Aw ,gee . Why does he hafta hang around and listen to all that grown-up talk ? Got go out and play and stuff .

“…And Then Leaves To Go To A Christmas Party!”

The priorities of The(shallow)ONE have never been in doubt.
On the other hand, when an incompetent bozo stands next to a competent professional, people see the difference. So can you really blame obozo for wanting to get away as fast as possible?

Fact: Even Clinton was trying to help the Messiah on this one because he knows if they don’t pull the trigger now the republicans write the whole new bill for it next year without the crap!

Christmas Party on December 10th? He WAS totally going to “hoop it up” and work on his mid-range jumper.

Oh, come on. He’s joking around. He was going to stand there silently as Bill Clinton talked? You know how long that can take once Clinton starts talking. Now THAT would be awkward. (Note, I am joking too – I like them both, I’d vote for Clinton for a 3rd term if I could.)

Is this the best time to finally prove you’re Christian.

Wow. What’s your problem? Unnecessary.

I’m pretty sure Obama has been on TV every day explaining the Tax Plan. Let Bill have a shot at it.

This wasn’t a press conference for the American people, it was for the progressives, who are pretty mad at Obama right now. (Cenk Uygur being one of them)

Also, it would have looked even weirder to have a joint press conference with a present and former president.

It was exactly the right thing to do.

Bad PR, bad optics, but kind of funny too. Clinton seemed genuinely surprised.

Clinton looked great though.

Between the 2 I’ll take Clinton every day of the week. Why is Obama still in our White House? The guy is in so far over his head that it has become a sad day for America. Can’t we just give Obama the next two years off so he can go play and America can get down to business. At least Clinton was able to work with Republicans and Independents and it resulted in a surplus and balanced budget.

Let Obama, Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz and O.J. Simpson have a great time as a perfect foursome on a golf course in Saudi Arabia for the next 2 years. Then they can ride off into the sunset as we forget all about them.

thanks BFD for telling me it wasn’t for americans……………..it was for the progressives ….how nice

Not only is BO punting on 3rd down…he’s now bringing in a backup quarterback so he can head to the Christmas party.

Glad he’s got his priorities straight.

One less Independent who will be organizing for him come 2011.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Even Clinton was trying to help the Messiah on this one because he knows if they don’t pull the trigger now the republicans write the whole new bill for it next year without the crap!

finally a post with some truth to it from possibly the most obnoxious poster since notsofast.

BFD said:
I’m pretty sure Obama has been on TV every day explaining the Tax Plan. Let Bill have a shot at it. This wasn’t a press conference for the American people, it was for the progressives, who are pretty mad at Obama right now. (Cenk Uygur being one of them) Also, it would have looked even weirder to have a joint press conference with a present and former president. It was exactly the right thing to do.

It is an act of desperation, let’s be honest here.

i hate to say this but president obama, should have stayed, or something else because this made him look weak to have president clinton do his selling

SpineCrusher said:
finally a post with some truth to it from possibly the most obnoxious poster since notsofast.

Fact: Count says:ahahahahahahahahah….

OK OK i’m no obama fan but while this looks BAD, it shouldnt be a huge deal. they had a meeting and he had a christmas party to attend afterwards (like all presidents do).
he had a meeting with clinton that the press has been pretty curios about.
he brought out clinton to talk to the press because we all know where he stands on the issue.
its the far left dems who are holding up the bill now, by the way.
he ran out of time and left clinton and gibbs to finish up the presser so he can attend a christmas party.

i have a christmas party to go to tonight, by the way. bye!

SpineCrusher said:
It is an act of desperation, let’s be honest here.

Fact: 1st honest post award!

Hillary was right!
The phone DID RING AT 3AM,,,
a number of times, this President WAS NOT READY for prime time,
along with his Chicago thugs that couldn’t shoot straight..
THE Clintons had to come to the rescue, be it today to discuss Policy
or during Election … How humiliating..How utterly stupid…
Obviously i never liked this President, but this is way over the line, even for these morons

Obama just plain doesn’t strike me as the type who would act out of desperation. Quite the opposite. He strikes me as confident that he’s right and got the best deal he could (I disagree, but anyway), that he’s happy to let Bill talk in favor – it doesn’t cross his mind that anybody would think it was bad optics. That’s my impression. As a former diehard Hillary for Prez supporter, I’m enjoying this turn of events, but my memories of the primary campaign tell me that there’s no way Obama would turn to Clinton for help if the situation was really one of desperation. No way.

It would be great to see if Obama just said “okay Tag. I am am done… Bill will the president for the remaining two years” and then walks off.

“This wasn’t a press conference for the American people, it was for the progressives,”

Finally admitting progressives are unAmerican BFD? Sorry, couldn’t help it…..

This is right up there with his own Party boys telling him to Fck off
and other fun sentiments…
Can u imagine someone saying this out loud to President GWBush,
or even Bill Clinton for that matter? Inside the Capitol ?
This is the stuff cartoons are made of

Fact: Dumb and Dumber. Doesn’t matter who is who on this one!

This just blew my mind . I never voted for Clinton . But I got to hand it to him . Hell Clinton even told the left to remember the conservative’s were giving into the unemployment extension . Everybody is giving and that is good . Partisans being bi-partisons .
He so up-staged Obama . Like he had to come be President for a day to wrap up a deal . This shows the empty suit Obama is . And just lame .

I saw this live, and it was one of the nuttiest things I’ve ever seen on television. White House insiders have been telling reporters on background that Obama is more disengaged than ever. It is clear from today’s debacle that Obama has no interest in doing the job he took an oath to do. If we are to believe Valerie Jarrett, it is because he is “bored”, but it’s more than that. I think he holds everyone around him, everyone in Congress, everyone in the media, and the American public in general, in contempt. He thinks everyone else is beneath him and not grateful enough for his exalted presence in the White House.

This is a big deal. Think of how it looks to our allies and enemies alike for out president to be so uninterested in doing his job. Think of how it looks to the markets (especially the buyers of our bonds), who have the power to jack up our interest rates. I am as conservative as they come, but right now, I don’t give a crap about the taxes. The overarching problem is Obama’s detachment and apathy, and it is quickly turning into a crisis for this country. I hope Obama takes this weekend to think about what he wants to do. If he decides he can’t change his mindset or his ways, he needs to gracefully step aside and let Joe Biden finish out his term. The voters can clean up the mess in 2012, as we started to do in 2010.

Tucker P. said:
This just blew my mind . I never voted for Clinton . But I got to hand it to him . Hell Clinton even told the left to remember the conservative’s were giving into the unemployment extension . Everybody is giving and that is good . Partisans being bi-partisons .He so up-staged Obama . Like he had to come be President for a day to wrap up a deal . This shows the empty suit Obama is . And just lame .

Fact: It was his (Ozero’s) package and he was the one complaining about it to the media and the ate it up!
What a ch_mp!

Tucker P. said:
He so up-staged Obama . Like he had to come be President for a day to wrap up a deal . This shows the empty suit Obama is . And just lame .

Right there is the best Election Ad for The Right to use 2012
Who can argue with that?
The best was, Obama looking at his watch and saying:”I’ve kept Michelle waiting” I have to run..
Holy screwdriver Batman,, r u kidding me??

He is the leader of the free world.
But now he is leading the conga line to the free open bar….WOOOooooow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

like leaving his wife to sell the family car while Barack runs to a bar to watch a football game he couldn’t miss

Twitter.com/PoliticalPAW

“It had begun with a surprise appearance by President Obama who then brought in a further surprise, none other than Bill Clinton, ”

I didn’t see this today, but my question is: If both Obama and Clinton were “surprises” who was it supposed to be? Who called the press conference?

Did any of you catch the look on Clinton’s face when Zippy said that “he was keeping Mooochelle waiting”? I picture a thought cloud above Clinton’s head that said,”you p_ssy – your such a girl”.

Someone tell Bernie Sanders he is late for the party.
He is holding up pictures of yachts and ragging on trust fund babies!

tgk said:
“It had begun with a surprise appearance by President Obama who then brought in a further surprise, none other than Bill Clinton, ”

I didn’t see this today, but my question is: If both Obama and Clinton were “surprises” who was it supposed to be? Who called the press conference?

It was just a normal White House briefing with Gibbs until those two showed up.

cotchie1967 said:
Did any of you catch the look on Clinton’s face when Zippy said that “he was keeping Mooochelle waiting”? I picture a thought cloud above Clinton’s head that said,”you p_ssy – your such a girl”.

I thought “Zippy” was about to answer that question of what they* had discussed earlier, while he leaned forward.
Clinton did appear to be shocked when “Zippy” took leave… I don’t know exactly what was originally planned, but it did, sure seem like Clinton was not expecting what went down…Just by the look in his face..
Strangest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

Obama is disinterested, disconnected and disgustingly inept. Obama has Clinton attempt to bail him out…..again. What part of any of this is news?

Where’s Bush and Cheney? Didn’t they get us into this mess?

Bershad nothing Obama ever did, does or can do will be to your liking. So I take this article for what your world view is worth. And who cares about Uygur, he makes his millions by running his mouth. Lucky Uygur, not so lucky laid off broke folks he trying to whip into a revolt against themselves..

Wow. When Clinton started taking questions at the end and the press corps reporters starting calling him Mr. President is where it really felt like we were in a time warp.

I’m gonna pull out my old Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains CDs now and pretend it’s 1994.

If MSNBC is saying they have never seen anything like it them it was bad. I cannot believe people on this site are really trying to say its no big deal. Our country is what? 200+ yrs old and in all this time no sub for the president unless he was shot or something or really sick but today we got to see first hand the President of the United States of America bail on the country for a party. *jaw open* I hate this man and I would have never thought he would be so…incompetent. “Sorry American people. I know I was just telling you all how important all this stuff was what with unemployment benefits running out, taxes going up, and the economy potentially tanking if it doesn’t pass but hey…Bill is here. He used to be a president too. And afterall I’m in charge of bringing the eight ball er, I mean keg so…I’m outie.

tiredofbs said:
I thought “Zippy” was about to answer that question of what they* had discussed earlier, while he leaned forward.Clinton did appear to be shocked when “Zippy” took leave… I don’t know exactly what was originally planned, but it did, sure seem like Clinton was not expecting what went down…Just by the look in his face..Strangest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

I agree. The whole damn thing was surreal.

cotchie1967 said:
Did any of you catch the look on Clinton’s face when Zippy said that “he was keeping Mooochelle waiting”? I picture a thought cloud above Clinton’s head that said,”you p_ssy – your such a girl”.

You picture a “thought cloud?” Alrighty then.

Where was Jimma’ That is Jimma Carter

Even these two thinks Jimma is useless, then then again, every day Barry looks and acts more like Jimma every day. Maybe Bill killed two birds with one stone … so to speak.

SarahP said:
You picture a “thought cloud?” Alrighty then.

Yes, he had a thought cloud about a thought cloud.

cotchie1967 said:
I agree. The whole damn thing was surreal.

Maybe you should stop taking psychotropics. Seriously, might help.

BFD said:
Yes, he had a thought cloud about a thought cloud.

So it is the psychotropics.

Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t the VP supposed to stand in for the President in official matters such as this? I know it is Joe Biden (LMAO) but that is the chain of command.

cotchie1967 said:
Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t the VP supposed to stand in for the President in official matters such as this? I know it is Joe Biden (LMAO) but that is the chain of command.

Your wrong but nice try. LMAO!!

BatBoy said:
Where was Jimma’ That is Jimma Carter

Even these two thinks Jimma is useless, then then again, every day Barry looks and acts more like Jimma every day. Maybe Bill killed two birds with one stone … so to speak.

I’ll bet I can find at least five people who think you are useless. Without breaking a sweat.

Strategically it appears to have been a mistake because though Bill adds a certain amount of credibility, a depth of knowledge and can talk the pants off of anyone, the walkout seems to be getting all of the press and those on the left who oppose the deal aren’t Bill Clinton fans, anyway.

As for the “unprecedented”, I can’t recall if I have a mental image of Obama excusing himself from a previous press conference, but I want to say that it was GWB, but I’ve been unable to fashion to right kind of search to make something obvious come up in three screens.

magicbeans said:
I cannot believe people on this site are really trying to say its no big deal.

Yeah, it is such a big deal that by Monday the press will have moved on to new and fresher meat.

When are you teabloggers gonna understand that the American people don’t give one shit about stuff like this.
They only care about working together to move this country forward, which in this instance is exactly what Obama did.

You people don’t realize this is a bigger plus for Obama than it ever will be for the GOP, even with all the whining the far left is doing.
As a matter of fact, it is BECAUSE of that whining that this will really help Obama.
He may have alienated the far left and far right, but independents like this deal.
I predict his approval rating will go up a point or two in the coming weeks. :-)

SarahP said:
You picture a “thought cloud?” Alrighty then.

A sense of humor seems to elude most libs…parents obviously did not allow you to read Peanuts.

cotchie1967 said:
A sense of humor seems to elude most libs.

Yeah, everyone knows conservatives make the best comedians.

All 2 of them.

cotchie1967 said:
A sense of humor seems to elude most libs…parents obviously did not allow you to read Peanuts.

Is that what you read?

BFD said:
I’m pretty sure Obama has been on TV every day explaining the Tax Plan. Let Bill have a shot at it.

This wasn’t a press conference for the American people, it was for the progressives, who are pretty mad at Obama right now. (Cenk Uygur being one of them)

Also, it would have looked even weirder to have a joint press conference with a present and former president.

It was exactly the right thing to do.

That’s an interesting take. I thought it looked bad. I sometimes think Obama often misses the importance of appearance. Then again, I take it this was an impromptu conference. I’m thinking Obama’s reaction is “What molehill are they making a mountain out of this time? I think a better strategy is for Clinton to make a few stops at news shows to make his point, or hold a separate news conference, but maybe his schedule wouldn’t permit it. Clinton even seemed a little surprised that Obama was leaving.

BFD said:
Yeah, everyone knows conservatives make the best comedians.

All 2 of them.

Now THAT’s funny.

cotchie1967 said:
A sense of humor seems to elude most libs…parents obviously did not allow you to read Peanuts.

or have them for brains.

Zing Bang, thanks folks I’ll be here all week.

SarahP said:
I’ll bet I can find at least five people who think you are useless. Without breaking a sweat.

Fact: Please don’t think!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Please don’t think!

You are obviously speaking from experience. You are aware that you are perhaps the dumbest ass to ever post anywhere?

SarahP said:
You are obviously speaking from experience. You are aware that you are perhaps the dumbest ass to ever post anywhere?

Fact: Liberals mean the oposite of what they say so you really so you being the dumbest poster like my ass!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Liberals mean the oposite of what they say so you really so you being the dumbest poster like my ass!

Are you a minor?

magicbeans said:
If MSNBC is saying they have never seen anything like it them it was bad. I cannot believe people on this site are really trying to say its no big deal. Our country is what? 200+ yrs old and in all this time no sub for the president unless he was shot or something or really sick but today we got to see first hand the President of the United States of America bail on the country for a party. *jaw open* I hate this man and I would have never thought he would be so…incompetent. “Sorry American people. I know I was just telling you all how important all this stuff was what with unemployment benefits running out, taxes going up, and the economy potentially tanking if it doesn’t pass but hey…Bill is here. He used to be a president too. And afterall I’m in charge of bringing the eight ball er, I mean keg so…I’m outie.

Maybe your hate is fueling an over reaction. I felt the same way about Bush.

SarahP said:
Are you a minor?

Fact: Why?
You like children?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Why?
You like children?

No, you like children.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Liberals mean the oposite of what they say

I really really appreciate your thoughtful and informative input. Thanks ever so much.

Don’t forget to tip the waitresses folks.

SarahP said:
No, you like children.

Fact: Are you a minor?

SarahP said:
No, you like children.

Okay, so you’re not a minor and just a simple dumb ass who hasn’t passed remedial English.

Fact: You have a crush on Gorden though!

SarahP said:
Okay, so you’re not a minor and just a simple dumb ass who hasn’t passed remedial English.

Fact: Thread change!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: You have a crush on Gorden though!

I take it back you are a minor and clearly a dumb ass. Bed time isn’t it? LMAO!!!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: You have a crush on Gorden though!

You have a crush on Gordon though. LMAO!!

I bet Zippy is wishing he had stayed with Clinton at the presser after a few hours [at the Christmas party] with a room full of pissed off libtards. I can think of two of them on this thread.

cotchie1967 said:
I bet Zippy is wishing he had stayed with Clinton at the presser after a few hours [at the Christmas party] with a room full of pissed off libtards. I can think of two of them on this thread.

You buffoons are goo for a laugh. Not much else, but you are good for a laugh. LOL!!

Secret Muslims don’t go to Christmas parties.

If Obama can’t handle the job he should just admit it and not drag Bill to the stage.

cotchie1967 said:
I bet Zippy is wishing he had stayed with Clinton at the presser after a few hours [at the Christmas party] with a room full of pissed off libtards. I can think of two of them on this thread.

For the sake of posterity, just wondering if you could post something even more stupid that this. Thanks!!

SarahP said:
I’ll bet I can find at least five people who think you are useless. Without breaking a sweat.

That would be all liberals voting…but sorry to say…libs can only qualify for 2/5 of a vote, so to get your 5, you would have to find 13 of you nuts roaming free and I doubt there are that many libs on the loose at one time.

I’ll take my chances!!!!

my political memory goes back to the 1960 Nixon-Kennedy debates, and I’ve never seen anything like this either.

to pretend that “Obama had talked enough and was just giving Bill his chance,” as someone above noted, is ludicrous. but forget why they decided to pull this. it was for any reason a really really stupid move.

comparing Obama to Clinton does Obama no favors. Clinton is a master of the art of engaging people: he’s also TRULY brilliant, as opposed to this mythologized intellect Obama supposedly has but never shows. in 30 seconds at that podium, he radiated more knowledge and competence than Obama ever has.

uh ps “Sarah”: if you’re going to try to insult people, you might want to check your spelling. otherwise it is YOU who ends up being “goo” for a laugh.

That was jaw droppingly bizarre. Obama introduces Clinton then bails to go to a party, leaving Bill to discuss a critically important issue. Nobody will be talking about Clinton’s points, they’ll only be talking about how completely unbelievably bad Obama looked. FAIL is a massive understatement.

BatBoy said:
That would be all liberals voting…but sorry to say…libs can only qualify for 2/5 of a vote, so to get your 5, you would have to find 13 of you nuts roaming free and I doubt there are that many libs on the loose at one time.

I’ll take my chances!!!!

Okay batshit , i think I can find at least 10, that’s right, 10 people who think you are a worthless piece of shit.

‘ I’ve never seen anything like this’

Precisely what I was thinking the entire time!

michiganruth said:
my political memory goes back to the 1960 Nixon-Kennedy debates, and I’ve never seen anything like this either.

to pretend that “Obama had talked enough and was just giving Bill his chance,” as someone above noted, is ludicrous. but forget why they decided to pull this. it was for any reason a really really stupid move.

comparing Obama to Clinton does Obama no favors. Clinton is a master of the art of engaging people: he’s also TRULY brilliant, as opposed to this mythologized intellect Obama supposedly has but never shows. in 30 seconds at that podium, he radiated more knowledge and competence than Obama ever has.

uh ps “Sarah”: if you’re going to try to insult people, you might want to check your spelling. otherwise it is YOU who ends up being “goo” for a laugh.

You are just an embarrassment.

I doubt if this was the first time Bill was left hanging.

milynily said:
I doubt if this was the first time Bill was left hanging.

You don’t begrudge Bill his intern do you?

This is sparta! I mean madness.

I know of two occasions on which Dear Leader has pulled similar moves: (1) he left a private fundraising dinner without even eating, saying he had to go home and walk the dog; and (2) he left a presser somewhere in Asia (?) saying he had a plane to catch or something similar. So not really unprecedented. He doesn’t seem to care about optics at all.

kit9 said:
That was jaw droppingly bizarre. Obama introduces Clinton then bails to go to a party, leaving Bill to discuss a critically important issue. Nobody will be talking about Clinton’s points, they’ll only be talking about how completely unbelievably bad Obama looked. FAIL is a massive understatement.

Maybe the fail is ours for allowing ourselves to be distracted by petty bullshit presented by the press.

It was not a scheduled press conference that Obama bailed on. He and Clinton being there was a surprise that they decided on after their meeting, probably because we only have a few days left to reach an agreement before the tax cuts expire for working folks.
While I think it was politically a bad choice it’s pretty small potatoes when we look at real issues that matter to real people. Hardly a massive fail.

If anyone ever wanted to know the definition of INEXPERIENCE, this White House press briefing is best definition so far.(i.e. without considering the $3 trillion dollars in new debt spent in just 21 months, and a 9.8% unemployment to show for it)

And according to this report, the former President “took over the podium”; which kind of reminds me of the saying: “Never send a Boy to do a Man’s job”

I hope Americans never make this mistake EVER again!

And if Americans are ever going to vote for a totally inexperienced LEADER, it better be one that at least knows the job description, understands and has respect for the US constitution and traditional values that made America the world’s greatest country. If the founders all down to Reagan were Obama-like, the USA would be similar to China now, or Cuba and North Korea, with full Marxist systems in place.

By the way, imagine with whom Obama seeks political refuge: BJ Clinton (Blow Job Clinton or Bill Jefferson Clinton); a person without shame of his own; a President who treated America with such contempt and disrespect, having sexual encounters(and first lying blatantly about them) in the same office Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan once served the country they loved so much.

Lewinsky had nine sexual encounters with Bill Clinton as follows:

* November 15, 1995, in the private study of the Oval Office
* November 17, 1995, while Bill Clinton was on the phone with a member of Congress
* December 31, 1995, in a White House study
* January 7, 1996, in the Oval Office
* January 21, 1996, in the hallway by the private study next to the Oval Office
* February 4, 1996, while Clinton was meeting in the Oval Office
* March 31, 1996, in the hallway near the study of the Oval Office
* February 28, 1997, near the Oval Office, when the blue dress stains were created
* March 29, 1997 (Clinton denied that this day’s encounter actually happened.)

According to her published schedule, First Lady Hillary Clinton was at the White House for at least some portion of five of these stated days.

When a sitting US President seeks political refuge in one of the only two US Presidents that was ever impeached, then it tells you a lot about the type of administration currently running the Country. It is like George W. Bush seeking political refuge in Richard Nixon.

Jon Bershad wrote: “Obviously, Clinton is probably a more popular Democratic figure right now” Well, I don’t dispute that fact Jon, but then it tells you a lot about the Democrat electorate and their base of “dummy votes”.

I am grateful that God himself is Conservative, I wonder how the earth would have been like if he were a Social Liberal.

Let’s see how the Left likes it when we apply all of their usual interpretations of everybody who disagrees with the President. Here goes:

Congressional Democrats are HOLDING OBAMA CAPTIVE

Congressional Democrats are THE PARTY OF NO

Dealing with Congressional Democrats is like DEALING WITH TERRORISTS

The Congressional Democrats who oppose Obama are demonstrating RACISM STRAIGHT UP.

Congressional Democrats HAVE NO SOLUTIONS AND ARE JUST BEING OBSTRUCTIONIST.

Etc. etc.

I learned all these things from the hosts on MSNBC, who have taught me all the possible reasons why a politician might oppose the President.

Palin leaves to save her state hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in ethics complaints charges, Obama leaves mid conference for a party.

Can anybody tell me where to go to find the entire 25 minute video of Clinton taking questions??? I mean I’m a Conservative republican but as far as Democrats go, Bill Clinton is my hero! I mean he balanced the budget and got a BJ while talking on the phone in the oval office to some other country’s leader. Talk about a multi-tasker…kudos.

Seriously man, are there any more people that that think that this asshole’s anything more than a minor league chump? Jesus Christ, even Bill Clinton looks like Abraham Lincoln compared to this fucking douche. Shit man, are you libs / progs embarrassed or what?

The Far Left complains, but mark my words, after these tax cuts are extended, Obama’s approval rating will rise, and the economy will start to recover. Showing Clinton-esque independence from the ultra-left statists, adopting a truly bipartisan stance, and letting people keep more of their hard-earned money — these will all be winners. It’s not even close….

The fact that the ideologues on MSNBC don’t see this just confirms the point. Remember that Rachel, Keith, Ed and Chris are the same people who said that the stimulus would work, and that Obama would get rewarded by voters for forcing through the unpopular healthcare bill. They have so little comprehension of the voters’ mood that one can only laugh at their off-the-wall and invariably wrong prognostications.

Did any one really see the whole thing? I did. Once they got past the the tax questions they started talking about Bill and what Bill is doing. Bill loves to talk. At that point Obama added no value to the conversation. It was much like around the drinking fountain conversation. It was not a formal press conference. I’m glad to see Obama seeking the advice of others. It shows he heard the voice of the people on November 2nd. I’m sadden by the fact that MSNBC may such a big deal of it. I’m sure Hannity will cease is opportunity tonight on his show as well.

Pokerdude777 said:
Can anybody tell me where to go to find the entire 25 minute video of Clinton taking questions???

The C-SPAN video library is my go-to source and the full presser is here.

Shows you who runs the White House. His wife. Clinton looked relieved and seemed to get down to business when BO left.

Something else different. Obama is worried about getting crap from Michelle if he arrives a few minutes late for her Christmas Party. Clinton doesn’t know and doesn’t want to know where Hillary is. There are more important things going on.

As much as he is like a fish out of water in the presidency I actually feel sorry for the guy. Is there anyway Obama can quit early?

BFD said:
It was exactly the right thing to do.

Yes. He should go party and let Clinton be President more often.

This looks small. Like “I’m gonna tell Dad!” Small. Definite Daddy issues at play here. This probably would have been a very different administration if Ted Kennedy were still alive.

kit9 said:
That was jaw droppingly bizarre. Obama introduces Clinton then bails to go to a party, leaving Bill to discuss a critically important issue. Nobody will be talking about Clinton’s points, they’ll only be talking about how completely unbelievably bad Obama looked. FAIL is a massive understatement.

You all make me laugh when you go after Obama about all this nit picking stuff. Bush acted like an idiot for eight yeats and I suppose we said all the terrible things about him that you all now do to Obama.

BlackWidow said:
You all make me laugh when you go after Obama about all this nit picking stuff. Bush acted like an idiot for eight yeats and I suppose we said all the terrible things about him that you all now do to Obama.

When did Bush walk into a press conference and let his Dad do all the talking?

felixw said:
The Far Left complains, but mark my words, after these tax cuts are extended, Obama’s approval rating will rise, and the economy will start to recover. Showing Clinton-esque independence from the ultra-left statists, adopting a truly bipartisan stance, and letting people keep more of their hard-earned money — these will all be winners. It’s not even close…. The fact that the ideologues on MSNBC don’t see this just confirms the point. Remember that Rachel, Keith, Ed and Chris are the same people who said that the stimulus would work, and that Obama would get rewarded by voters for forcing through the unpopular healthcare bill. They have so little comprehension of the voters’ mood that one can only laugh at their off-the-wall and invariably wrong prognostications.

Twit! The economy has already started recovering. President Obama has bought the stock market back to the pre-W Depression days. If anything, the lost opportunity to pay down the budget deficit will stall the economy.

Remember how Poppy ended the Raygun Recession? Wasn’t by reducing tax revenues.

LOGICandREASON said:
If anyone ever wanted to know the definition of INEXPERIENCE, this White House press briefing is best definition so far.(i.e. without considering the $3 trillion dollars in new debt spent in just 21 months, and a 9.8% unemployment to show for it) And according to this report, the former President “took over the podium”; which kind of reminds me of the saying: “Never send a Boy to do a Man’s job” I hope Americans never make this mistake EVER again! And if Americans are ever going to vote for a totally inexperienced LEADER, it better be one that at least knows the job description, understands and has respect for the US constitution and traditional values that made America the world’s greatest country. If the founders all down to Reagan were Obama-like, the USA would be similar to China now, or Cuba and North Korea, with full Marxist systems in place. By the way, imagine with whom Obama seeks political refuge: BJ Clinton (Blow Job Clinton or Bill Jefferson Clinton); a person without shame of his own; a President who treated America with such contempt and disrespect, having sexual encounters(and first lying blatantly about them) in the same office Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan once served the country they loved so much. Lewinsky had nine sexual encounters with Bill Clinton as follows: * November 15, 1995, in the private study of the Oval Office* November 17, 1995, while Bill Clinton was on the phone with a member of Congress* December 31, 1995, in a White House study* January 7, 1996, in the Oval Office* January 21, 1996, in the hallway by the private study next to the Oval Office* February 4, 1996, while Clinton was meeting in the Oval Office* March 31, 1996, in the hallway near the study of the Oval Office* February 28, 1997, near the Oval Office, when the blue dress stains were created* March 29, 1997 (Clinton denied that this day’s encounter actually happened.) According to her published schedule, First Lady Hillary Clinton was at the White House for at least some portion of five of these stated days. When a sitting US President seeks political refuge in one of the only two US Presidents that was ever impeached, then it tells you a lot about the type of administration currently running the Country. It is like George W. Bush seeking political refuge in Richard Nixon. Jon Bershad wrote: “Obviously, Clinton is probably a more popular Democratic figure right now” Well, I don’t dispute that fact Jon, but then it tells you a lot about the Democrat electorate and their base of “dummy votes”. I am grateful that God himself is Conservative, I wonder how the earth would have been like if he were a Social Liberal.

Are you Tumbleweed, otherwise known as Sara N. Italy? The reason I ask is that was a derivative and redundant post, simplistic to its core, and insufferably boring. From News Maxipad?

The Real Royal King said:
President Obama has bought the stock market back to the pre-W Depression days.

Yeah, but what can he sell it for?

Finally, America has a black President again.

The Real Royal King said:
Twit!

Descriptive term for people who regularly use the phrase “mark my words” in comment sections.

The Real Royal King said:
Are you Tumbleweed, otherwise known as Sara N. Italy?

Might as well be Sara since I passed right over the comment due to its excessive wordiness.

.

I just read about this on the Daily Caller. Wow! Someone somewhere just said, “Did Obama just quit?” Well, I believe that that’s entirely possible. And all the while, pathetic Bernie Sanders is yapping away… This to too surreal to believe!

“I’ve never seen anything like that,”

Well I guess Cenk didn’t see Bush sit in a grade school classroom for 8mins reading “My Pet Goat” after being told the country was under attack. You RW idiots do know that the President of the United States does have a tight schedule don’t you. Did you ever think that Obama and Clinton meeting might have run over and they discussed it beforehand? BTW, Clinton looked happy to be in that situation. Of course you Fox loving nitwits wouldn’t have seen the whole thing anyway. Since they didn’t even show the whole thing. I switched over a couple time from MSNBC to Fox and all Fox had was Neil Cavuto running his mouth.

AH AH AH AH AH !

Fox News: Better that we sell Hate than Crack said:
Descriptive term for people who regularly use the phrase “mark my words” in comment sections. Might as well be Sara since I passed right over the comment due to its excessive wordiness. .

Fact: Count Look it’s the poster that has a guy sucking what appears to be a dick in his mouth on there avatar!
AH AH AH AH AH

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Count Look it’s the poster that has a guy sucking what appears to be a dick in his mouth

How come you RWers are so obsessed with thing like that?

the real john t said:
“I’ve never seen anything like that,”

Well I guess Cenk didn’t see Bush sit in a grade school classroom for 8mins reading “My Pet Goat” after being told the country was under attack. You RW idiots do know that the President of the United States does have a tight schedule don’t you. Did you ever think that Obama and Clinton meeting might have run over and they discussed it beforehand? BTW, Clinton looked happy to be in that situation. Of course you Fox loving nitwits wouldn’t have seen the whole thing anyway. Since they didn’t even show the whole thing. I switched over a couple time from MSNBC to Fox and all Fox had was Neil Cavuto running his mouth.

But Obama ran as Hope and Change and what the US needed to shake itself of George Bush. Any comparison to Bush is irrelevant. He should stand on his own antics and record.

the real john t said:
How come you RWers are so obsessed with thing like that?

Fact: Not a gayboy fan!

All I keep thinking about after reading this is, “It took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush, it may take another Clinton to clean up after the second one”.

This just reinforces how weak and inexperienced Obama truly is. So weak he has to call in dad, while he runs off to a party!

Hillary Clinton Ad – 3 AM White House Ringing Phone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yr7odFUARg

Judge Mental said:
I know of two occasions on which Dear Leader has pulled similar moves: (1) he left a private fundraising dinner without even eating, saying he had to go home and walk the dog; and (2) he left a presser somewhere in Asia (?) saying he had a plane to catch or something similar. So not really unprecedented. He doesn’t seem to care about optics at all.

“This gentleman right here — he’s got his hand up,” Obama said. “He’s the only one who took me up on it. Go ahead. And I’ll probably need a translation, though, if you’re asking the question in Korean. In fact, I definitely will need a translation.”

“Unfortunately, I hate to disappoint you, President Obama, I’m actually Chinese,” the reporter said.
“All right, thank you very much, everybody,” Obama said after giving a concise answer. “I’m late for my flight.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/OFA/gGM8Y7

Mr. Obama concluded his remarks at about 7:30, saying he couldn’t stay for dinner.
“I’ve got to go home to tuck in the girls and walk the dog and scoop the poop,” he said.

http://newsblog.projo.com/2010/10/obama-speaks-at-chace-house-sk.html

The Real Royal King said:
Are you Tumbleweed, otherwise known as Sara N. Italy?

Obsess much?

Lets be honest , Barack went to go get Bill some coffee.

LOL

murf said:
Lets be honest , Barack went to go get Bill some coffee.

LOL

Hahhhhaha that’s great!

Another narcissistic moment from The One. WOW!! This made him look pathetic and weak.

murf said:
Lets be honest , Barack went to go get Bill some coffee. LOL

THREADWINNER!!!!

That is hilarious…

magicbeans says:
December 10, 2010 at 6:42 pm (Quote)
23 4
If MSNBC is saying they have never seen anything like it them it was bad. I cannot believe people on this site are really trying to say its no big deal. Our country is what? 200+ yrs old and in all this time no sub for the president unless he was shot or something or really sick but today we got to see first hand the President of the United States of America bail on the country for a party. *jaw open* I hate this man and I would have never thought he would be so…incompetent. “Sorry American people. I know I was just telling you all how important all this stuff was what with unemployment benefits running out, taxes going up, and the economy potentially tanking if it doesn’t pass but hey…Bill is here. He used to be a president too. And afterall I’m in charge of bringing the eight ball er, I mean keg so…I’m outie.

Wow how do you about “eight balls”I know from your postings here you are obviously strung out on something, personally I thought it was Meth, Crank does that come in 8 balls?

Ha- Barry has to bring in a real president to sell this thing.

Even Obama knows that he is in over his head. Its a shame that many of the D-Baggers (BFD) haven’t yet figured it out though.

BFD said:
I’m pretty sure Obama has been on TV every day explaining the Tax Plan. Let Bill have a shot at it.

This wasn’t a press conference for the American people, it was for the progressives, who are pretty mad at Obama right now. (Cenk Uygur being one of them)

Also, it would have looked even weirder to have a joint press conference with a present and former president.

It was exactly the right thing to do.

With this asinine assessment you should cease posting here. Quit this board, just like barry quit his own press conference, change your screen name and try to continue on. Any shred of competence you might have had is now blown away (just like barry) and you are exposed for the idiot that you are.

What has to happen for the sycophants to finally see that this president is more of an empty suit than any could have imagined? GAH! It boggles the mind.

BFD, like the AP and the NYTimes, excuse Obama’s behavior as just giving Clinton the chance to explain it, that hehimself is so self conident he has no problem turning the podium over to Slick. Bwahahahaha The lengths to which the liberal democrat media will cover for this empty suit is just laughable. Imagine, if it were a R president who did this — the excoriation would know no bounds.

This is an interesting event, especially given the recent conversations that the Presidency is too big for just one man. Too funny, the manchild, the empty suit, the big ZERO, has to go to a party and can’t be too concerned with talking to the media, and yet the media excuse his behavior as ok.

Unefinbelievable.

SarahP said:
You are obviously speaking from experience. You are aware that you are perhaps the dumbest ass to ever post anywhere?

Hey Ted, stick it!

Bill has a better chance of getting re-elected in 2012. This is another example of an awkward “told you so” moment for Obama not being President material.

SarahP said:
Okay batshit , i think I can find at least 10, that’s right, 10 people who think you are a worthless piece of shit.

Remember “Felons” cannot vote!

No votes can come from the Trunk of Your Car…you know how you folks do things.

No Dead People can vote…you know how they dig those people up just to vote.

That really ties you down…doesn’t it.

murf said:
Lets be honest , Barack went to go get Bill some coffee.

LOL

That’s funny.

sarainitaly said:
Hillary Clinton Ad – 3 AM White House Ringing Phone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yr7odFUARg

“This gentleman right here — he’s got his hand up,” Obama said. “He’s the only one who took me up on it. Go ahead. And I’ll probably need a translation, though, if you’re asking the question in Korean. In fact, I definitely will need a translation.”

“Unfortunately, I hate to disappoint you, President Obama, I’m actually Chinese,” the reporter said.
“All right, thank you very much, everybody,” Obama said after giving a concise answer. “I’m late for my flight.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/OFA/gGM8Y7

Mr. Obama concluded his remarks at about 7:30, saying he couldn’t stay for dinner.
“I’ve got to go home to tuck in the girls and walk the dog and scoop the poop,” he said.

http://newsblog.projo.com/2010/10/obama-speaks-at-chace-house-sk.html

Seriously, do you think those two minor incidents relate at all to the message of Hillary’s ad?

Obama has practically allowed Pelosi and Reid to govern this country, since taking office, and he brings in Bill Clinton to hopefully prop him up, while, he, Obama, has participated mostly in the ‘fun’ side of being president. Now Obama has come to fully realize, that those 2 old ugly bats, Pelosi and Reid, could cost him in 2012, and he wants to kick them to the curb. Good luck with that, Obama. Those 2 old bats and their handful of fringe left buddies, are going to fight every step of the way, to maintain their control. Great entertainment. Pelosi is one scorned almost ex-Maj. leader. LOL.

Thought about this overnight. My initial reaction was “Holy Crap that was a bad call” because it sure doesn’t look presidential. I read some comments over at HuffPo and here,

Yes, superficially it looks bad and may have been a bad call when it comes to appearances. For a lot of average citizens appearances do matter but let’s face it. It’s just superficial.

I’ve heard and read several comments saying that now everyone will be focusing on this incident rather than focusing on the substance of what Bill had to say, as if that’s Obama’s fault. I’m thinking it’s probably the media’s fault and partially our fault as well. Rather than focus on the issue and the details we’d rather focus on superficial bullshit. The media dishes it up and we talk about it for a few days and then they and we move on to the next superficial bullshit. Just as BFD correctly called it the first time.
Are we going to remain that juvenile, and be distracted by every jangle of some new set of keys?

So a somewhat crucial issue that will affect a lot of hard working folks is being dealt with, and Obama takes a meeting with a former president to try and resolve it. They decide, right or wrong, to have an impromptu press conference and since the goal is for Bill to try and persuade the Dems objecting to the deal, that it’s the best they’re going to get considering political realities, Obama decides to keep his previous engagement.
Was it ideal? No. Still, it’s superficial bullshit in the grand scheme of things.

Great edit of the highlights. Hillary was right about Obama, and the country has learned it now.

“Obama suddenly announced that he was leaving for a Christmas party and vanished, letting Clinton talk for 25 more minutes as if it was 1996!”

It just reminded people of how incompetent Obama really is! He looked and sounded like a silly sidekick with Bill Clinton standing up there.

It also gave people the impression that Michelle Obama wears the pants in the family.

“Obama could have left to go play hoops.”

That would have been the icing on the cake!

American business used to be about making money. But for the last 15 or more years, Big Business has been quietly changing its emphasis, and the net image is the 2 kinds of Marxism: cultural and economic (wealth redistribution).
Here in the US we had the CRA and its nefarious effects, and many conservatives continue to say this was a top-down imposition by government. I say hogwash.
There were plenty such policies imposed by banks and companies themselves that followed a clear-cut leftist pattern in terms of both the run of the mill wealth redistribution and cultural Marxism. For example I checked out the web sites of many of the institutions that were seen as being in trouble, and all of them had suspicious looking giveaway policies. These were not standard old-fashioned children’s and orphans funds by any means. A lot of the money was going to organizations like the Rainbow Coalition, Gay Olympics, scholarships for minorities (no whites need apply), anti-global warming and feminist organizations — to anyone but the truly needy. Some, like Ford, openly supported gay marriage. despite the protests of millions of customers.
The CEOs and higher-ups were also heavily involved in such “charity” organizations. Some had started their own. Again, nothing down-homey sounding like help for the poor and fatherless or scholarships for achievers. Not even close.
These CEOs were clearly far-left activists and it was very obvious that none of them gave a rat’s patootey about whether the company made money. They were preoccupied with pleasing interest groups, far-left ones. It was only a matter of time before this all collapsed. It had to with all those termites in the foundation. The fact that even one company or bank got public funds is a slap in the face to every working American. We ought to all be beyond mad, seething, ready to tear their walls down — Bastille mad.
The many companies targeted by organizations like the Family Research Council and the American Family Association because of anti-Christian and pro-gay activism were the biggest companies in the US. Ford, Target, Home Depot, Coca Cola, Pepsi, McDonald’s, etc.
Many are still at it.
This is why I have always insisted that free-market capitalism is dead.
People on the far left deliberately and quietly jockeyed for high positions in business and finance and took over the market in hopes of capturing it and forcing their clients into submission. Only the family organizations helped back some of them down, but even they were not entirely above board, having received large donations from RINO candidates like Mitt.
So even if you look only at US companies and banks, it is clear that there is a concerted effort to take over the country for the 2 main goals of Marxism: wealth distribution and the elimination of Christian values, including family values that are not strictly associated with this one religion but have been hallmarks of civilization itself.
But if the US situation is clear enough proof of a Marxist tone, this is further highlighted by a quick look at Europe: The Redcar steel plant in the UK was shut down through government shenanigans and moved to India, where UK taxpayers, after losing 7500 jobs at Redcar, were forced to pay the owners almost a billion dollars in carbon credits (because it is alleged the new plant will be slightly more efficient and burn less carbon).
Long before Greece’s economy started to fail, the EU knew that its socialist practices (such as retirement before the age of 60) were irresponsible. In fact, I believe Greece was warned. Yet when Greece applied for membership into the EU, they were admitted — over a few muted protests — and then continued unabated the practices that led to their current situation. At one point a few years ago, they surpassed the limit of public indebtedness and just kept going. The EU turned a blind eye. Not because they were trying not to believe it. They had engineered the collapse. Their PURPOSE is wealth redistribution. The richest Greek, a billionaire, made a cool billion euros on the bailout deal.
Anyone in the EU who had looked at Greece’s books shortly after they joined the EU had to have seen they were headed for disaster. The same applies to Portugal, Spain, Ireland and Italy.
Why were they allowed to drift away from the founding economic principles?
I defy anyone to say it was an accident or that the EU was not keeping close enough tabs on them.
The current bailouts, paid for mostly by Germany and to some extent by other rich countries like the UK, are wealth redistribution on perhaps the grandest scale ever seen and it was no accident.
Worse, the EU Parliament keeps making laws that are more and more draconian, targeting Christian speech. Almost no one in Europe dares to sully a homosexual or suggest that homosexuality is not godly or not natural. The Association of Evangelicals caved on that issue. And on the issue of Islamization. What could be more obviously anti-Christian than the importation of millions (now ca. 56 mil) of Muslims who hate Christians and European civilization? When the Muslims hold a rally and throw stones or hurl insults at Europeans, esp Jews, and when the police are called, they almost invariably wind up arresting non-Muslims who complain the loudest because they have been assaulted by the Muslims.
Some schools in Germany are intolerable for native German kids, who are constantly spit at, insulted, physically abused and harassed by a Muslim majority student population.
The only consolation is that a region without law and order cannot last. It will implode or people will take matters into their own hands.
Politicians who oppose Muslim immigration, once almost non-existent, are now among the most popular in some countries like Holland, Austria and the UK, although they are still repressed and persecuted by the elitists.
The elites are losing their power under the weight of the injustice they have wrought. Once a tipping point is reached, it will be a beautiful thing to watch the end of this worldwide dictatorship.
It will come at a cost, but it is our patriotic — and Christian — duty to resist evil.

Both Obama and Clinton were doing what they were qualified to do. Sorry, but that’s as good as it gets with Obama.

You just can’t beat Bill when it comes to SPIN, he is the best. Now just take a gander at the photo, the first black president, silver hair and disgraced and disbarred lawyer, and the first half black president, incompetent to say the least, standing together. Makes you wonder why we haven’t all rushed to the sea in a major lemming suicide pact. All they needed to round out a wanted poster for the democratic party was Pelosi, Reed and Frank

cjd ohio 1 said:
i hate to say this but president obama, should have stayed, or something else because this made him look weak to have president clinton do his selling

Agreed! One aspect of the Presidency Obama does not understand is “selling the idea.” Instead, when called to the carpet, Obama gets angry that he is even questioned and then calls people names. “Hostage takers”, “enemies”, etc. That attitude should be left behind closed doors.

Do we need any more proof that O wasn’t ready to take the O-val O-ffice?

Observe the hatred vomited forth from the Right-Wing goons. Every morning thay awake with bitterness, envy, and hatred. Wear their masks & false-faces for as long as necessary – then return “home” for more misery. And THAT’S as good as it EVER gets for them. Imagine living a “life” like that! Intellectual/moral/ethical thugs “living” inside a tiny, misfiring brain. Ah, but as even time nears, will be time to take more sips of courage, pretend-masculinity, life-support. As they continue to suck blood from the Great Hound of Life. Pitiful little creatures, are they not?? Regressive, depressive, repressive. “The rancid masses.”

Hey, how do you libs like this guy? He’s gonna be your salvation, no?

The guy sees doing actual work as president as a hassle, he thinks he won the lotto (and basically he did, due to retards) and sees you and I as serfs while he jets around and becomes the laughing stock of the world.

Nachi said:
Observe the hatred vomited forth from the Right-Wing goons. Every morning thay awake with bitterness, envy, and hatred. Wear their masks & false-faces for as long as necessary – then return “home” for more misery. And THAT’S as good as it EVER gets for them. Imagine living a “life” like that! Intellectual/moral/ethical thugs “living” inside a tiny, misfiring brain. Ah, but as even time nears, will be time to take more sips of courage, pretend-masculinity, life-support. As they continue to suck blood from the Great Hound of Life. Pitiful little creatures, are they not?? Regressive, depressive, repressive. “The rancid masses.”

Fact: How many daisies have you smelt today?

CosmosDan said:
Seriously, do you think those two minor incidents relate at all to the message of Hillary’s ad?

Golly, does EVERYTHING have to be spelled out or so literal for you people?

Nowhere did I say the two things had anything to do with the ad. I posted the 3am ad just because it made me giggle in light of the topic – Obama is an inexperienced empty suit, who can’t handle his job. And it is a continuation of my comment directly above it.

The links were to provide the actual occurrences that Judge mental was referring to – the terrible PR optics.

If those things had anything to do with the 3am ad they ad would of had to say that Obama wasn’t there to answer the phone because he had a party to get to, or he just doesn’t give a ratsass. Her ad was about not being ready to lead – which he isn’t. Hence calling in the Big Dog.

Seriously, is Obama cracking under the pressure?

The Real Royal King said:
Twit! The economy has already started recovering. President Obama has bought the stock market back to the pre-W Depression days. If anything, the lost opportunity to pay down the budget deficit will stall the economy.

Remember how Poppy ended the Raygun Recession? Wasn’t by reducing tax revenues.

You are still an idiot. Do you have any sense of what’s happening in the US economy? Unemployment has gotten worse under Obama. GDP has declined. Businesses have gone bankrupt. Home prices have dropped. Banks continue to go broke. Stocks have recovered somewhat, but because of the foreign income of the US corporations, who are increasingly making their money in Asia and other places that pursue smarter, free market economies.

Go back to comparing the Fox News audience to the number of grains of sand in the Sahara Desert. Or pretending you are a girl. Or the other classless things you do daily on this web site. Economics is something you clearly know nothing about.

I’m pretty sure Obama has been on TV every day explaining the Tax Plan. Let Bill have a shot at it.
This wasn’t a press conference for the American people, it was for the progressives, who are pretty mad at Obama right now. (Cenk Uygur being one of them)
Also, it would have looked even weirder to have a joint press conference with a present and former president.
It was exactly the right thing to do.
Right on BFD—I can’t beleive the vuglar language and stupid comment from I guess professional Bloggers.l Bejesus this country has dumb down– negative negative and must feel good but your boring comment reflect it. Obama did just fine.

Tater Salad said:
American business used to be about making money. But for the last 15 or more years, Big Business has been quietly changing its emphasis, and the net image is the 2 kinds of Marxism: cultural and economic (wealth redistribution).Here in the US we had the CRA and its nefarious effects, and many conservatives continue to say this was a top-down imposition by government. I say hogwash.There were plenty such policies imposed by banks and companies themselves that followed a clear-cut leftist pattern in terms of both the run of the mill wealth redistribution and cultural Marxism. For example I checked out the web sites of many of the institutions that were seen as being in trouble, and all of them had suspicious looking giveaway policies. These were not standard old-fashioned children’s and orphans funds by any means. A lot of the money was going to organizations like the Rainbow Coalition, Gay Olympics, scholarships for minorities (no whites need apply), anti-global warming and feminist organizations — to anyone but the truly needy. Some, like Ford, openly supported gay marriage. despite the protests of millions of customers.The CEOs and higher-ups were also heavily involved in such “charity” organizations. Some had started their own. Again, nothing down-homey sounding like help for the poor and fatherless or scholarships for achievers. Not even close.These CEOs were clearly far-left activists and it was very obvious that none of them gave a rat’s patootey about whether the company made money. They were preoccupied with pleasing interest groups, far-left ones. It was only a matter of time before this all collapsed. It had to with all those termites in the foundation. The fact that even one company or bank got public funds is a slap in the face to every working American. We ought to all be beyond mad, seething, ready to tear their walls down — Bastille mad.The many companies targeted by organizations like the Family Research Council and the American Family Association because of anti-Christian and pro-gay activism were the biggest companies in the US. Ford, Target, Home Depot, Coca Cola, Pepsi, McDonald’s, etc.Many are still at it.This is why I have always insisted that free-market capitalism is dead.People on the far left deliberately and quietly jockeyed for high positions in business and finance and took over the market in hopes of capturing it and forcing their clients into submission. Only the family organizations helped back some of them down, but even they were not entirely above board, having received large donations from RINO candidates like Mitt.So even if you look only at US companies and banks, it is clear that there is a concerted effort to take over the country for the 2 main goals of Marxism: wealth distribution and the elimination of Christian values, including family values that are not strictly associated with this one religion but have been hallmarks of civilization itself.But if the US situation is clear enough proof of a Marxist tone, this is further highlighted by a quick look at Europe: The Redcar steel plant in the UK was shut down through government shenanigans and moved to India, where UK taxpayers, after losing 7500 jobs at Redcar, were forced to pay the owners almost a billion dollars in carbon credits (because it is alleged the new plant will be slightly more efficient and burn less carbon).Long before Greece’s economy started to fail, the EU knew that its socialist practices (such as retirement before the age of 60) were irresponsible. In fact, I believe Greece was warned. Yet when Greece applied for membership into the EU, they were admitted — over a few muted protests — and then continued unabated the practices that led to their current situation. At one point a few years ago, they surpassed the limit of public indebtedness and just kept going. The EU turned a blind eye. Not because they were trying not to believe it. They had engineered the collapse. Their PURPOSE is wealth redistribution. The richest Greek, a billionaire, made a cool billion euros on the bailout deal.Anyone in the EU who had looked at Greece’s books shortly after they joined the EU had to have seen they were headed for disaster. The same applies to Portugal, Spain, Ireland and Italy.Why were they allowed to drift away from the founding economic principles?I defy anyone to say it was an accident or that the EU was not keeping close enough tabs on them.The current bailouts, paid for mostly by Germany and to some extent by other rich countries like the UK, are wealth redistribution on perhaps the grandest scale ever seen and it was no accident.Worse, the EU Parliament keeps making laws that are more and more draconian, targeting Christian speech. Almost no one in Europe dares to sully a homosexual or suggest that homosexuality is not godly or not natural. The Association of Evangelicals caved on that issue. And on the issue of Islamization. What could be more obviously anti-Christian than the importation of millions (now ca. 56 mil) of Muslims who hate Christians and European civilization? When the Muslims hold a rally and throw stones or hurl insults at Europeans, esp Jews, and when the police are called, they almost invariably wind up arresting non-Muslims who complain the loudest because they have been assaulted by the Muslims.Some schools in Germany are intolerable for native German kids, who are constantly spit at, insulted, physically abused and harassed by a Muslim majority student population.The only consolation is that a region without law and order cannot last. It will implode or people will take matters into their own hands.Politicians who oppose Muslim immigration, once almost non-existent, are now among the most popular in some countries like Holland, Austria and the UK, although they are still repressed and persecuted by the elitists.The elites are losing their power under the weight of the injustice they have wrought. Once a tipping point is reached, it will be a beautiful thing to watch the end of this worldwide dictatorship.It will come at a cost, but it is our patriotic — and Christian — duty to resist evil.

Can you please expand on this subject with some detail ?

Presidency by Proxy? Does this interloper do anything other than read the occasional TelePrompTer? I hope all of you that voted for this…”whatever it is”…are really ashamed of yourselves!!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: How many daisies have you smelt today?

How many daisies have you “smelled”…. Smelt is a fish.

sarainitaly said:
Golly, does EVERYTHING have to be spelled out or so literal for you people?

Most of the time for me it does. I’m a literal kind of guy.

sarainitaly said:
The links were to provide the actual occurrences that Judge mental was referring to – the terrible PR optics.

Okay

As I said, what seems to have occurred in in our 24/7 sound bite news cycle is that the media, and the consumer seem to get caught up in superficial nonsense. I remember them focusing on how often GWB mangled the language, how many vacations he took, his holding hands with the Saudi’s. Now it’s all this superficial stuff with Obama as if it proves something. It doesn’t prove much about him or any president. It’s largely superficial passing nonsense that is exaggerated by the media cycle and partisan rhetoric.

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cosmosdan
08-26-2010, 10:50 PM
To the tea baggers – please, when you are in DC, don’t come stay in Alexandria. If you do (and I guess the hotels could do with the money) please don’t come drink in my bar like you did last time.

And if you do, please don’t act all surprised when you aren’t welcomed as returning heros. Or when you get told to shut the fuck up. It’s not that we don’t want people criticizing Obama or the Democrats, it’s that calling him a chimp or Muslim or worse doesn’t really count as rational criticism, and our pretty happy diverse community doesn’t appreciate racism and homophobia.

Funny. You’ll have to report back and tell us what if anything happens.

I agree by the way. Someone complaining about Obama doing a lousy job is fine. Personal demeaning insults are another.

It’s just that I thought you were the kind of guy who avoided generalizing and calling people “teabaggers.” Seems like it would be your words, though. Not a lot of cosmosdan comments on the internet.

Also, in response to this comment:

jrcmi said:
I’m sorry, but calling Jim Wallis a “militant” is really, really way out there!. Did you ever actually LISTEN to the man? Read anything he’s written? It’s fine to disagree with him, but calling him a militant is really off-base.

… you said this:

CosmosDan said:
Oh no it isn’t. All you have to do is use the tired and true and often abused technique of examining everything he’s ever said that’s available, pulling out the quotes that can sound the worst when taken out of context, and keep repeating them.

So Jim Wallis once said this:

Many of today’s [Vietnamese] refugees were inoculated with a taste for a Western lifestyle during the war and are fleeing to support their consumer habit in other lands.

Obviously, that was said during the Vietnam war. Well he recently said that:

Consumerism is a drug. The drug for an unjust society. It numbs our minds, it quiets our conscience, it [sic] distracts our attention. It’s the drug. And we are addicted. In America, most Christians, most Christians, are much more influenced by American materialism and American nationalism than by the gospel. They are. And that’s why they’re in decline.

As for the militant comment, he was a part of the militant group SDS. Onviously he’s not anymore. But this guy really doesn’t like capitalism. And “American nationalism.” What a fantastic guy, eh? He could stand to read this article from Reason. And this blog post that I found.

I don’t mean to hijack the thread, but I don’t think you would have been looking in the thread where you made the comment in the first place.

Calvin said:
It’s just that I thought you were the kind of guy who avoided generalizing and calling people “teabaggers.” Seems like it would be your words, though. Not a lot of cosmosdan comments on the internet.

Whoops, my bad. I see you were just quoting somebody else.

kittycat said:
Right on BFD—I can’t beleive the vuglar language and stupid comment from I guess professional Bloggers.l Bejesus this country has dumb down– negative negative and must feel good but your boring comment reflect it. Obama did just fine.

say what?

Calvin said:
So Jim Wallis once said this:
Many of today’s [Vietnamese] refugees were inoculated with a taste for a Western lifestyle during the war and are fleeing to support their consumer habit in other lands.

Source.

lane said:
Bad PR, bad optics, but kind of funny too. Clinton seemed genuinely surprised. Clinton looked great though.

He’s gearing up for a run in 2012. Just watch!

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Calvin said:
But this guy really doesn’t like capitalism. And “American nationalism.” What a fantastic guy, eh?

It’s great to have a vision , create a business and work to make it successful, but the problem with consumerism is too much of our economy is based on people buying crap they don’t need, or replacing crap that isn’t made to last.
American nationalism doesn’t mean defending every thing we do does it, especially when we happen to be wrong. A government of, for, and by, the people requires more of an effort from the people.

The point of mine you quoted stands. A persons life is usually made up of a lot of facets some good and some not. I couldn’t stand Jerry Falwell , but after he passed away I saw a special about him and realized that even though I didn’t like him, he had really helped a lot of people. The sum total of a person’s life is not contained in a few pulled quotes , or even one incident, so I really resist and find fault with the modern habit of characterizing people by some snippet of their life or words. IMO it’s a dishonest act by any intelligent person.
It’s one of the reasons I don’t like Beck, because it’s a regular part of his [practice.

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CosmosDan said:
I really really appreciate your thoughtful and informative input. Thanks ever so much. Don’t forget to tip the waitresses folks.

Fact: Clouded response since you must be here!
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Pablo said:
When did Bush walk into a press conference and let his Dad do all the talking?

Bush had very few press conferences that lasted over 30 seconds, because the man didn’t like them and he was not good at it He would have someone else speak for him. Have you people got that short of memories?

ImRubberYoureGlue said:
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You got to be kidding, This site would say anything to discredit Obama. I myself had similar problem with my birth certificate when I went to get a passport. This is not uncommon. Get off of you birthers. It just kills you guys because you think you have something and you can’t prove it.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Clouded response since you must be here!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVSHErRXfcQ

Why am I not surprised you would point us to a site like this?

Fact: Not clouded but being politically correct. Dam right get a six pack in me alright! This was a video that makes light of a typical weekend on this forum. Hell it shows young Henry Rollins playing in California in the early 80′s at any typical Keg party of the time and one might see a young Gorden at the 1:58 mark in the back ground of the crowd. It may or may not be him who knows maybe that’s him partying. But the point is sometimes it okay to lighten up right Lefty!

What I find irksome about the continuation of the Bush tax cuts is not so much that some unemployed folks will continue to receive unemployment compensation for a while longer (after all, the REAL unemployment figure is ~17%), but that in passing this continuation BOTH the Republicans AND Democrats have seen fit to laden it with more pork. The reason why our economy is in the tank is because we have too much debt, our government is spending at an enormous rate, our dollar isn’t fit to be used as toilet paper, and our government has run industries offshore with their decades of over taxation, over regulation, and their appeasement of special interests groups, e.g. labor unions. I might not have said all this with the same eloquence as others have said it, but it’s time that we start demanding of our government that they behave responsibly when it comes to spending OUR money.

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CosmosDan said:
American nationalism doesn’t mean defending every thing we do does it, especially when we happen to be wrong. A government of, for, and by, the people requires more of an effort from the people.

CosmosDan said:
It’s great to have a vision , create a business and work to make it successful, but the problem with consumerism is too much of our economy is based on people buying crap they don’t need, or replacing crap that isn’t made to last.

Obviously you don’t want to fill your life with stuff. But see I nothing intrinsically wrong with consumerism. Without consumers there would obviously be no demand for producers.

CosmosDan said:
American nationalism doesn’t mean defending every thing we do does it, especially when we happen to be wrong. A government of, for, and by, the people requires more of an effort from the people.

Did you hear what Wallis said in the video? He has a problem with America being number one.

The point of mine you quoted stands. A persons life is usually made up of a lot of facets some good and some not. The sum total of a person’s life is not contained in a few pulled quotes, or even one incident, so I really resist and find fault with the modern habit of characterizing people by some snippet of their life or words. IMO it’s a dishonest act by any intelligent person.

I didn’t get that from your comment at all. What I got was that people were taking things that he said in the past that he does not believe in today. I was simply pointing out that he hasn’t changed at all in some respects. It’s another case of “forgoing the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends,” like Van Jones. He was a radical Marxist member of the militant group SDS, now he’s a spiritual adviser to the President. Like Van Jones, he’s still a revolutionary, just a more effective one. In other words, he’s still an anti-capitalist bastard.

By the way, words do matter. Also associations do matter. This is from a debate between Obama and McCain:

MCCAIN: Yes, real quick. Mr. Ayers, I don’t care about an old washed-up terrorist. But as Senator Clinton said in her debates with you, we need to know the full extent of that relationship.
We need to know the full extent of Senator Obama’s relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy. The same front outfit organization that your campaign gave $832,000 for “lighting and site selection.” So all of these things need to be examined, of course.

SCHIEFFER: All right. I’m going to let you respond and we’ll extend this for a moment.

OBAMA: Bob, I think it’s going to be important to just — I’ll respond to these two particular allegations that Senator McCain has made and that have gotten a lot of attention.

In fact, Mr. Ayers has become the centerpiece of Senator McCain’s campaign over the last two or three weeks. This has been their primary focus. So let’s get the record straight. Bill Ayers is a professor of education in Chicago.

Forty years ago, when I was 8 years old, he engaged in despicable acts with a radical domestic group. I have roundly condemned those acts. Ten years ago he served and I served on a school reform board that was funded by one of Ronald Reagan’s former ambassadors and close friends, Mr. Annenberg.
Other members on that board were the presidents of the University of Illinois, the president of Northwestern University, who happens to be a Republican, the president of The Chicago Tribune, a Republican- leaning newspaper.

Mr. Ayers is not involved in my campaign. He has never been involved in this campaign. And he will not advise me in the White House. So that’s Mr. Ayers.

Now, with respect to ACORN, ACORN is a community organization. Apparently what they’ve done is they were paying people to go out and register folks, and apparently some of the people who were out there didn’t really register people, they just filled out a bunch of names.

It had nothing to do with us. We were not involved. The only involvement I’ve had with ACORN was I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.

Now, the reason I think that it’s important to just get these facts out is because the allegation that Senator McCain has continually made is that somehow my associations are troubling.

Now it’s important to note that he is distancing himself from Ayers and ACORN. He knows that associations matter, which basically says in the next part coming up. Now I don’t know about Ayers, but the ACORN part was a lie.

Let me tell you who I associate with. On economic policy, I associate with Warren Buffett and former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker. If I’m interested in figuring out my foreign policy, I associate myself with my running mate, Joe Biden or with Dick Lugar, the Republican ranking member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, or General Jim Jones, the former supreme allied commander of NATO.

Those are the people, Democrats and Republicans, who have shaped my ideas and who will be surrounding me in the White House.

So he’s basically saying look to the people I surround myself with. I bring this up because Jim Wallis is a guy who has been a spiritual adviser to the President as well as an adviser on policy. Words and associations matter. Ignoring those things is tremendously dishonest.

You people are a bunch of hysterics. Who can waste their time reading most of this stuff, especially the comments coming from the rightwingers. Obama and Clinton are both great figures. This country is in trouble and we’re lucky we have both of these genuine leaders doing their best for their country while you reactionary slackers in the peanut gallery act like spoiled, idiotic children. You’re useless and don’t be surprised if the country doesn’t like the nasty bullies you’ve put into office. We’re not giving this country up to the barbarians without a fight and it’s great that Clinton is helping in such a gracious, truly patriotic fashion.

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Calvin said:
Did you hear what Wallis said in the video? He has a problem with America being number one.

I didn’t get that. He talking about priorities. Just as a Christian wouldn’t lift himself up by degrading others , nationalism shouldn’t be about degrading other countries as in “We’re the greatest and you all suck” I think that’s an exaggeration but I understand the point.

He’s not saying we shouldn’t consume anything , he’s talking about how we’ve been stressing possessions over other values for a long time. Also a Bible based attitude.

Calvin said:
I didn’t get that from your comment at all. What I got was that people were taking things that he said in the past that he does not believe in today. I was simply pointing out that he hasn’t changed at all in some respects.

I suppose it depends on the person, but people to change their attitudes at times and mellow. With Wright the issue was that people were listening to a few short clips and judging a mature life. That strikes me as unfair and unrealistic about people. When you really examine the clips they used with an understanding of different preaching styles they aren’t as bad as they were made out to be. I was never a fan of Jerry Falwell but I don’t think he’s a scumbag based on a few things he said. I know he really helped people as well.

Van Jones is a little different.
It’s another case of “forgoing the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends, needs to be seen in context. Jones actually embraced capitalism as being more practical and having more impact than protests. That was the significant detail that Beck failed to mention.

As far as Wallis, I guess the question is what kind of revolution is he aiming for? Having studied the New Testament quite a bit myself I think Wallis has a much better grip on what Jesus taught than Beck does. Early on in their disagreement Wallis offered to go on Beck’s show and discuss social justice and Christianity but Beck hasn’t accepted that offer. Beck works best when there’s not someone knowledgeable right there to challenge him.

Calvin said:
By the way, words do matter. Also associations do matter.

I never said they didn’t. The important thing is to view them accurately and in the proper context. BTW; Kennedy and MLK, both significant men in our history , were notorious womanizers. MLK , whom Beck praised, was criticized for having close friend and associate who was a communist , and taught reparations just as James Cone did. I guess those things were negative for some folks but didn’t matter when it came time to praise MLK at the rally. If you wanted to you can go into the life of practically anybody’s life and find the worst bits and focus only on those bits. Real life and real people are more than that.

The only reason Obama even had to distance himself from Ayers is because of the bullshit that was being made out of it. If dishonesty was involved it was from those intentionally blowing it all out of proportion to make him look bad. And ACORN? I don’t know what you think that Beck clip demonstrates. 3 second clips taken out of context. The whole ACORN voter fraud thing was another fabrication.