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Bill Maher And The Atlantic‘s Joshua Green Investigate Nazi-Reenacting House Candidate Rich Iott

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It’s been a bizarre midterm campaign season. Taking a quick look back, Bill Maher ran through some of the highlights of the season: Christine O’Donnell, Krystal BallCarl Paladino– he even threw David Vitter in there for good measure. But this one seems to put the icing on the cake: meet GOP Congressional candidate Rich Iott of Ohio, who likes to reenact WWII battles as a Nazi in his spare time.

Maher found the clip through Atlantic Senior Editor Joshua Green, whose claims to fame include discovering Eric Massa and Bill Bennett. He discovered several damning images of Iott dressed as an SS officer, reenacting invasions with his pals. Calling Iott up to explain, the Republican congressional candidate explained that he got involved with the Nazi reenacting group the Wikings as a father-son activity with his teenager. While he claims to not be a Nazi or condone their beliefs, he told Green he has respect for the idealist young men who died in the war and enjoys studying their history. Oh yeah, also, Iott is running for Congress.

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  • Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers

    Per TPM:

    Until last night, the GOP included the candidate, Rich Iott, on a list of promising potential members called Contenders — a notch below their so-called Young Guns. Now he’s gone, without a trace.

    ROFLMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Harry Flashman

    If anyone would care to dig a bit deeper, just a teeny tine bit (especially the author of this article) they would find that Iott also has participated in Civil War, WW1, and other WW2 re-enactments.

    An interesting point was brought up on another site about this – a Hollywood actor can spend weeks in a Nazi uniform playing pretend Nazi and it’s okay, but a few hours in a re-enactment and the guy’s not qualified to run for congress?

    Sweet smokin’ Moses, people.

  • Harry Flashman

    Bill Maher, psuedo intellectual parasite, strikes again.

  • Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers

    “he told Green he has respect for the idealist young men who died in the war and enjoys studying their history.”

    So Anita Dunn can respect Mao as a philosohper and she gets run out of a job, but this Asshole has respect for idealist young Nazi men and he is too be embraced by people like Harry Flashman.

    GFY

  • writer

    With Maher, it’s usually the gal who dresses up like the SS.

  • Harry Flashman

    By the way, the fact that he’s participated in other re-enactments is buried in the thirteenth paragraph of the original Atlantic article. But, hey, let’s not let facts get in our way here, shall we?

    OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!

    Yeesh.

  • Big Eddie

    The BILL MAHER LET’S ALL DRAW MOHAMMED DAY . Oct. 28th . All artists to meet at Washington monument Oct.30th at 12 noon .Contact Bill at billmaher.com for more info . Let him know you’ll be there .

  • writer

    While Maher dresses as Little Bo Peep.

  • Harry Flashman

    You’re comparing Anita Dunn’s Mao I-killed–45-million-of-my-own-citizens tounge bath with a re-enactment of a simple front line soldier?

    Nice. Typical leftist thought process.

  • Harry Flashman

    writer -

    Hah!!!!! Good job!

  • DEFENDER-90

    That was funny SS we can,and a littile disturbing.

  • Bunny

    Harry Flashman said:
    By the way, the fact that he’s participated in other re-enactments is buried in the thirteenth paragraph of the original Atlantic article. But, hey, let’s not let facts get in our way here, shall we?

    OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!

    Yeesh.

    It’s not his participation in re-enactments that bothers me (after all, someone has to play the part of the bad guys in those things). It’s that comment he made — that he respects those idealistic young Nazis. I can’t get on board with that and don’t see how anyone else could, either.

  • Harry Flashman

    Bunny brings up a valid point. That was a fairly stupid thing to say. I don’t think it’s enough to label the guy as some kind of Nazi sympathyzer, though, like Maher in his gloating, superior, snide, condescending, sneering way tries to do.

    Gads, that guy’s a creep.

  • TonyClifton

    I know a guy who does Nazi war reenactments. I’ve never thought that he was a Nazi sympathizer because of it.

  • timzank

    Bunny said:
    It’s not his participation in re-enactments that bothers me (after all, someone has to play the part of the bad guys in those things). It’s that comment he made — that he respects those idealistic young Nazis. I can’t get on board with that and don’t see how anyone else could, either.

    How about Clint Eastwoods respect for Japanese soldiers? Or Mahers respect for the 9-11 hijackers (remember “say what you want, they weren’t cowards etc”?)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marla-Louise/1475774062 Marla Louise

    OK, I was going to defend this guy because the Wehrmacht (German Military) is not synonymous with Nazi’s (political party). But his reenactment group if I understand the facts correctly was the Waffen SS. The Waffen SS was the military branch of the Nazi party and not part of the Wehrmacht. One would have to question why they would choose the Waffen SS instead of a Wehrmacht unit to reenact.

    Is this enough to paint him as extreme? Probably not, but one does want to look a little closer.

  • notsofast

    Nazi-Reenacting?

    Great! I hope they type- cast Maher!

  • TonyClifton

    BTW, is this the same Bill Maher who said the 9-11 hijackers were courageous?

  • notsofast

    MG, ladies and gentlemen, the one and only Tony Clifton!

  • Michele

    Harry Flashman said:
    Bunny brings up a valid point. That was a fairly stupid thing to say. I don’t think it’s enough to label the guy as some kind of Nazi sympathyzer, though, like Maher in his gloating, superior, snide, condescending, sneering way tries to do. Gads, that guy’s a creep.

    There are many proud American’s who enjoy the traditions of famous war reenactments. I agree it was a silly thing to say, also someone has to play the bad guys. It appears those on the left are putting such effort in providing their readers/viewers with such research it may just back fire. Folks who live in my neck of the woods desire that their elected officials go to Washington, honor the constitution and represent their community honorably as they campaigned on, than all this other stuff is just NOISE.

    Liberals don’t seem to give conservative’s the consideration that we actually pay attention to the news both MSM and other outlets. As this site that posted the article, providing the source and we than have the responsibility to further pursue the story or not.

    Just my 10 cents worth from Ft. Leavenworth, KS (as I watch my Utah Utes score a touchdown)

  • ordinary

    I don’t know whether or not he may have had relatives in the German army or not. If he did, it would give him a whole different perspective. The German WWII soldier including the Waffen SS has been broad brushed as evil wicked mass killers. My father, who came over from Germany to this country in 1925 when he was 18, was an American soldier in WWII, but he had relatives on the German side. Many came to visit the American side of the family after the war in the 70s and 80s. They have all passed on now, but I can truly say, they were not monsters. They fought their hearts out for their country. Once a war starts and their mothers and sisters are dying in bombing raids, never mind if your country started it, patriotism is just about mandatory. I don’t know if any committed any war crimes though. I myself as a Vietnam war vet witnessed how the brutalities of war can change some people. I think the difference is that in the few cases of American atrocities, our government condemns it. In the case of WWII, the Nazis not only did not condemn it, but encouraged it. I have no doubt that if we had a brutal government like the Nazis, the occasional atrocities in Vietnam would have eventually escalated into government sanctioned war crimes. I tend to reserve judgement against the low ranking German WWII soldiers, most likely because I probably have a more objective view than most in the allied countries.

  • Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers

    Michele said:
    Michele says:
    October 9, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Michele in Kansas is always welcome at Mediaite, inspite of her support for the Utah Utes.

    It is Michelle_F in Utah that we are trying to sniff-out and banish.

  • The Real Royal King

    notsofast said:
    Nazi-Reenacting? Great! I hope they type- cast Maher!

    That is as vile and troublings as Jeff Merrill’s post threatening the life of the president. Nutso, I have to say you have surprised me. I actually didn’t think you were such trash.

  • fallenchicken

    Rightards can only defend this by trying to turn it on Maher?

  • possumdearie

    timzank said:
    Or Mahers respect for the 9-11 hijackers (remember “say what you want, they weren’t cowards etc”?)

    The left calling these goat fuckers “freedom fighters” and respecting their courage is as despicable as Iott’s quote, and I agree. Maher should be held in equal contempt. Obama and Holder for wanting to try them in civil court ditto. But I will maintain, there is nothing “idealistic” about Naziism. In fact, if he sees it that way, I’m worried about the WW and Civil War reenactments, as well. Will the GOP please get some standards ASAP?

  • The Real Royal King

    I have to say it is rather shocking to see the Tea Partiers come here and approve of of this sort of conduct. Few Americans are willing to do this. Thankfully, very few. Much of what we have said about the Tea Party has now been confirmed.

    To Righter’s credit, he reduces everything to sexual perversions, his second favorite topic.

  • Michele

    Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
    Michele in Kansas is always welcome at Mediaite, inspite of her support for the Utah Utes.

    It is Michelle_F in Utah that we are trying to sniff-out and banish.

    Thank you, we have a divided household my beloved is a Va Tech grad, they had a rough start this year but won today. He is also a Redskins fan while I am a Cowboys fan, started with my dad and I watching the great Staubach/Landry team, nothing better than a great football team rivalry.

    Of course all the eye can see in KS aren’t the yellow brick road but KU fans. ;)

  • michiganruth

    Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
    Michele in Kansas is always welcome at Mediaite, inspite of her support for the Utah Utes.

    It is Michelle_F in Utah that we are trying to sniff-out and banish.

    we? speak for yourself. many of us think “Michelle F in Utah” is one of the most sensible posters here.

    wait–aren’t you the guy who keeps trying to convince us that Fox’s audience is actually really small?

    moving on to the article…I don’t know what I think about someone who particpates in Nazi reenactments. but I do think it’s a pretty stupid hobby for a politician. these guys do understand that people are going to want to know about this during a campaign, right? couldn’t he and his son have done the soap box derby together instead?

  • The Real Royal King

    michiganruth said:
    we? speak for yourself. many of us think “Michelle F in Utah” is one of the most sensible posters here. wait–aren’t you the guy who keeps trying to convince us that Fox’s audience is actually really small? moving on to the article…I don’t know what I think about someone who particpates in Nazi reenactments. but I do think it’s a pretty stupid hobby for a politician. these guys do understand that people are going to want to know about this during a campaign, right? couldn’t he and his son have done the soap box derby together instead?

    Michelle-in-Utah sensible? I think you might get fewer than 1% of the posters here to agree with that.

  • writer

    King, aren’t you the one always obsessing over Sarah Palin’s daughter? The only person more hateful towards women than you was Ted Bundy.

  • Azarkhan

    Republican challengers are suddenly threatening once-safe Democrats in New England and the Northwest, expanding the terrain for potential GOP gains and raising the party’s hopes for a significant victory in next month’s elections.

    Republican advances in traditionally Democratic states, including Connecticut, Oregon and Washington, may not translate into a wave of GOP victories. But they have rattled local campaigns and forced the Democrats to shift attention and money to races they didn’t expect to be defending….

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704657304575540300424055286.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond

    The graph at the bottom right of the page, from Cook Political Report, is especially interesting.

  • The Real Royal King

    Azarkhan said:
    Republican challengers are suddenly threatening once-safe Democrats in New England and the Northwest, expanding the terrain for potential GOP gains and raising the party’s hopes for a significant victory in next month’s elections. Republican advances in traditionally Democratic states, including Connecticut, Oregon and Washington, may not translate into a wave of GOP victories. But they have rattled local campaigns and forced the Democrats to shift attention and money to races they didn’t expect to be defending…. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704657304575540300424055286.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond The graph at the bottom right of the page, from Cook Political Report, is especially interesting.

    Sorry, Azarkhan, but the topic is Tea Partiers playing Nazis. Please stay on topic.

  • writer

    Ted, I mean King, speaking of staying on topic, the article says Iott is GOP, not tea party. So why are you bringing the tea party into it?

  • Arkansas Steve

    The more I watch & listen, the more I realize Bill Maher & Rush Limbaugh are very much alike:
    Similarities:
    …They’re both got a following that thinks they are smart.
    …They’ve both got a show.
    …They’ve both got lots of airtime to fill with words.
    …They both have to say something unusual, controversial, outrageous, or occasionally stupid to keep their audience.
    …They both think people who disagree with them are sad & pathetic.
    …Neither allows any “serious” dissension. Maher supports himself with an audience of lemmings.
    …They both get their self-esteem from having others talk about them. (Mediaite writers???)

    Differences:
    …Rush is fat, but Maher has a really ugly face. (Sorry, it’s true.)
    …Rush makes a lot more money.
    …Rush was conservative when it wasn’t popular. He stood alone for a long time.
    …Maher jumped on the liberal bandwagon while it was high, at no risk to himself.
    …Maher accuses the Republicans of being led by Rush. Nobody thinks Maher could lead anything.

    All in all, they have quite a lot in common, and a few differences.

  • Azarkhan

    The Real Royal King said:
    Sorry, Azarkhan, but the topic is Tea Partiers playing Nazis. Please stay on topic.

    I apologize. I was trying to bring the discussion back to reality.

  • DEFENDER-90

    Im ok with the Wikings disclaimer up to this point.

    “we HONOR the men(and women) who really experienced the war,and we SALUTE their courage and LOYALTY( F their loyalty)to put their lives on the line in defense of their native soil,NO MATTER WHAT NATIONALITY OR GOVERNMENT.”Maybe a little less loyalty on there part (theSS)and maybe fewer atrocities committed?
    I dont believe them to be NAZIS but dam it to hell think about what you put on your site.I

  • jooce81

    Harry Flashman said:
    You’re comparing Anita Dunn’s Mao I-killed–45-million-of-my-own-citizens tounge bath with a re-enactment of a simple front line soldier?

    Nice. Typical leftist thought process.

    The SS were hardly “simple front line soldiers”.

  • CosmosDan

    Harry Flashman said:
    If anyone would care to dig a bit deeper, just a teeny tine bit (especially the author of this article) they would find that Iott also has participated in Civil War, WW1, and other WW2 re-enactments.

    An interesting point was brought up on another site about this – a Hollywood actor can spend weeks in a Nazi uniform playing pretend Nazi and it’s okay, but a few hours in a re-enactment and the guy’s not qualified to run for congress?

    Sweet smokin’ Moses, people.

    Holy crap. Can you really not see the difference between an actor doing his job and portraying a Nazi for pay, and someone dressing as the SS for fun. It’s understandable to admire the military strategy of WWII Germany from an analytical pov, but to go the extra mile and dress up is an SS uniform, with all that represents, is a bit much. Comparing that to acting is just ludicrous.

    I don’t see how conservatives who watch Glenn Beck hold up swastikas and make ridiculous Nazi references about this administration, now try and defend one of their own who purposely dresses as a Nazi and expresses some admiration.

    Honestly, it’s just an oddity and I don’t condemn the guy for it, but in today’s political environment, I think he’s had it. When state party officials decide to promote a candidate, don’t they ask a few questions?

  • jooce81

    The SS units we’re Heinrich Himmler’s boys, they we’re the armed arm of the Nazi party, so to call them “simple front line soldiers” is a huge understatement

  • writer

    I wasn’t defending Iott. I just like making fun of Bill Maher.

  • CosmosDan

    Harry Flashman said:
    By the way, the fact that he’s participated in other re-enactments is buried in the thirteenth paragraph of the original Atlantic article. But, hey, let’s not let facts get in our way here, shall we?

    OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!

    Yeesh.

    So what? You think other re-enactments somehow justify dressing as a Nazi as harmless fun? It wasn’t just a Halloween party. This habit you have of such exaggeration doesn’t add anything to your argument. Nobody is painting the guy as a Nazi. It’s just a little bizarre for a congressional candidate to admire and dress up as a Nazi.

  • CosmosDan

    jooce81 said:
    The SS were hardly “simple front line soldiers”.

    Right. That was kinda the point they were making.

  • jooce81

    CosmosDan said:
    Right. That was kinda the point they were making.

    Oh I know. I was commenting on Harry’s post that this guy was re-enacting a “simple nazi soldier” which the SS we’re not

  • CosmosDan

    TonyClifton said:
    I know a guy who does Nazi war reenactments. I’ve never thought that he was a Nazi sympathizer because of it.

    I don’t think anyone is even claiming that. It’s just a bizarre campaign season, and finding a candidate dressed in a Nazi uniform adds to the bizarre quality.

  • CosmosDan

    jooce81 said:
    Oh I know. I was commenting on Harry’s post that this guy was re-enacting a “simple nazi soldier” which the SS we’re not

    I know. I was agreeing with you. Sorry if my phrasing made it seem otherwise.

  • notsofast

    The Real Royal King said:
    That is as vile and troublings as Jeff Merrill’s post threatening the life of the president. Nutso, I have to say you have surprised me. I actually didn’t think you were such trash.

    LOL

    I hope you are crying you pathetic lib!

    You are a POS and a rancid one at that.

  • Big_F-ing_Deal

    I’m not a Nazi…
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    I’m you.

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    RRK reenacts 911 by portraying Mohammed Attah. BFD is Osama bin Laden. They do that when they are not triying to build a Mosque at Ground Zero.

  • CosmosDan

    Big_F-ing_Deal said:
    I’m not a Nazi…
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    I’m you.

    LOL you’re a riot.

  • Contessa

    Clearly Mr. Ross Idiott has removed the “d” and “i” from his last name and hidden them in the breast pocket of his very snazzy uniform.

  • Greg

    The presence of a Bee connotes a demonic executive, a Republican in Nazi garb means the media is lame for noticing… poor republican… is nothing sacred?

  • Fidoohki

    Okay since some of you didn’t get it I have actually relogged in to say this … HE IS NOT WEARING A ‘NAZI’ UNIFORM!!!! The uniform is German army like the unit he was reenacting. If those left wing nuts could get their collective heads out of Obama’s rear end long enough to crack open a book they may have known that…

    Let me say this. This is the lowest I have ever seen Democraps go in their smears this year. I would predict that
    it is only a matter of time before some conservative canidate decided to kill himself over one of these smears
    directed at them. When that happens…may god have mercy on our souls…. :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lars-Svensen/100001028197161 Lars Svensen

    Maher and Green: Two limp-wristers sharing a bean-sprout latte and…unspeakable memories.

  • sarainitaly
    [Iott] added that he has participated in re-enactments as a Civil War Union infantryman, a World War I dough boy and World War II American infantryman and paratrooper.

    What?! Green should be ashamed of himself for minimizing this. The 13th paragraph is about follow-up email with Iott. Did Green have the whole damning article written when he encountered this crucial piece of information? And then he decided — what? — to stick it where it’s least likely to be read? A decent journalist would have ascertained how many war reenactments Iott has done and which roles Iott played in them.

    It’s pretty obvious that Green is hot to smear Iott and help the Democrat in the race. And, unsurprisingly, the Democratic blogosphere welcomes Green’s hearty slab of biased reporting.

    TPM’s Josh Marshall types up “Marcy Kaptur’s Good Night’s Sleep” (“whatever worry she may have had about reelection, I think that’s over now that her opponent Rich Iott has been revealed as an avid Nazi reenactor”). Also at TPM ,Evan McMorris-Santoro has a long piece that looks like a rewrite of Green’s piece, except that it leaves out the crucial information about other reenactments altogether. How incredibly slimy!

    Look! Over there! Nazis! They’re eeeevil! Sorry, but I’m looking over here, at journalists who should be ashamed of their shoddy political hackery.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/10/witch-whore-nazi.html

    I suppose Tom Cruise, David Bamber or Christopher Waltz are Nazi sympathizers because they played Nazis in film?

  • sarainitaly

    CosmosDan said:
    Can you really not see the difference between an actor doing his job and portraying a Nazi for pay, and someone dressing as the SS for fun. It’s understandable to admire the military strategy of WWII Germany from an analytical pov, but to go the extra mile and dress up is an SS uniform, with all that represents, is a bit much. Comparing that to acting is just ludicrous.

    How can you do re-enactments if no one plays the Germans? You can’t. Just like you can’t make a movie if no one plays the Germans.

    Iott participated in re-enactments as a Civil War Union infantryman, a World War I dough boy and World War II American infantryman and paratrooper. He did it as a father/son bonding activity.

  • sarainitaly

    prominent disclaimer in red on the reenactment web site:

    “This page or anyone involved in its creation, or members of reenactment groups listed here, are in no way affiliated with real, radical political organizations (i.e., KKK, Aryan Nation, American Nazi Party, etc.) and do not embrace the philosophies and actions of the original NSDAP (Nazi party), and wholeheartedly condemn the atrocities which made them infamous. May the victims of this unspeakable horror rest in peace.”

  • CosmosDan

    Fidoohki said:
    Okay since some of you didn’t get it I have actually relogged in to say this … HE IS NOT WEARING A ‘NAZI’ UNIFORM!!!! The uniform is German army like the unit he was reenacting. If those left wing nuts could get their collective heads out of Obama’s rear end long enough to crack open a book they may have known that…

    It looks like you’re mistaken. It’s not just a German uniform. The group he belonged to admired a very specific group in the SS which have a history. They were Nazi’s

    Fidoohki said:
    Let me say this. This is the lowest I have ever seen Democraps go in their smears this year. I would predict that
    it is only a matter of time before some conservative canidate decided to kill himself over one of these smears
    directed at them. When that happens…may god have mercy on our souls…. :(

    Nobody with any suicidal tendencies should ever go into politics. Especially when the information brought into the light happens to be true. Since you brought it up I wonder how you feel about the Dr. that was killed after ORielly kept referring to him as “baby killer” or Byron Williams, who was on a mission to kill members of the evil Tides foundation that he heard about on Glenn Beck.

  • CosmosDan

    sarainitaly said:
    I suppose Tom Cruise, David Bamber or Christopher Waltz are Nazi sympathizers because they played Nazis in film?

    Yeah, this defense has already been pointed out. There is a significant difference between being a paid actor playing a role and dressing up as a Nazi for fun as part of a group that holds them in some esteem.

    sarainitaly said:
    How can you do re-enactments if no one plays the Germans? You can’t. Just like you can’t make a movie if no one plays the Germans.

    Iott participated in re-enactments as a Civil War Union infantryman, a World War I dough boy and World War II American infantryman and paratrooper. He did it as a father/son bonding activity.

    Let’s not misrepresent what happened and how it’s being described. He didn’t do this as part of a general WWII re-enactment. This was a group that named themselves after a very specific Nazi group. The fact that he did it with his teenage son makes it even more bizarre. You’d think you’d steer your son to emulating some group that was admirable rather than one that committed war crimes.
    It would be pretty hard to dress up in a KKK re-enactment and then print some kind of disclaimer that you don’t approve of their actions. It’s just bizarre. Nobody is claiming the guy is a Nazi or approves of the atrocities they committed, but it sue brings his overall judgment into question.

  • CosmosDan

    Here’s an interesting bit of history from the wikki page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts

    After the war, in the Nuremberg Trials, the Waffen-SS was condemned as a criminal organization due to its essential connection to the Party and its involvement in war crimes and the Holocaust. The exception made was for Waffen-SS conscripts sworn in after 1943, who were exempted due to their involuntary servitude.

    Granted the Wiking web page says WWII re-enactment , and has the disclaimer, but it’s still bizarre that they specifically emulate an SS group. I’ve never been part of a group like that and don’t know how they work. I suppose I can understand that being part of a larger group of WWII re-enactment you may have to pick a specific group. It’s still weird.

  • sarainitaly

    “You’d think you’d steer your son to emulating some group that was admirable rather than one that committed war crimes.”

    Iott participated in re-enactments as a Civil War Union infantryman, a World War I dough boy and World War II American infantryman and paratrooper. Is this perhaps an interesting way to learn history, and get your kid to be excited to learn about history?

    “Let’s not misrepresent what happened” I don’t think I am – but it seems many, many others are.

    If the guy is some sort of Nazi want a be, then he can GTH, but I think this is the case of a guy doing war re-enactments, and the liberal media using it to smear him. Case in point – leaving out the part that they participated in numerous different wars and roles.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge

    Its not “Nazi” reenacting, its WWII reenacting. Yet more examples of the DNC and the MSM working together to attack Republicans before November.

  • Dave Richards

    This is all the liberals have? Witches, historical re-enactments, Social Security lies, sexist lies?

    They never talk about their policies because most of them are disliked by a majority of Americans.

    These people are idiots!!!

  • sarainitaly

    While some dramatic recreations of wartime events had been staged for theatrical purposes and for military purposes (the last days in Adolf Hitler’s bunker were recreated by the actual participants at the insistence of their Soviet captors), the reenactment of World War II as a hobby traces its roots to the Historical Reenactment Society.

    Not long after the first HRS event in 1975 — an offshoot of American Civil War reenactment — World War II reenactors began to form permanent groups, each adopting the designation of a specific military unit that had served during the war.

    Some of the earlier of these organizations were 1st SS Division Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler reenactment group in Missouri and 352nd Infanterie Division 916th Grenadier Regiment II Bataillon 5 Kompanie reenactment group in New England. Since that time hundreds of units have formed worldwide, representing nearly every nationality involved in the conflict.

    Participating units often bring restored original or reproduction World War II-era vehicles and heavy weapons to these events. These vehicles and weapons include German manufactured Hetzer self-propelled assault gun, Sdkfz 251 armoured personal carrier, PaK 40 anti-tank guns, as well as many others from various countries.

    Most of the individuals that gravitate to this hobby do so out of a personal fascination with history. They may consider themselves a “history buff” and are generally very well informed on the details of their particular period of interest. These individuals often are, or at least have been, participants of other period reenactments and are fluent on the different logistical aspects of embarking into historical interpretations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reenactment
    http://www.9thguardsrifles.com/
    http://www.in-am.org/ww2/
    http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php/page,17.html
    http://www.secondinfantry.com/
    http://www.95thrifles.org/
    http://www.worldwartwohrs.org/

    Sounds like a popular, and popular activity. Who knew…

  • sarainitaly

    oops – Sounds like a popular, and common activity. Who knew…

  • CosmosDan

    sarainitaly said:
    Iott participated in re-enactments as a Civil War Union infantryman, a World War I dough boy and World War II American infantryman and paratrooper. Is this perhaps an interesting way to learn history, and get your kid to be excited to learn about history?

    That’s a fair point, but he was a member of this particular group for years and claims he quit 3 years ago. That’s fairly recent history. Look at the recruitment video. Why choose this particular group and downplay their war crimes and portray them as sort of noble warriors as the web site does. If it’s a history lesson for his son it’s a really bad one isn’t it?

    Historians of Nazi Germany vehemently dispute this characterization. “These guys don’t know their history,” said Charles W. Sydnor, Jr., a retired history professor and author of “Soldiers of Destruction: The SS Death’s Head Division, 1933-45,” which chronicles an SS division. “They have a sanitized, romanticized view of what occurred.” Sydnor added that re-enactments like the Wiking group’s are illegal in Germany and Austria. “If you were to put on an SS uniform in Germany today, you’d be arrested.”

    Trying to portray this as men playing army dress up is not accurate.
    As I said, You’d be hard pressed to do KKK dress up and then try to portray it as just historic interest. Playing the German in WWII re-enactment is one thing. Picking out a specific Nazi troupe for years and sanitizing their war crime history is more than that. I noted this,
    Christopher Browning, a professor of history at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, said, “It is so unhistorical and so apologetic that you don’t know to what degree they’ve simply caught up innocent war memorabilia enthusiasts who love putting on uniforms.”
    It could be very innocent and just what the professor says, but it’s a little strange.

  • CosmosDan

    Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge said:
    Its not “Nazi” reenacting, its WWII reenacting. Yet more examples of the DNC and the MSM working together to attack Republicans before November.

    Incorrect, they emulate a very specific group which was Nazi.

  • CosmosDan

    sarainitaly said:
    Most of the individuals that gravitate to this hobby do so out of a personal fascination with history. They may consider themselves a “history buff” and are generally very well informed on the details of their particular period of interest. These individuals often are, or at least have been, participants of other period reenactments and are fluent on the different logistical aspects of embarking into historical interpretations.

    sarainitaly said:
    oops – Sounds like a popular, and common activity. Who knew…

    I wonder why history buffs seem to distort the history of the group they choose. I suppose because they want to see it that way in order to keep participating rather then spend years portraying war criminals.That doesn’t change the real history though.

    It may be just a hobby, but as a candidate, he has to own it.

  • CosmosDan

    Dave Richards said:
    This is all the liberals have? Witches, historical re-enactments, Social Security lies, sexist lies?

    They never talk about their policies because most of them are disliked by a majority of Americans.

    These people are idiots!!!

    when long time republicans in Nevada get behind the Democratic candidate it’s a little more than that.

    new candidates with no political background to judge have their backgrounds examined. There are serious questions about ODonnell’s income and use of campaign funds, Miller’s mountain of debt, Palidino’s emails.

  • CosmosDan

    and, for those of you who like to claim Christianity is attacked while Islam is defended, Here’s Maher demonstrating the proper perspective.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1bMAd5wwBA

  • RIChris

    An historical re-enactment is not the same as membership. Are these liberal idiots for real? What about the ‘One Nation’ rally which included in the Democratic membership the Communist Party, Socialist parties and Black Panthers? Where is the line drawn between these groups and that which they suddenly abhor??? The desparation and hypocrisy of Democrats knows no bounds.

  • Some_Dude

    It is a trend now: tea bagger candidates have insane views. This deluge of idiocy coincided with the election of our first black president. Growing pains.

  • CosmosDan

    RIChris said:
    An historical re-enactment is not the same as membership. Are these liberal idiots for real? What about the ‘One Nation’ rally which included in the Democratic membership the Communist Party, Socialist parties and Black Panthers? Where is the line drawn between these groups and that which they suddenly abhor??? The desparation and hypocrisy of Democrats knows no bounds.

    Is that the same desperation and hypocrisy we see when Glenn holds up the hammer and sickle and swastika on his show?

    Nobody is painting this guy as a Nazi or a member of the party. It’s just a little bizarre that the group he belonged to for several years chose to emulate Nazi’s and dilute the horrific history of that group so they could play Nazi dress up. It doesn’t say anything about his candidacy except, WTF was he thinking?

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    Let me get this straight, if people do a civil war reenactment, the people that play the Confederates are racist?

    Just how does that work?

    If there is a WWII reenactment the people that play the Nazis are Jew haters?

    If I read history and I have a copy of Mein Kampf I am a Nazi? That only works in the twisted liberal mind.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    timzank says: “How about … Mahers respect for the 9-11 hijackers (remember “say what you want, they weren’t cowards etc”?)”

    Noting that people committing themselves to a suicidal act of war is hardly “respect.”

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Oops, got rushed:
    Noting that people committing themselves to a suicidal act of war were not cowards is hardly “respect.” It’s just a fact. The 9-11 terrorists were murderous psychopaths, but they were not cowards. It’s amazing how those on the extremes of the political spectrum can misinterpret, usually with the help of media wing-nuts, what people say. It really is as if the opposite sides of the political spectrum live in parallel universes.

    http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/paul-waldman-what-beck-says-is.html

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    gordonbloyershow says: “If I read history and I have a copy of Mein Kampf I am a Nazi?”

    Depends on how much of it you agree with.

  • writer

    I think it was Maher’s line “We’re the cowards” that threw people off.

  • CarmanK

    the man said he stayed with the group as long as his son was interested, but he quit the reenactments three years ago. This is an american adult accompanying his son on an reenactment of “the bravery” of the SS during WWII. What kind of human being teaches his son that the Naziis were ever heroic?? This man is unfit for public office and this is just another indication that the tparty is just an outlet for anger heavily financed by SHADOW MONEY. The dissatisfaction grew during the ruthless shrinkiage of the middle class under Bushies and the insult to the nation “that a black man is President”. The tpartiers are lost and they want to take the nation down the rabbit hole with them.

  • writer

    Iott is a GOP candidate. What do the tea partiers have to do with it?

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    writer says: “I think it was Maher’s line “We’re the cowards” that threw people off.”

    Understandable if true. You’ll have to document that, so I can 1) believe you and 2) get the full context if he did say that.

    (I don’t trust the word of anyone on here. SarainItaly tried to claim that Beck apologized for calling Obama a racist, but reading what was written on the links she provided showed what I already knew: no apology, no regret. He has said that he was ignorant, but that’s not news, not an apology and hasn’t changed.)

  • writer

    Bill Maher: We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it’s not cowardly

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    writer says: “Bill Maher: We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it’s not cowardly”

    Cite it: I don’t take your word. Won’t be getting back to this for a while, so take your time. I’m going to watch the Giants.

  • writer

    Good grief. He said it right after 9/11 on his Politically Incorrect show. Check out TV trivia sites, TV archives, almost anything. I know you’re an extreme lefty and your mind is made up, but geeez. BTW, still waiting for your proof that Beck is a rapist and murderer. If you have such evidence and you’re withholding it, doesn’t that make you an accomplice?

  • CosmosDan

    writer said:
    Bill Maher: We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it’s not cowardly

    That’s it. I agree with your assessment , that it was the implication that we {the US} we cowards that made it worse. Interestingly, I just looked on Wikki and saw that a guest on that day was part of the controversy.
    Bush had called the terrorists cowards.
    Dinesh D’Souza {Roots of Obama’s Rage} Dinesh D’Souza disputed Bush’s label, saying the terrorists were warriors.Maher agreed and made the controversial statement.

    Hate Bill or not , it’s not that outrageous a statement. It was just far to soon to be saying something like that and poorly phrased.

  • CosmosDan

    gordonbloyershow said:
    Let me get this straight, if people do a civil war reenactment, the people that play the Confederates are racist?

    Just how does that work?

    If there is a WWII reenactment the people that play the Nazis are Jew haters?

    If I read history and I have a copy of Mein Kampf I am a Nazi? That only works in the twisted liberal mind.

    Hey don;t tell me , tell the Young Republican guns.

    and , way to avoid the actual objection btw. good job.

  • CosmosDan

    GlennBeckReview said:
    gordonbloyershow says: “If I read history and I have a copy of Mein Kampf I am a Nazi?”

    Depends on how much of it you agree with.

    I read Eva’s book.

    Mein Flauschig Kleine Katze

    It wasn’t that great.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    writer says:
    “Good grief. He said it right after 9/11 on his Politically Incorrect show. Check out TV trivia sites”

    Having trouble figuring out the Google thing, there “writer.” You make a statement; back it up with research. Still waiting. As Cosmo Dan points out, there’s context that matters.

    Get used to this “writer,” you need to back your claims up here: the right lies too often to just accept what they — in the media or on comments — assert.

    I have to add that research is so easy to do now compared with 30 years ago when I was in grad school. Easy, “writer,” very easy. I think that even you can handle it, so stop pouting and provide me a link…or shut the hell up!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Phil-Bourekas/1538058627 Phil Bourekas

    Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
    “he told Green he has respect for the idealist young men who died in the war and enjoys studying their history.”

    So Anita Dunn can respect Mao as a philosohper and she gets run out of a job, but this Asshole has respect for idealist young Nazi men and he is too be embraced by people like Harry Flashman.

    GFY

    there is a difference between the young men in the service of their country and the philosophers and leaders of those movements. I didn’t hear him endorse Hitler in that one…

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

    Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
    “So Anita Dunn can respect Mao as a philosohper and she gets run out of a job,…”

    Dunn was joking about Mao as her “favorite” philosopher, and she was on temporary assignment in the White House. She didn’t get run out of a job. The first time Beck played that video of her, he let it play on. Her lecture conveyed individual choice and individual responsibilities. If she wasn’t joking about Mao as one of her “favorite” political philosophers, then she sure as hell didn’t understand much about Mao.

    So many myths Beck gets started, so little time.

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