturers. We have plenty of rope for both. During WW2, the U.S. tried, convicted and hanged 141 American soldiers, sailors and Marines for the crimes of rape and murder. This did not harm the war effort one bit (if anything, it helped) and we were still able to try and convict Nazi and Imperial Japanese war criminals as well. One does not preclude the other.

Wouldn’t this entire conversation be a lot more informative if we all quit ascribing heinous motives to those who have different takes on what are after all very difficult and complicated matters.

No, it wouldn’t. Torturers and their apologists are every bit as vile as pedophile apologists, rape apologists and apologists for lynching. They advocate a crime that the US government has prosecuted for over a hundred years, whether it was done by the enemy or by our own people. It’s not complicated at all. Some people are squealing like stuck pigs because their true name was spoken aloud.

Jesse Ventura (of all people) sums it up perfectly.

You remind me of a poster at another site a few years ago who ended every comment with a statement that since I supported the Iraq War I should put my money where my mouth was and volunteer to bury all our dead soldiers. My eventual reply was that I was willing after he put his money where his mouth was and volunteer to bury all the innocent civilians murdered by terrorists around the world.

The difference is, you support torture while you have no evidence that the other poster supports murdering civilians. It’s as though an apologist for lynchings by the KKK, when called out for supporting extrajudicial murder, whined that if his accusers don’t support lynching then they must support the rape of white women.

Once again, logic is to right-wingers what garlic is for vampires.

How does Jelperman love me
Let me count the ways

1. Sadist – torture enthusiast

2. Kinky – The only other thing torture is good for is providing sexual stimulation for the torturers and the sadists who support torture.

3. Degenerate – vile as pedophile apologists, rape apologists and apologists for lynching.

4. Delusional – you support torture while you have no evidence that the other poster supports murdering civilians.

5. Cretinous

6. KKK sympathizer – It’s as though an apologist for lynchings by the KKK, when called out for supporting extrajudicial murder, whined that if his accusers don’t support lynching then they must support the rape of white women.

I said “Well, Jelperman, I agreed with and approved of the enhanced interrogation methods used during the Bush admin. Does that de facto make me a “torture enthusiast”?”.

From that you jumped to the most absurd conclusions about me with no evidence on a scale close to Superman leaping tall buildings while simultaneously berating me for forming a conclusion about someone else after months/years of conversation. You’ll excuse me, I’m sure, if I seem a bit hesitant to take lessons in either logic or humanity from the likes of you.

If I had realized just how much of a self righteous dogmatic ideologue you were I never would have responded to you at all. Please feel free to carry on your fantasizing (sex. mayhem and rape does seem to be a recurring theme with you) without regard to me.

Truth hurts, don’t it?

Bush’s “enhanced interrogation techniques” included rape, torture and other forms of abuse, as detailed in the report by General Antonio Taguba of the U.S. Army.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Bush’s “enhanced interrogation techniques” included rape, torture and other forms of abuse

The legals memos authorizing the techniques used against the terrorists have been (largely) publicized. None of those activities were authorized by the Bush Administration.

Moreover, the Obama Administration Justice Department just completed a full review of the procedures authorized by the Bush Justice Department and determined that not a single law or violation had been committed.

Facts trump fiction.

The legal memos allow any method of torture that does not kill or permanently damage organs, or inflict the same level of pain.

The most notorious document among the memos drafted by President Bush’s legal advisers as they analyzed how far the U.S. could go to extract intelligence from those captured in the war on terror is known as the “Bybee memo.” (PDF File) Some call it the “torture memo.”

The Aug. 1, 2002 memo, sent from Assistant Attorney General Jay S. Bybee to Alberto R. Gonzales, counsel to the president, parsed the language of a 1994 statute that ratified the United Nations Convention against Torture and made the commitment of torture a crime. To be torture, the memo concluded, physical pain must be “equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death.”

Here’s an example of the rape of a boy at Abu Ghraib:

LINK

In the files, prisoner after prisoner at Abu Ghraib describes acts of torture that Taguba found “credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses.” The abuses took place at the Hard Site, a two-story cinder-block unit at the sprawling prison that housed Iraqi criminals and insurgents, not members of Al Qaeda or other terrorist organizations. In one sworn statement, Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, detainee number 151108, said he witnessed a translator referred to only as Abu Hamid raping a teenage boy. “I saw Abu Hamid, who was wearing the military uniform, putting his dick in the little kid’s ass,” Hilas testified. “The kid was hurting very bad.” A female soldier took pictures of the rape, Hilas said.

During the Muslim holy period of Ramadan, Hilas saw Spc. Charles Graner Jr. and an unnamed “helper” tie a detainee to a bed around midnight. “They . . . inserted the phosphoric light in his ass, and he was yelling for God’s help,” the prisoner testified. Again, the same female soldier photographed the torture.

There’s more where that came from.

I’ll repeat: the legal memos authorizing the interrogation did not allow rape or torture or other forms of abuse.

The Obama Justice Department reviewed the memos and found that no laws or other ethical violations occurred.

If any prisoners were raped or beaten or killed – and yes, some were – those were unlawful and not authorized actions.

You can repeat it as often as you like. You’re still lying, though.

As the investigation into the Abu Ghraib scandal revealed, none of the mistreatment outlined in the Taguba report was authorized by any higher officials.

There is not a single shred of evidence that Bush authorized that mistreatment.

It’s not my opinion, it’s a fact.

I’ll repeat: the Obama Justice Department investigated the detainee treatment policies of the Bush Administration and determined not a single crime or ethical wrongdoing was committed.

Facts trump fiction. Again.

1) So that’s why Gen. Karpinski was demoted and forced into early retirement

2) Other than the actual record

3) No, it’s a pack of lies

4) No, they allowed one of Bush’s flunkies (Margolis) at the DoJ water down the report on on Yoo and Bybee, accusing them of “errors of judgment” rather than “Breaches of ethics”, as the report originally included. The latter would have cause disbarment proceedings against both, and impeachment proceedings against Bybee.

Feel free to include a link to evidence that the Obama/Holder has investigated the matter of torture, rape and murder by the Bush Junta, let alone exonerated them. I’m looking forward to it.

what happened with this? I don’t recall hearing anything much since.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/08/24/holder/index.html

Jelperman, not to put too fine a point on it but have you had your mental health checked lately?

I would be concerned if I had your grandiose conviction that I were morally and intellectually superior to anyone who doesn’t march in lockstep with me.

Steve, I think it is more than obvious that there is no room in Jelperman’s world construct for any deviation from his beliefs.

He seems to think that his opinions are on a level with revealed truth to the faithful.

Grammie,

Does Jelperman remind you of Assley when she interacts with Haggis?

same2u says:
February 12, 2010 at 9:43 pm

The obsession continues! WOW!

same2u says,

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2010_01_31_indexarch.php

This is the best I have found to answer your question.

Watching O’Donnell is like watching Jack Nicholson is The Shining, as he inches closer and closer to foaming at the mouth insanity.

Jim R says,

“Why the August, 2001 PDB warning “Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S.”, mentioning planes (after which Bush said “you’ve covered your ass now” to the CIA briefer), was ignored, and why Richard Clarke was repeatedly denied a meeting with Condi all summer and when they met 09-10-2001 “did every thing but hold a gun to her head” about Al Queda”.

George Bush and Co. were at the helm when 911 happened. They didn’t protect this country. They had plenty of real intelligence from the previous administration that Al Queda was the biggest terrorist threat that the new administration would face. Not only was Richard Clarke ignored he was told not to bring it up anymore…they weren’t interested. What the new administration WAS interested in was this; “A New Pearl Harbor”.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

The “interrogation techniques”, the new conservative (radical right) doublespeak for torture that Mr.Theissen is a proponent of, have proven time and time again to be at best suspect and unreliable. Waterboarding (google what Samuel Clemment had to say about it’s use in the Philippines) etc have been around for a long time…they don’t work accept as a warning to others who have heard of its use. That is the actual purpose…a terror for the “terrorist” NOT to gather real or reliable intelligence. It is a form of state sponsored terrorism.

This country is LESS safe around the world due to the hubris of men like Mr. Theissen and the administration that he shilled for. Mr. Theissen had no intention of answering the question put to him and Mr. O’Donnells frustration and anger were justified. Not “Liberal” anger…the anger of an American that is about to get more of the same BS that we had for the entire Bush debacle. Smoke and mirrors is where Mr.Theissen was heading…more lies.

This “Liberals” are rabid is an insult to all Americans. In fact the very use of the term “Liberal” as it is used here, is intended to stop intelligent discussion. It’s a liberal use of debate and certainly NOT conservative or constructive.

Lawrence O’Donnell is one really messed-up dude — he should have been in therapy or rehab a couple decades ago.

But then I guess he wouldn’t be so entertaining and MSNBC wouldn’t need him. That’s the only “network” that needs angry lefties like him.

More than 24 hours later and Steve MG offers no rebuttal, no facts and no evidence to support his claim -proving that he is a liar.

Concession accepted.