Man, the libs really hate this black guy! I feel sorry for him.

MichelleF – the hypocrisy is just so undeniable. As Ive always thought, seems the Obots politically love a prep schooled Ivy league black man – but look down at working class blacks…just like they do in real life.

Heres the buttom line here about what happened in SC and it doesnt matter if someone put Greene up to this or not – its what it says about the black voters in SC.

Seems that 430,000 repubs voted in the SC primary and 420,000 voted for the sitting Senator. Lets assume theyre ALL white voters…but unless blacks crossed over to vote for the GOP candidate it seems almost all GOP voters cast their ballot for the sitting Senator.

So oops! there goes the “repubs crosssed over to cause chaos conspiracy theory!

Over 100,00 voted in the Dem primary and mathematically (according to whats been reported approx 70 of Dem voters in SC are black) and logically it looks like Greene got almost the entire african american vote.

But almost no one is willing to mention the obvious reality here.

Obama got 98% of the black vote in the 2008 SC primary and id bet that Alvin Greene got close to the same number – but NO ONE in the MSM will even mention that possibility!

Even though the truth has been printed in “the paper of record” – the conspiracy theories are sooo much more satisfying arent they!?

“State Senator Robert Ford, D-Charleston, who lost his gubernatorial bid Tuesday, said race could have played a role. The Democratic primary electorate is majority black, as is Greene, but not Rawl. “Vic Rawl had money, but he didn’t have enough. He wasn’t able to identify himself with black voters,” Ford said. “No white folks have an ‘e’ on the end of Green. The blacks after they left the plantation couldn’t spell, and they threw an ‘e’ on the end.”

amazing!

kinda reminds me of all the Obots reasons about Blacks voting for Obama with 94 to 96% of the black vote having NOTHING to do with his race –

oh my!

even if the GOP put up the 10 grand for greene that doesnt change why greene became the nominee but it does helps explain the truth about how and why Obama won the primaries in SC, NC, GA, VA etc..

is this reverse racism at work?

duh.

hilarious!

What is with the voters who chose him because they name guessed that he was black?

thats the depressing part of this story that no one seems ready (if they ever will) to discuss,

makes me think back to the SC primary in 2008 when 96% of AA voters chose an inexperienced man with a year of nat’l political experience over the Clintons. (buy one get one free)

seems ol’ Bill wasnt far off when he linked Obama’s numbers in SC to jesse’s numbers in 1984 and 1988.

Maybe he was being truthful about SC’s voting …situation… and not all racist and stuff…huh maybe?

And if the GOP was trying to pull something, would they really do it here, when pence is pretty much a shoe-in? I’m seriously starting to worry about the sanity of those on the left. It is fun to watch, though!

Good Lord – what a bunch of racists on the left. We always knew the racism existed on the left – which is why they always point fingers at the right — they are the guilty ones. Shame on Don Lemon….what a racist pig he is. Shame on CNN, shame on all you lefties for treating this black man with such disdain.

CNN anchor Don Lemon repeatedly defended rabidly anti-Israel columnist Helen Thomas as he interviewed Ari Fleischer late in the 7 pm Eastern hour of Sunday’s Newsroom. After playing Thomas’s remarks, Lemon lauded her in his first question to Fleischer: “Helen Thomas has broken down many barriers for women….She has a lifelong achievement…in journalism. Should that count for anything?” [audio clips available here]

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2010/06/07/cnns-don-lemon-acts-helen-thomas-apologist-fleischer-interview#ixzz0qmlqDyiZ

Too bad he doesn’t have the same concern for poor alvin greene.

“A Member of Congress calling the President a liar, town hallers yelling at lawmakers, carrying guns to rallies, refusing to let kids hear the Commander-in-Chief. And on and on and on. What’s behind it? Is it racial? Yeah, I said it. And we’re going to talk about it….I was watching Real Talk, Real Time with Bill Maher and I was, like, ‘Finally, someone’s talking about this. Finally, someone is talking about this.’”

— CNN anchor Don Lemon during the 7pm ET hour of Newsroom, September 12.

the way they are treating Alvin is exactly why it was so perfect for Axelrod to choose the “Harvard educated” Obama as his ideal candidate to one day run for the White House.

The Hart/Bradley/Nader/Obama “creative class” “Democrats” dont care about or feel comfortable around working class blacks (or whites for that matter)…

and i agree the way that they are treating this man, Mr. Greene, surely is disgraceful…but totally expected by me. (believe me Ill never forgive or forget the way they charged the Clintons and all their supporters in 2008 of “racism” because they didnt get out of the way for the inexperienced and incompetent Obama.)

Ive spent my entire life working politically with and in the AA community, have they? But because i tell the truth about the real politics of this – Im a “racist”…

Screw that.

They people are hypocrites down to their bones.

Did any of you people hear Mr Greene in that and other interviews. He cannot complete a sentence. How can you compare him to Obama. Just because we are black we are supposed to sound like we have no sense.
I,m black and also a independent, You all sound racist for thinking he is ok.

I was watching Real Talk, Real Time with Bill Maher and I was, like, ‘Finally, someone’s talking about this. Finally, someone is talking about this.’”

— CNN anchor Don Lemon during the 7pm ET hour of Newsroom, September 12.
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Maher is frequent commentator on CNN and that was just a blatant plug for his show.

Just because we are black we are supposed to sound like we have no sense.

Um no one said that, well until you did. And drop the racist schtick, the left jumped the shark on that one a LONG time ago.

darrell says:
June 13, 2010 at 9:54 pm
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It’s the process of the way both won in SC that is being compared by serious posters, not the men themselves.

First who compared him to Obama?

Second, if was voted for and chosen by Dem voters in SC (70 % who are AA) why does he have to go through this crucible and shame fest?

If theres a problem with Mr Greene being chosen – isnt the real problem with WHY SC dem primary voters voted for him? Hmmmm?

Third, maybe if had a teleprompter to read off of – i bet hed of come off better, dont you?

Hack, Michelle and friends,
This whole Greene matter is kind of strange. Why would a man who is unemployed and, by all accounts, broke, pay ten thousand dollars to run for the Senate? And he has given a few interviews now and does not seem to have much aptitude for the position. So this will all be investigated to find out what is going on. I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot, the Republicans would also be seeking to figure it all out. I do not think there is racism involved, because the black leaders of the SC democratic party are among those questioning what is going on.

Now what happens if, indeed, as some people have speculated, Greene was paid by some Republican party official, to screw up the Democratic ticket, with lots of cross over Republicans voting for Greene for the same reason? I wonder what the push back will be on that.

I suspect this story is not over. He who laughs last, laughs best.

valkyrie101 says:
June 13, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Now what happens if, indeed, as some people have speculated, Greene was paid by some Republican party official, to screw up the Democratic ticket, with lots of cross over Republicans voting for Greene for the same reason?
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Hack has provided specs that disprove that theory.

And seriously, you actually think the SC Republican party would risk a mail or telephone campaign telling registered R voters that they propped this fake D guy up and to go vote for him. Or do they ALL meet in some secret cabal every Sunday after church or something?

Seriously Valkyrie?

Val, why would the GOP do that when pence has his race locked? That makes NO sense.

On the surface, just looks like the dems f&cked up and want a do over.

@Michelle

It’s Senator DeMint of South Carolina that Greene is running against. Pence is a U.S. Representative from Indiana.

@Rogue-Comic: As I recently commented in the other thread, I’m not saying that Mr. Greene is a plant or alleging that there are any dirty tricks involved, but when I was a kid, one of the local “secret cabals” met in a clearing by a creek several miles outside of town.

That whole interview was rather ironic… I can’t tell you how many times I have been watching Don Lemon, Rick Sanchez, or one of the many other CNN anchors and have wondered if they were “ok”, mentally impaired, or under the influence of some substance.

Stephen Hogan says:
June 13, 2010 at 10:33 pm
@Michelle

It’s Senator DeMint of South Carolina that Greene is running against. Pence is a U.S. Representative from Indiana.

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Which one of Michelle’s “news” sources fed her the wrong information? Any idea?

@Magister: Good grief: think logically, examine the facts and check your innuendo at the door.

The fact of the matter is this: SC politics are F-d up within both parties, but, even if the SC R’S were behind Greene’s candidacy, there is no way they were behind the votes. And trust me, I have no love for the Republican SC machine, especially after what they tried against Nikki.

The Real Royal King says:
June 13, 2010 at 11:21 pm
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Speaking of frauds . . .

@Rogue-Comic: Again, as I said in comments to the “Axelrod” post, I haven’t seen anything to support the idea of a dirty trick and I think Mr Greene may have won based on chance, but I couldn’t let your joke about a “secret cabal” pass without pointing that it could be a possibility.

valkyrie -

why does ANYONE run for office?

know this – for greene the reasons are the same as for obama or any other pol -

they are interested in politics 9he does have a degree from USC in politics0 and because theyre ego is screwed up in some narcissistic way (i know hundreds of pols and they all are the same in these ways – but thats fine by me – though i do think we should have a constitional amendment that says that ‘anybody who wantsto President – and thinks theyre ready for the job – is disqualified from running because theyre too dumb or demented to know they cant. see obama)

two things are true here in SX.

1) Thhere was no crossover vote from repubs top greene. 430, 000 GOP voters voted in the primary and almost all of them voted for the sitting senator.

2) even if greenes filing fee was paid for by karl rove himself – SC dems (70% plus who are black) voted for greene by choice abecause they name checked him as the “black” candidate. this has been said over and over by SC pols and consultants. theyve even said that the GOP has taken advantage of this before and run black “stooges” in dem primaries – but that does NOT change the truth and reality that SC Dems CHOSE to vote for mr greene.

IF – it is found out that Mr greene did NOT have a GOP sugardaddy taking advantage of him and paying his filing fee – and he actually became the nominee – fair and square – through old fashioned SC race based politics (like jesse jackson did in 1984 and 1988 and obama did in 2008) the “progressives” in the media and online who have been using the ugliest language i have ever seen in politics (Bubba Gump?!) and will owe him the mother of all apologies…

and if its found that he paid this fee with his own money – well, this incident will jump up to the top of the most disgusting things Ive EVER seen the political media do. (and i lived and worked through the impeachment and the media’s war on Gore in 1999 and 2000)

the idea that the mediaite poster Glynis here said that interviewing greene may become ‘”a badge of honor for cable hosts” is exactly the kind of attitude and reason why that i left that world and have nothing but contempt for the DC media clique at large. (Also in case you are wondering – the kind of people who climb up in this crowd are not the type who scored 1500 on their SATs – they are suck ups – who ONLY follow their higher ranked colleagues scripts, as a group theyre dim witted lemmings, not brave or honorable – and i say this knowing that my sister writes the news for mr lemons F-ing network…(though she shys away from the politics and stays in atlanta)

PS – Before anybody hits me and tries to make sweeping generalizations… My experience has been that the men who belonged to the “secret cabal” as I was growing up were often those who didn’t vote. Despite the experience and arguments against feminist pioneers, throughout the latter part of the last century, voting was considered “women’s work” by men of a certain age.

@ Magister: Again, look at the facts and figures while applying simple logic. There are always “possibilities,” but to even suggest something, especially repetitively in light of facts that have been presented, like you do only seems to betray blind partisanship. You’ve always seemed like a serious independent poster to me until this issue too. SC politics are F-D up, deal with it.

@Rogue-Comic: I just made a joke and for the record, if you click on the “Alvin Greene” tag, you’ll find that other than the discussion in the “Axelrod” post, where I chalked his victory up to the fact that neither candidate was known, I’ve been mostly repetitive about the disproportionate application of the felony charge.

@valkrie101: I don’t know if you followed it earlier, but if Mr. Greene did pay the filing fee out of his own funds, then the SC blogpost that I linked earlier makes as much sense as anything else.

Yes, I am not doing well with names today. I do apologize. King, I don’t know what I would do without you!

Magister says:
June 13, 2010 at 11:55 pm
@Rogue-Comic: I just made a joke and for the record, if you click on the “Alvin Greene” tag, you’ll find that other than the discussion in the “Axelrod” post, where I chalked his victory up to the fact that neither candidate was known, I’ve been mostly repetitive about the disproportionate application of the felony charge.
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Okay, so you say you were joking about “Republican Secret Cabals” and all that nonsense?

MichelleF says:
June 14, 2010 at 12:02 am

Yes, I am not doing well with names today. I do apologize. King, I don’t know what I would do without you!
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Honestly, MichelleF: from a casual observant it would appear this “king” would not know what to do without you.

@Rogue-Comic: In my light-hearted comment, I didn’t say the cabals were Republican.

@ Magister: You alluded. If I were you, I would just move on.

@Rogue-Comic: When I was a kid, everybody except Jesse Helms were Democrats.

There are two problems with political media hacks argument:

1) Your argument has to presume that black South Carolina voters knew that Alvin Greene was black (and indeed, knew who he was). Considering that his candidacy generated/received absolutely 0% publicity, this is very unlikely. The “Greene won because his name was alphabetically first” argument seems more likely, and frankly dos not reflect any better upon South Carolina’s Democratic electorate.

2) Even if Greene won simply because he was black (an argument I would be sympathetic to if not for the problem listed above), this does not in any way rule out a GOP conspiracy–throw in a black plant that will dominate the black vote to take the primary but have no chance in the general. The issue of unelectable black candidates winning Democratic primaries in the south has existed for years.

Personally, I think that Greene was probably a conservative plant, but I doubt it came from a major arm of either the national or state Republican apparatus.

sorry goodgill – in the SC AA community his race WAS KNOWN!

AGAIN – from a black man who was on the ballot –

from the NYTs

“State Senator Robert Ford, D-Charleston, who lost his gubernatorial bid Tuesday, said race could have played a role. The Democratic primary electorate is majority black, as is Greene, but not Rawl. “Vic Rawl had money, but he didn’t have enough. He wasn’t able to identify himself with black voters,” Ford said. “No white folks have an ‘e’ on the end of Green. The blacks after they left the plantation couldn’t spell, and they threw an ‘e’ on the end

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The Charleston Free Times also explores the role that race played:

“Blacks spell Greene with an “e” on the end, and the average voter in a South Carolina Democratic primary is a black woman. Also, Greene’s name appeared above Rawl’s on the ballot and the name Rawl sounds like white Charleston aristocracy. Most voters didn’t know who Greene or Rawl was and Rawl didn’t campaign enough to earn high name recognition even though he certainly campaigned very hard throughout the state. A massively uninformed electorate chose the name Greene over Rawl and it’s just that simple…”

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Did Alvin Greene Win a Senate Primary Because of His “Black” Name?

JUNE 11, 2010NATHAN HEGEDUS

South Carolina Democrats Charge Alvin Greene Is a Republican Plant

There is a hilarious fuss going on in South Carolina, where Alvin Greene, an unemployed vet facing a felony charge, won the Democratic primary for the U.S. Senate over a very upset, established politician.

From the Free Times in Columbia, SC:

Around the state, Democratic activists were facing the smacking electoral truth that a non-campaigning, unemployed, black, country-living, coo-coo-for-Cocoa-Puffs nobody who’d been kicked out of the Army and was currently facing federal sex charges had just beaten — in the Democratic primary, and by 17 percentage points — a well-known former legislator, judge and current Charleston County councilman who’d raised a quarter of a million bucks for the race and for months been campaigning his ass off.

Most of the fuss has centered on where Alvin Greene got the $10,000 to enter the race, whether he was a Republican plant and his general weirdness in interviews.

Please, stop. OK, let’s cut through all that crap. There is only one question I want answered.

Who voted for Alvin Greene?

I mean, how did he win? He did not campaign. He has no name recognition.

Most outlets are just ignoring this, content to interview South Carolina politicians about bad checks and Republican evilness and make jokes about the “safest” Senate seat in the country.

God, journalism can suck sometimes.

The best attempt to get at deeper truths comes via the Free Times. They have three theories – Republican plot (South Carolina Republicans are nasty), flipped ballots and the fact that Greene is a “black” name while his opponent has a “white” name. Here they found one real voter:

Kevin Gray, a prominent black activist and author in South Carolina, says he voted for Greene.

“When I was in the voting booth I looked at both those names,” he says. “I’d seen Vic Rawl on Facebook before, but Alvin Greene, that name looked black.”

Gray adds that he doesn’t think Rawl did much for trying to win with black voters and that many Democratic candidates in the state think the black vote is a given.

I’m not sure what this says about America, race, voting, the Senate, South Carolina, white Democrats taking black voters for fools. I am in Sweden, not in Columbia, but there is a great big magazine article or book here.

If the results were not due to mechanical failure, which is very unlikely, which is behind this voter fraud a mockery of the voting system and take advantage of this young man who, according to face value, seems to have experienced some type of mental impairment. I hope they get their just cause.
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@ex political-media hack: you wrote “Seems that 430,000 repubs voted in the SC primary….” Please include the documentation for that statistic. There are some 2.5 million registered voters in SC (http://www.sciway.net/facts/), and I think it’s fair to say that the majority are Republicans. Greene won his race by just over 30,000 votes. So unless there’s a statistic from a reputable source backing up what you wrote, it seems to me that the possibility exists that at least 30,000 GOP voters from a pool of well over a million could have voted for Greene in order to make mischief.

As for the theory that black voters thought Greene was black and thus voted for him, that’s possible, but it might be a stretch. For example, there is a famous black singer named Lou Rawls. Thus, if I didn’t know who Vic Rawl is, I might assume from his name that he is black. And I’ve never heard before that names with “e” on the end are known to be black. Such names are often Anglo-Saxon and thus white.

Furthermore, I don’t see this as a case of black or liberal racism against a non-Harvard black. Greene takes a long time to respond to questions, and his answers are often monosyllabic, and certainly lacking in detail. If he were white and behaved that way, I’d say he was one step above Billy Bob Thornton in “Slingblade,” and would have great concerns about the bona fides of his candidacy too. It’s not a black thing.

We don’t know all the facts, which is why further investigation is warranted, especially given that:
–there are media reports indicating that Greene received more votes in certain precincts than there are voters;
–Greene appears not to have done any campaign events, fundraisers, or mass media advertising;
–Greene wouldn’t answer the SC ETV interviewer a few days ago when asked to name some towns he visited or some voters he met with, nor would he give specifics about what exactly he did to to campaign;
–Greene repeats the same few simplistic labels (“jobs, education, justice,) but never seems to talk specifics. Surely, he would have at least some articulated positions on some issues if he truly ran a senate campaign and truly wanted the job.

So I think it’s reasonable to want to know more about this before making conclusions either way, especially considering that, if voter fraud was committed as some suspect, there may be some criminal violations.

Having watched this interview, I will conclude that Don Lemmon should be fired. “You don’t sound OK”…what the hell? I would bet that Lemmon never said that to teh One even though he rambles on and on and on and on again. Unbelievable.

This is snot journalism that CNN claims they do, and this is why CNN is bleeding viewers.

I am certain when the dust settles we will find typical Republican dirty tricks here. All the Marys in Heaven, that’s been Republican SOP since Nixon/Segretti. Having said that, but for the absence of a functioning Democratic party in South Carolina, this could not have occurred. And, in the end, to what end once discovered? South Carolinians have shown us that they are will support any Republican, however radically rightist, however depraved and morally bankrupt, as long as they say “family values” and “taxes” when wound up. I would say that South Carolinians, Democratic and Republican, have the sorry government, the sorry elected officials, they deserve.

Why do they keep beating up on this poor guy? Really? When has having mental impairments been a problem for any candidate???

And the dumbycrats in S.C. have the candidate for senate they deserve..so why you still bitching about it?

So ultra-sensitive righties scream about how they get called racists for criticizing the president. Meanwhile, some of these same people call liberals racist for raising questions about Greene. Very odd behavior. Hypocrites.

Seems to me there is plenty of mysterious behind-the-scenes issues here. How did an unemployed man living with his dad pay the $10,400 filing fee? How could a man who has acknowledged to never campaigning beat a former four-term legislator by 30,000 votes? Seeing the nefarious nature of SC politics, nothing would surprise me.

Paul..are you that dense? We’re throwing the race card back at you lib losers. We know the democrats who voted for this moron and the reasons why. We’re not being hypocrites..we’re calling you guys out for it. You seem to believe in a lot of conspiracy theories, there teach..do the monsters in your room live under the bed, or are they hiding in your closet? Don’t be scared..just think of unicorns.

Yeah, because this guy was so black huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Greene

I don’t know why so many here feel the need to resort to name-calling. It is puerile and reflects poorly on those who do it. Insecure perhaps? Anyway, I never said anything about why people voted for Greene. I’m not sure why you didn’t directly address my contention. Let me break it down for you. Many here and elsewhere believe that they are called a racist merely for criticizing the president, and they often express anger over that. Yet these same people are very quick to call others racist simply for raising questions about this Greene guy. Make sense? See any hypocrisy there?

Also, can you answer the above questions? Seems to me that politics in SC is very nasty, and nothing would shock me. And it’s nasty on both sides. I am not singling out either party.

Let me try again..People who correctly and fairly criticize barry are called racist, fact. We always are because libs resort to these tactics when they lose an argument(see the story about the dem. congressman assaulting the college kid). Our turning the tables on you high and mightiy lib feel-gooders is simply..wait for it..rhetorical tongue- in-cheek. Got it? And you called some here a hypocrite..then condem name calling. Hypocrite much..Paul?

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You call it rhetorical tongue-in-cheek if it makes you feel better, and maybe that is true for you, but I don’t think that’s the case in general. I have never called the president’s critics racist. I have never called anyone here racist. I do condemn name-calling, but there does seem to be hypocrisy at work here. That isn’t name-calling but rather pointing out a fact. If you cry and moan about being called racist for criticizing the president, and then turn around and call people racist for questioning Greene, that indeed is hypocrisy. Is that a conservative tactic?

Well I don’t cry and moan about anything..so you must not be talking to me. The whole argument made by my conservative friends here is just that, the left are hypocrites for doing to Greene what they say we do to barry. Hypocrisy is a double-edged sword..

You’re right I was not specifically talking about you but generally. And I totally agree that hypocrisy is a double-edged sword.

Besides..I only hate barrys’ white half..remember?

Oh right that’s true. Sometimes I forget, especially when the coffee hasn’t kicked in yet.

Is this where we’re going, America? Seriously?

In my earlier comment, I forgot to mention the $10,400 filing fee. How Greene, who is unemployed, has no home, lives with his parents at age 32, and would likely be considered “indigent” under the law not only claims that he came up with $10,400 out of “savings,” but decided to use it to run for Senate, is possible but raises suspicions. Add that to the other suspicious elements listed above, and again, the case has been made for further investigation before one reaches a conclusion either way.

The man is very slow. Everyone sees that. It has nothing to do with him being a working class black man. You can tell people who interview have no idea what to say because he gives one word answers and will not defend himself in regards to the felony porn charges he is facing. Ex political media hack; your numbers do not disprove a republican conspiracy at all. I am not saying one but the Machiavellian tactic here wouldn’t be to draw votes from the dems it would be to get Green nominated and lose the democratic candidate that had a chance against the incumbent republican. That tactic is not unprecedented but I don’t know if it was used here. Anyway the sad thing is that voters just picked a name without knowing who they were voting for. That is terrible habit people have in our society. I know the govern met hasn’t done anything lately but ignore and screw over the electorate but I still have the belief that our candidates should have some intelligence and people skills. Greene may posses some intelligence but he is dire need of social skills.

I am a very prejudiced person….I hate stupid people