Pawlenty is right . President King Obama , Reid ,Schumer and the other henchmen , cronies and minions of Trumka and Soros would rather demagogue the issue and scare seniors than fix anything . Even Bill Clinton knows it .

this guy has been running for president for however many months…yet in the polls hes beaten by herman cain lol

EPIC, Obama’s budget falls 97-0 in the US senate. Hmmmm, who are the three that voted Obama? (translation Obama=present)

On topic, when will the Democrats (aka progressives aka leftists aka socialists aka communists) create a budget? I mean they continually do NOTHING. They want to run the US with a BLANK CHECK! When was the last budget? When was the last time that the Democrats (see above) actually decided to actually submit ANYTHING resembling a logical and rational economic package? Remember Pelosi’s epic comments about balancing the budget? You know, we the Democrats (see above) will balance the budget.

Oh well, I am sure future ads created by the Democrats (see above) will be the same as every other one. Pushing grandma off the cliff.

Notice, what does Hugo Chavez and Democrats (see above) have in common? They both blame America for America.

The Lantern of Truth said:
President King Obama , Reid ,Schumer and the other henchmen , cronies and minions of Trumka and Soros

Also , their :

Accessories
Accomplices
Co-conspirators
Flunkies
Lackeys
Stooges

Let’s all remember in Republican speak “fix” means abolish. If you’re fine with ending Medicare, looks like Pawlenty may be your man.

—

Notice the newly-elected Alabama legislator who changed parties because Republicans are hostile to teachers? Alabama!

Democrats only know how to scare the old people….

Guess what…I am one of the “Old People” and you people do not scare me 1 bit!

The new chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee was criticizing Republicans who opposed President Obama’s bailout of the American automakers union, oh, no, make that American automakers.

“If it were up to the candidates for president on the Republican side,” said Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, “we would be driving foreign cars. They would have let the auto industry in America go down the tubes.”

So Michael O’Brien of The Hill newspaper went and checked what kind of automobile loyal-American-car-supporter Debbie Wasserman Schultz owns.

Yup, you guessed it — Japanese.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/debbie-wasserman-schultz-nissan-.html

BatBoy said:
Democrats only know how to scare the old people….

Guess what…I am one of the “Old People” and you people do not scare me 1 bit!

I guess this Republican dislike of grandmothers must be some multigenerational Oedipal complex run amok. I can’t think of any other reason to hold grandmothers in such contempt.

Azarkhan said:
The new chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee was criticizing Republicans who opposed President Obama’s bailout of the American automakers union, oh, no, make that American automakers.

“If it were up to the candidates for president on the Republican side,” said Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, “we would be driving foreign cars. They would have let the auto industry in America go down the tubes.”

So Michael O’Brien of The Hill newspaper went and checked what kind of automobile loyal-American-car-supporter Debbie Wasserman Schultz owns.

Yup, you guessed it — Japanese.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/debbie-wasserman-schultz-nissan-.html

Of course, her point is very well taken. Bail-out money is being repaid well ahead of schedule and Detroit is expanding. Romney and other Republicans would have shut down the American car industry.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Let’s all remember in Republican speak “fix” means abolish. If you’re fine with ending Medicare, looks like Pawlenty may be your man. — Notice the newly-elected Alabama legislator who changed parties because Republicans are hostile to teachers? Alabama!

Fact: Entitlements are not guaranteed under the constitution and where given when you had 16 workers supplying 1 Medicare recipient. Now it’s down to a 2 pay in 1 receives Medicare. There has to be a change. If you can’t pay for it you can’t have it. Economics 101. It’s not a taxing problem it’s a spending problem. Don’t get me wrong I too would like hand outs but at what cost. The end of our country as it goes bankrupt. Let the Churches again rise to help people again more than the government in some areas as in the young between jobs and Medicare for the elderly and crippled. Bring back workfare for those others on the fence. Socialism has failed everywhere it’s been introduced so forget it. One size doesn’t fit all Period.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Of course, her point is very well taken. Bail-out money is being repaid well ahead of schedule and Detroit is expanding. Romney and other Republicans would have shut down the American car industry.

Fact: I would rather shut down a car company here in America before I give it away for free to Fiat!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Entitlements are not guaranteed under the constitution and where given when you had 16 workers supplying 1 Medicare recipient. Now it’s down to a 2 pay in 1 receives Medicare. There has to be a change. If you can’t pay for it you can’t have it. Economics 101. It’s not a taxing problem it’s a spending problem. Don’t get me wrong I too would like hand outs but at what cost. The end of our country as it goes bankrupt. Let the Churches again rise to help people again more than the government in some areas as in the young between jobs and Medicare for the elderly and crippled. Bring back workfare for those others on the fence. Socialism has failed everywhere it’s been introduced so forget it. One size doesn’t fit all Period.

A repetitive tirade intermingled with formulaic emissions such as yours always does much to advance any discussion. Thank you ever so much.

Fixing it by giving people vouchers. Why don’t you poll the Health care company and see what they think about it. They’d gladly take the money/voucher off them and kick them out (Pre-existing condition). Why would you want to divide and conquer, turning people against one another? You’d give a 55yrs old Medicare and deny it to a 54yrs old. Thats insane, and unfair. How do these guys sleep at night.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: I would rather shut down a car company here in America before I give it away for free to Fiat!

Well, sending more American manufacturing jobs overseas is an economic winner, to which we can be thankful to Raygun, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II. Glad to see you put America first.

Barack Must Go said:
good old Midwestern common sense

Which presumably includes cooking the books and leaving a good old Midwestern state deeply in debt? Sort of the Perry of the Plains?

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Notice the newly-elected Alabama legislator who changed parties because Republicans are hostile to teachers? Alabama!

Fact: Union thugs not getting to eat cake! Teachers should just Teach and quit trying to rob the bank!

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Well, sending more American manufacturing jobs overseas is an economic winner, to which we can be thankful to Raygun, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II. Glad to see you put America first.

Fact: I always buy the great American Automobile. FORD is the one and all others are just clones! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

T-Paw drops some excellent Twitter smack:

@BarackObama sorry to interrupt the European pub crawl, but what was your Medicare plan?

I wonder if Obama’s Medicare plan is anything like his budget plan.

That logo isn’t an “O” it’s a zero.

THE REAL RABID KOOK said:
Well, sending more American manufacturing jobs overseas is an economic winner, to which we can be thankful to Raygun, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II. Glad to see you put America first.

How could you leave out Jeffery Immelt and Barack Obama, Kook? Have you no idea how awesomely green China is?

Be afraid Libs…
T-Paw on the rise…

The Lantern of Truth said:
Pawlenty is right . President King Obama , Reid ,Schumer and the other henchmen , cronies and minions of Trumka and Soros would rather demagogue the issue and scare seniors than fix anything . Even Bill Clinton knows it .

if I was stupid as You I’d stick my head in an oven and end it all…..advocate all you want for these batshit crazy loveable losers that you dipshits think can beat President Obama, i’m afraid it isnt gonna work out for you…Snooze Pawlenty will be out of the race right after the S Carolina primary…a pork chop in a lions den has a better shot at the white house than this dumb bastard does…..the motto of the republican party should be “WHEN YOU FIND A FOOL BUMP HIS HEAD” and you sir got hickeys all over your knot

Except when he cut half a trillion from Medicare and the GOP banged him incessantly for it. Alas.

skyfet said:
How do these guys sleep at night.

Do you hear that rumble in the distance? That is the Baby Boomers – they are getting ready to retire. On January 1st, 2011 the very first Baby Boomers turn 65. Millions upon millions of them are rushing towards retirement age and they have been promised that the rest of us are going to take care of them. Only there is a huge problem. We don’t have the money. It simply isn’t there. But the millions of Baby Boomers getting ready to retire are counting on that money to be there. This all comes at a really bad time for a federal government that is already flat broke and for a national economy that is already teetering on the brink of disaster…

Beginning January 1st, 2011 every single day more than 10,000 Baby Boomers will reach the age of 65. That is going to keep happening every single day for the next 19 years.

http://therealnewsjournal.com/?p=3077

How do you sleep at night?

When is President Fumbles Obungles and his Democratic majority going to get health care costs under control?

Obomber signs the Patriot Act Extension from France with an “auto pen?” WTF?

Dem4Ever said:
When is President Fumbles Obungles and his Democratic majority going to get health care costs under control?

Everything has pretty much doubled since he took office. Cept gas, it’s tripled.

DavidKramer said:
Obama’s budget falls 97-0 in the US senate.

Saw that yesterday. Truly a dog that won’t bark. The lsm won’t touch it. Epic failure for Obomber.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Let’s all remember in Republican speak “fix” means abolish. If you’re fine with ending Medicare, looks like Pawlenty may be your man.

—

Notice the newly-elected Alabama legislator who changed parties because Republicans are hostile to teachers? Alabama!

Us ” real ” Americans know that’s not true.

What ” We the People ” now Do know is that in Obams speak “fix” means embezzle billions of American taxpayer dollars, effectively starving babies while murdering seniors, then sneak away to Venezuela ( before the dust clears ) to be with your secret lover Hugo Chavez.

mr. pawlenty is obviously very upset that people don’t like ryan’s plan

AND he’s running for prez, so obviously he needs to find a niche completely opposed to
anything obama

but any sensible person knows that a voucher system will kill people, and the only
way to save medicare is to raise taxes

and the democrats are wisely going to use the tax issue as a wedge to win voters in 2012

Azarkhan said:
Do you hear that rumble in the distance? That is the Baby Boomers – they are getting ready to retire. On January 1st, 2011 the very first Baby Boomers turn 65. Millions upon millions of them are rushing towards retirement age and they have been promised that the rest of us are going to take care of them. Only there is a huge problem. We don’t have the money. It simply isn’t there. But the millions of Baby Boomers getting ready to retire are counting on that money to be there. This all comes at a really bad time for a federal government that is already flat broke and for a national economy that is already teetering on the brink of disaster…

Beginning January 1st, 2011 every single day more than 10,000 Baby Boomers will reach the age of 65. That is going to keep happening every single day for the next 19 years.

http://therealnewsjournal.com/?p=3077

How do you sleep at night?

You are right, and the solution is going to be a very difficult pill for us all to swallow, but swallow we must.

The problem is exhibited in a very small way on these boards. The right says we must cut and immediately the left attacks the right and claims they want to kill women and children etc. There is no back and forth with the left saying, well we realize we have a huge problem so can we sit down and hammer something out that both of us can live with. No, the left attacks the messenger because they have no answer to the message. That doesn’t work – never has, never will but that’s basically what the left does on these boards. Mediaite puts up a story, the right comments on the story – the viability of it or why it’s not a good story and then the left attacks the right – not the story, but the person who responded.

Things have to change. All of us know that our spending is completely out of control. Waste is rampant in every government department. It’s just a never ending circle, except the circle is collapsing under the weight that keeps being piled on it. The hateful rhetoric from the left just keeps adding fuel to the fire and nobody is offering a solution. You saw the exchange between Clinton and Ryan. Two men who realize there is a huge problem and Clinton was basically saying “call me”. I was impressed. Obama is still driving the freaking bus with us all at the back or hanging on the bumper for dear life.

We need a Statesman. We don’t have one in office. I’m sorry but I was giving Obama every chance in the world and he has failed us. He encourages the divisiveness, in fact he instigates it with his awful comments about anyone who doesn’t agree with him. That’s not a Statesman – that’s a bully.

gee, how do we control healthcare costs?

uh, maybe regulate the industry?

OR pool everyone into a massive group (i.e. single payer)?

i go with…….both

darladoon said:
gee, how do we control healthcare costs?

Stop giving free health care to ILLEGALS would be a great start.

seek said:
You are right, and the solution is going to be a very difficult pill for us all to swallow, but swallow we must.

The problem is exhibited in a very small way on these boards. The right says we must cut and immediately the left attacks the right and claims they want to kill women and children etc. There is no back and forth with the left saying, well we realize we have a huge problem so can we sit down and hammer something out that both of us can live with. No, the left attacks the messenger because they have no answer to the message. That doesn’t work – never has, never will but that’s basically what the left does on these boards. Mediaite puts up a story, the right comments on the story – the viability of it or why it’s not a good story and then the left attacks the right – not the story, but the person who responded.

Things have to change. All of us know that our spending is completely out of control. Waste is rampant in every government department. It’s just a never ending circle, except the circle is collapsing under the weight that keeps being piled on it. The hateful rhetoric from the left just keeps adding fuel to the fire and nobody is offering a solution. You saw the exchange between Clinton and Ryan. Two men who realize there is a huge problem and Clinton was basically saying “call me”. I was impressed. Obama is still driving the freaking bus with us all at the back or hanging on the bumper for dear life.

We need a Statesman. We don’t have one in office. I’m sorry but I was giving Obama every chance in the world and he has failed us. He encourages the divisiveness, in fact he instigates it with his awful comments about anyone who doesn’t agree with him. That’s not a Statesman – that’s a bully.

it’s funny you never mention the two primary causes of our waste:

1. the bush tax cuts (which should be repealed)

2. the two wars

darladoon said:
but any sensible person knows that a voucher system will kill people, and the only
way to save medicare is to raise taxes
and the democrats are wisely going to use the tax issue as a wedge to win voters in 2012

the Do-nothing’s will kill people…
So, you favor the IPAB over the voucher system?

Dems are over-playing their hand on this issue… Just ask B Clinton…

Jaurez said:
Stop giving free health care to ILLEGALS would be a great start.</blockquote

apparently you don't understand how healthcare works. "illegals" don't get healthcare; when
they get sick they (obviously) go to the emergency room, and we end up absorbing the
cost.

it would actually be MUCH cheaper to actually "give" (as you put it) healthcare to illegals;
but we don't.

darladoon said:
2. the two wars

$800B over 10 years?

darladoon said:
1. the bush tax cuts (which should be repealed)

since the recent extension tax revenue has increased… hmmmmmm….

skoorbekim said:
the Do-nothing’s will kill people…
So, you favor the IPAB over the voucher system?

Dems are over-playing their hand on this issue… Just ask B Clinton…

i favor a single payer system. that’s the ONLY way to control costs.

but it’s the third rail of politics. and the democrats, with one exception (bernie sanders), are
a bunch of spineless, self-serving pricks.

skoorbekim said:
$800B over 10 years?

since the recent extension tax revenue has increased… hmmmmmm….

again, the two primary causes of our structural deficit are:

1. the bush tax cuts

2. the two wars

those are facts which even the most conservative think tank corroborates.

look at the chart dude:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/20/bush-tax-cuts-debt_n_864812.html

darladoon said:
i favor a single payer system. that’s the ONLY way to control costs.

how did that work in Hawaii? How is it working in Massachusetts?
How is it working with the British NHS?
Marxism does not work…

darladoon said:
look at the chart dude:

typical liberal economic illiteracy (the chart, not you)…
you don’t pay for tax cuts… the money is in private hands and stays there…

darladoon said:
again, the two primary causes of our structural deficit are:

1. the bush tax cuts

2. the two wars

LOL

Don’t let the facts change your Barry loving, dear.

The National Debt stood at $10.626 trillion the day Obama was inaugurated. The Bureau of Public Debt reported hat the National Debt had hit an all time high of $14.320 trillion recently.

The Debt increased $4.9 trillion during President Bush’s two terms. The Administration has projected the National Debt will soar in Mr. Obama’s fourth year in office to nearly $16.5-trillion in 2012. That’s more than 100 percent of the value of the nation’s economy and $5.9-trillion above what it was his first day on the job.

skoorbekim said:
typical liberal economic illiteracy (the chart, not you)…
you don’t pay for tax cuts… the money is in private hands and stays there…

hilarity. pure hilarity. and i love how you mention two things in the same post:

1. economic illiteracy

2. you don’t pay for tax cuts

“the money is in private hands”?

what? and this was from someone who just argued “tax revenue is increasing”.

again, pure hilarity.

notsofast said:
LOL

Don’t let the facts change your Barry loving, dear.

The National Debt stood at $10.626 trillion the day Obama was inaugurated. The Bureau of Public Debt reported hat the National Debt had hit an all time high of $14.320 trillion recently.

The Debt increased $4.9 trillion during President Bush’s two terms. The Administration has projected the National Debt will soar in Mr. Obama’s fourth year in office to nearly $16.5-trillion in 2012. That’s more than 100 percent of the value of the nation’s economy and $5.9-trillion above what it was his first day on the job.

you’re proving my point. obama extended the tax cuts, and continues the pointless wars.

and i don’t love obama.

i’m a socialist

skoorbekim said:
how did that work in Hawaii? How is it working in Massachusetts?
How is it working with the British NHS?
Marxism does not work…

the british pay FAR less than we do in healthcare, and have better outcomes

so, indeed, it’s working out fine

but, personally, i’ll take the french healthcare system.

darladoon said:
i’m a socialist

Really? As if we didn’t know that?

darladoon said:
gee, how do we control healthcare costs?

uh, maybe regulate the industry?

OR pool everyone into a massive group (i.e. single payer)?

i go with…….both

Darla – at this moment in time, what would you say the percentage is that uses the “medical system”?
If everyone was covered – how many more hospitals, Doctors, labs, etc. would have to be built immediately in order to accommodate the #’s that would suddenly be using a system, because it’s available to them?
Who do you think could possibly afford to pay for a system like that?
Nobody – absolutely nobody.

You have a medical system that is used to operating at x dollar level.
You think anyone involved in that system, from Doctors on down to lab workers are going to suddenly say – we will take less, a lot less.

We already see that with Drs. not taking patients because they don’t get paid enough from the government.

The sad truth is that although your idea is a noble one – it can’t and wouldn’t work because for too many years the system was used to operating at a certain level, and nobody from the people running the system to the people using the system would accept any negative change.

Take the “pre-existing condition” that people carry on about. Insurance Companies shouldn’t be able to deny coverage for….

Well equate it with House Insurance. Imagine that you’ve never bothered to have house insurance because it’s a big waste of money. Suddenly your house burns down and you phone the insurance company to get insurance. You could lie and say the house is fine and then file a false claim or you could tell them the truth and they would say sorry. Insurance Companies make money on the people who don’t use the insurance – they sure the hell don’t make it on the ones that do. More people using it would not lower costs, it would raise them even more.

notsofast said:
Really? As if we didn’t know that?

well, you people think obama is a socialist, so i’m not sure what planet you live on

darladoon said:
i’m a socialist

Shocker! A non-taxpayer, too, right?

darladoon said:
what? and this was from someone who just argued “tax revenue is increasing”.

when you lower tax rates, tax revenue increases…

once you grasp how that is possible, you are that much closer to reality…

darladoon said:
the british pay FAR less than we do in healthcare, and have better outcomes

they do not pay less as a whole, and their NHS is collapsing…

seek said:
Darla – at this moment in time, what would you say the percentage is that uses the “medical system”?
If everyone was covered – how many more hospitals, Doctors, labs, etc. would have to be built immediately in order to accommodate the #’s that would suddenly be using a system, because it’s available to them?
Who do you think could possibly afford to pay for a system like that?
Nobody – absolutely nobody.

You have a medical system that is used to operating at x dollar level.
You think anyone involved in that system, from Doctors on down to lab workers are going to suddenly say – we will take less, a lot less.

We already see that with Drs. not taking patients because they don’t get paid enough from the government.

The sad truth is that although your idea is a noble one – it can’t and wouldn’t work because for too many years the system was used to operating at a certain level, and nobody from the people running the system to the people using the system would accept any negative change.

Take the “pre-existing condition” that people carry on about. Insurance Companies shouldn’t be able to deny coverage for….

Well equate it with House Insurance. Imagine that you’ve never bothered to have house insurance because it’s a big waste of money. Suddenly your house burns down and you phone the insurance company to get insurance. You could lie and say the house is fine and then file a false claim or you could tell them the truth and they would say sorry. Insurance Companies make money on the people who don’t use the insurance – they sure the hell don’t make it on the ones that do. More people using it would not lower costs, it would raise them even more.

what you obviously fail to understand (even judging from your own words) is that
we *already* spend far more on healthcare than any other country.

pooling all individuals together will automatically lower health insurance costs.

notsofast said:
Really? As if we didn’t know that?

Last time Darla was an Anarchist, until someone pointed out that her views didn’t really reflect that. lol

darladoon said:
i’m a socialist

how would a socialist, like yourself, pay off the debt?

darladoon said:
what you obviously fail to understand (even judging from your own words) is that
we *already* spend far more on healthcare than any other country.

pooling all individuals together will automatically lower health insurance costs.

Why would it?
Please explain…

darladoon said:
the british pay FAR less than we do in healthcare, and have better outcomes

so, indeed, it’s working out fine

but, personally, i’ll take the french healthcare system.

Really?

Barry’s HC is based on the single payer system in Massachusetts. Let’s see how they are doing.

As health costs soar, Mass. seeks solution
Sunday, March 6, 2011 02:58 AM
By Christine Vestal
Stateline.org

WASHINGTON — One of the most familiar criticisms of the new national health-care law is that it does little to contain costs. And that’s true: The primary goal is to provide universal access to health insurance. Cost controls are supposed to come later.

“Later” has arrived now for Massachusetts’ statewide plan, enacted in 2006 and similar in many ways to the federal one. Some 98 percent of all adults and nearly 100 percent of all children are covered, but costs have spiraled out of control. Massachusetts spends 40 percent of its budget on health care, and median-income families are expected to spend one-third of their paychecks on health care by 2016. ”

Yeah, that’s what America needs; HC that costs ya 1/3 of your income.

notsofast said:
As health costs soar, Mass. seeks solution

they also passed a resolution barring illegal immigrants from accessing the MA healthcare system… how progressive…

skoorbekim said:
they also passed a resolution barring illegal immigrants from accessing the MA healthcare system… how progressive…

They must be racists.

Barry and the Dims have offered NO PLAN in curbing the cost of Medicare.

All barry does is lie.

Here is another whopper from Barry:

By JAKE TAPPER (@jaketapper) , HUMA KHAN and MARTHA RADDATZ (@martharaddatz)
March 18, 2011

President Obama told a bipartisan group of members of Congress today that he expects the U.S. would be actively involved in any military action against Libya for “days, not weeks,” after which he said the U.S. would take more of a supporting role, sources tell ABC News. ”

days, not weeks?

Try months, Barry. Oh, that’s right, you think we are in 2008!

darladoon said:
you’re proving my point. obama extended the tax cuts, and continues the pointless wars. and i don’t love obama. i’m a socialist

Darladoon,

Sit down before you read this, because what I’m about to show you are FACTS from a CREDIBLE source. The first yr Bush’s tax cuts went into effect was 2003.

Tax Revenue for 2003 (money FROM taxes coming INTO fed gov): $800+ billion
” ” ” 2004: 825+ billion
” ” ” 2005: 960+ billion
” ” ” 2006: 1 trillion
” ” ” 2007: 1.9 trillion
” ” ” 2008: 1.7 trillion

As you can see, THE TAX REVENUE INCREASED (as it ALWAYS DOES when tax cuts are enacted.) It wasn’t the tax cuts which caused the deficit/debt…it was MASSIVE gov spending. So stop being a sheep who’ll believe whatever Kos, MM, HP tells you. Investigate yourself.

http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.pdf

darladoon said:
you’re proving my point. obama extended the tax cuts, and continues the pointless wars. and i don’t love obama. i’m a socialist

Total government spending (federal/state) since 2003: $ 27.4TRILLION
TOTAL COSTS of Iraqi/Afgan wrs were 1.05 Trillion

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/01/14/afghanistan-iraq-usa-costs-idUSN1415708320100114

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year2003_0.html#usgs302

skoorbekim said:
how would a socialist, like yourself, pay off the debt?

raise taxes and cut spending

GreyGoose said:
Darladoon,

Sit down before you read this, because what I’m about to show you are FACTS from a CREDIBLE source. The first yr Bush’s tax cuts went into effect was 2003.

Tax Revenue for 2003 (money FROM taxes coming INTO fed gov): $800+ billion
” ” ” 2004: 825+ billion
” ” ” 2005: 960+ billion
” ” ” 2006: 1 trillion
” ” ” 2007: 1.9 trillion
” ” ” 2008: 1.7 trillion

As you can see, THE TAX REVENUE INCREASED (as it ALWAYS DOES when tax cuts are enacted.) It wasn’t the tax cuts which caused the deficit/debt…it was MASSIVE gov spending. So stop being a sheep who’ll believe whatever Kos, MM, HP tells you. Investigate yourself.

http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.pdf

you have no idea what you’re talking about, here’s the fact:

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-2010-6

and that’s from a business-friendly magazine

skoorbekim said:
they also passed a resolution barring illegal immigrants from accessing the MA healthcare system… how progressive…

that was thrown in there to appease the xenophobic wingnuts

darladoon said:
it’s funny you never mention the two primary causes of our waste:

1. the bush tax cuts (which should be repealed)

2. the two wars

It’s funny that you can’t do math.

darladoon said:
you have no idea what you’re talking about, here’s the fact:

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-2010-6

and that’s from a business-friendly magazine

Deficits are not revenue. Deficits are what you get when you spend more than your revenue. Bush was bad. Obama is exponentially worse.

Fact: I never heard the term debt ceiling during the BUSH years? Now you do since it’s been tripled under the ‘O’. mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm Obama…… Change you can count on!

darladoon said:
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-2010-6

and that’s from a business-friendly magazine

Really? Impartial, dear?

According to New York Times reporter Matt Bai, CBPP is funded by the Democracy Alliance.

The Democracy Alliance is a partnership of business and philanthropic leaders who commit to making make human and financial donations to organizations the Alliance has recommend as worthy. Since its founding in 2005, the Alliance has helped direct nearly $150 million to progressive organizations.

A PowerPoint presentation, “The Conservative Message Machine Money Matrix”, created by Rob Stein and shown to individuals and small groups of donors in 2003 and 2004, is often credited as being the impetus for the group’s formation. It was formed with major backing from George Soros and Tim Gill.

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darladoon said:
raise taxes and cut spending you have no idea what you’re talking about, here’s the fact: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-2010-6 and that’s from a business-friendly magazine

You make it so easy. They use numbers from that same, leftwing site you quoted yesterday: Center for Budget Policy Priorities. Look at the FACTS i used for my argument: CBO- a governmetal acounting agency and Reuters- a leftwing news source.

darladoon said:
raise taxes and cut spending you have no idea what you’re talking about, here’s the fact: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-2010-6 and that’s from a business-friendly magazine

Just because it says “business” in it’s name doesn’t mean its a capitalistic. In fact, Obama’s biggest baker- Wall Street- anre FAR from capitalistic. They use their tool in the White House to stifle competition from small businesses via rules, regulations & taxes.

Funny seeing Republicans/Conservatives talk about “demagoguery”. Where was this outcry from when “Obamacare” was being negotiated and discussed. Oh yeah,i remember…. “Death Panels!!!”,”SocialisMarxismKenyanism”,”Obamacare,Obamacare!!!”,”IT WILL KILL YOUR GRANNY!!”. Yeah, ”Medicare killers” has a nice ring to it. Thankfully,”…he knows his plan has no chance” -Harry Reid. See you at the polls!

darladoon said:
the british pay FAR less than we do in healthcare, and have better outcomes

so, indeed, it’s working out fine

Doctors forced to prescribe drinking water to keep the old alive, reveals devastating report on hospital care

The snapshot study, triggered by a Mail campaign, found staff routinely ignored patients’ calls for help and forgot to check that they had had enough to eat and drink.

Dehydration contributes to the death of more than 800 hospital patients every year.

Another 300 die malnourished. The latest report – by the Care Quality Commission – found patients frequently complained they were spoken to in a ‘condescending and dismissive’ manner.

The watchdog said three of 12 NHS trusts visited in the past three months were failing to meet the most basic standards required by law.

That doesn’t sound fine.

from the conservative wapo:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/30/AR2010073002671.html

i disagree that the bush tax cuts only accounted for 25% of the deficit, but everything
i else seems fair.

and they don’t mention the wars.

Hey Mediaite, I have a love/hate relationship with this site, while it is true my level of respect for politics as tabloid journalism is pretty low, it is kind of like a car crash on the highway, everyone slows down to view it. So ultimately I love this site I must admit

I also love giving you guys scoops, but I bet you are already working on this story, but did anyone catch Joe Scarborough letting the cat out of the bag as to why Olbermann was fired from MSNBC, he admitted it on air today in his smarmy little way, because he is a pretty petty guy. but it was pretty amazing nonetheless.

Polstd said:
Where was this outcry from when “Obamacare” was being negotiated and discussed.

IT WASN’T NEGOTIATE/DISCUSSED. The Dems just pushed that POS through,

If it’s o good, how could BHO and crew are issuing waivers to all their friends? Beause they know its a POS bill. Tey’ll push it on you & I, but they wont take it themself. How’s that make you feel?

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/147715-number-of-healthcare-reform-law-waivers-climbs-above-1000

and btw, 25% is still a huge amount.

Azarkhan said:
Do you hear that rumble in the distance? That is the Baby Boomers – they are getting ready to retire. On January 1st, 2011 the very first Baby Boomers turn 65. Millions upon millions of them are rushing towards retirement age and they have been promised that the rest of us are going to take care of them. Only there is a huge problem. We don’t have the money. It simply isn’t there. But the millions of Baby Boomers getting ready to retire are counting on that money to be there. This all comes at a really bad time for a federal government that is already flat broke and for a national economy that is already teetering on the brink of disaster…

Beginning January 1st, 2011 every single day more than 10,000 Baby Boomers will reach the age of 65. That is going to keep happening every single day for the next 19 years.

http://therealnewsjournal.com/?p=3077

How do you sleep at night?

Perhaps if all the freaking subsidies given to the Bank and Big oil is ended, there might be more money in the coffers. Perhaps if all the wars The country is involved with, there might be more money in the coffers. Perhaps if everyone pay their fair share of taxes, there might be more money in the coffers.

Yet you want the boomers to sacrifice what they’ve been working for all their adult life.

How do you sleep at night?

GreyGoose said:
IT WASN’T NEGOTIATE/DISCUSSED. The Dems just pushed that POS through,

If it’s o good, how could BHO and crew are issuing waivers to all their friends? Beause they know its a POS bill. Tey’ll push it on you & I, but they wont take it themself. How’s that make you feel?

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/147715-number-of-healthcare-reform-law-waivers-climbs-above-1000

imagine the mind of someone who:

a. doesn’t think “obamacare” was discussed

even though “obamacare” is inherently based on……wait for it……

…..a REPUBLICAN plan.

just imagine that person’s weak, pathetic mind

skoorbekim said:
they do not pay less as a whole, and their NHS is collapsing…

neither of those statements is true

darladoon said:
from the conservative wapo

Thomas Jeferson said, “The best defense of democracy is an informed electorate.” Judging from the thought that someone thinks the Wash Post is conservative, I think we’re screwed.

skyfet said:
Perhaps if all the freaking subsidies given to the Bank and Big oil is ended, there might be more money in the coffers. Perhaps if all the wars The country is involved with, there might be more money in the coffers. Perhaps if everyone pay their fair share of taxes, there might be more money in the coffers. Yet you want the boomers to sacrifice what they’ve been working for all their adult life. How do you sleep at night?

Tell me what a “fair share” is? How much of overall taxes should the top 10, 20, 30 percent incomes pay?

darladoon said:
neither of those statements is true

Back up your arguments

darladoon said:
raise taxes and cut spending
you have no idea what you’re talking about, here’s the fact:
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-2010-6
and that’s from a business-friendly magazine

Let’s just ASSUME this is correct. Where’s your math that raising taxes and cutting spending will fully fund Future Medicare costs? Future Medicare costs are not a projection. Baby boomers are already “real” and retiring. You make no mention of Medicare reform, so where’s your math that demonstrates funding Future Medicare?

It can’t be the charts you linked to, because I assume you’re brighter than that and not just buried/blinded by ideology and/or ignorant on facts.

Assume the chart stats, that’s $35 billion ANNUALLY in eliminating spending waste, fraud, duplication etc. Another $275 billion annually in revoking Bush tax cuts (debatable additional revenue, but let’s just assume), another $87 billion annually in stopping Afghan/Irag wars (I calculated laying off all the military and their salaries that are in those theaters)

$400 more billion to spend annually for the Feds. Where’s your math (or programs you want to cut spending on to pay for future SSI/Medicare) to make up the remaining shortfall?

You’re about $40 TRILLION short on the future SSI/Medicare costs to support baby boomers. To make it easy, I didn’t even include additional Future Medicaid costs next 20 years for eligible baby boomers. Remember, baby boomers represent anywhere from 35%-45% of existing totl workforce. So next 20 years without reform FEDS will realize much less in incoome and payroll taxes. You’ll need to consider that in your math you submit. Otherwise it’s just ideological and/or ignorant babble.

GreyGoose said:
Thomas Jeferson said, “The best defense of democracy is an informed electorate.” Judging from the thought that someone thinks the Wash Post is conservative, I think we’re screwed.

wow, you really don’t believe that, do you? fred hiatt runs the op-ed.

do you know fred hiatt?

other than that, surely you don’t think their actual reporting pages are liberal?

darladoon said:
wow, you really don’t believe that, do you? fred hiatt runs the op-ed. do you know fred hiatt? other than that, surely you don’t think their actual reporting pages are liberal?

I’ll let them speak for themself:

In a November 19, 2008 column, The Washington Post ombudsman Deborah Howell stated: “I’ll bet that most Post journalists voted for Obama. I did. There are centrists at The Post as well. But the conservatives I know here feel so outnumbered that they don’t even want to be quoted by name in a memo”.

skyfet said:
Yet you want the boomers to sacrifice what they’ve been working for all their adult life.

Who said that, aside from the inveterate liars of the Democrat party?

GreyGoose said:
Tell me what a “fair share” is? How much of overall taxes should the top 10, 20, 30 percent incomes pay?

And how much should the bottom 50%, or 40% or 30% pay? What is their “fair share”?

Pablo said:
And how much should the bottom 50%, or 40% or 30% pay? What is their “fair share”?

We both already know that the bottom 50% DONT PAY ANYTHING, but does Darelene or skyfet know that? I doubt it. Darlene actually think the Wash Post is conservative & Britain & France have a great healhcare system.

Thanks, Color Me Badd. We thought that scoop was pretty interesting too.

skyfet said:
Perhaps if all the freaking subsidies given to the Bank and Big oil is ended, there might be more money in the coffers. Perhaps if all the wars The country is involved with, there might be more money in the coffers. Perhaps if everyone pay their fair share of taxes, there might be more money in the coffers.

Yet you want the boomers to sacrifice what they’ve been working for all their adult life.

How do you sleep at night?

I don’t know sky, because I did not think the Government was going to support me in my old age. I sort of figured it was up to me and am planning accordingly. I pay more than my fair share and I sleep like shit worrying about the Country. So, how are you going to solve this dilemma? You see the problem, what is your solution?

darladoon said:
imagine the mind of someone who:

a. doesn’t think “obamacare” was discussed

even though “obamacare” is inherently based on……wait for it……

…..a REPUBLICAN plan.

just imagine that person’s weak, pathetic mind

How could “Obamacare” be discussed when nobody knew what was in it?

Color Me Badd said:
Hey Mediaite, I have a love/hate relationship with this site, while it is true my level of respect for politics as tabloid journalism is pretty low, it is kind of like a car crash on the highway, everyone slows down to view it. So ultimately I love this site I must admit

I also love giving you guys scoops, but I bet you are already working on this story, but did anyone catch Joe Scarborough letting the cat out of the bag as to why Olbermann was fired from MSNBC, he admitted it on air today in his smarmy little way, because he is a pretty petty guy. but it was pretty amazing nonetheless.

well tell me, what did Scarborough say?

skyfet said:
Perhaps if all the freaking subsidies given to the Bank and Big oil is ended, there might be more money in the coffers.

Yeah, son, that would certainly solve our deficit and debt problems wouldn’t it?

“The 2012 budget proposal set forth by U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, for example, would preserve $40 billion in federal oil-company subsidies over the next 10 years ($4 billion annually).”

“February Federal Budget Deficit Sets Record
Tuesday, March 15, 2011
By Martin Crutsinger, Associated Press

Washington (AP) – The federal government’s budget deficit grew by $222.5 billion in February, the largest one-month increase in history. Economists are forecasting the deficit for the year will be the biggest imbalance on record”

Yeah, that will work, son!

seek said:
well tell me, what did Scarborough say?

*

Joe Scarborough’s morning-show banter turned mysterious Wednesday when he appeared to link the media fallout after the Tucson shooting to Keith Olbermann’s exit from MSNBC. Wayne Barrett on the possible connection.

Joe Scarborough made an odd comment on Wednesday morning about the Tucson shooting that got me thinking.

Gabriel Sherman was the guest. His recent New York magazine cover on Roger Ailes has provoked a lot of talk. Mika Brzezinski steered the conversation to Tucson. Sherman wrote that it was “a turning point” for Ailes and that Ailes “told all of our guys, ‘Shut up, tone it down, make your arguments intellectually’” after the rampage, which some said was tied to the red-hot level of public debate. Brzezinski and Sherman simultaneously used the word “civility” as the Ailes-approved outcome of the tragedy.

Scarborough had sat out the Tucson discussion so far, but with Sherman in mid-sentence, he suddenly felt the urge to tease.

“By the way,” he interrupted, only to turn up the volume to declare a second time: “BY THE WAY!”

“By the way and this is all I will say,” he declared, as if he was about to reveal a state secret, or at least an MSNBC secret.

“Not just Fox News. Everywhere.”

Sherman and Brzezinski thought Scarborough was making a cultural comment and went on about how the murders of six at a shopping center meeting with a congresswoman “caused everyone to talk” and were a “moment of public discussion,” missing Scarborough’s very particular point.

So Morning Joe let his Starbucks do the talking and started spelling it out, in a loud, slow, and insistent voice. “NOT… JUST… AT… FOX NEWS.”

“I know, but…” chimed in Brzezinski.

“Let me just say it again,” Scarborough said. A bad-boy smile lit his face. “NOT… JUST… AT… FOX NEWS.” Mike Barnicle started laughing out loud, and Scarborough’s grin grew. “Let’s… let’s… go to Mike Barnicle right now.”

“Let me just say it again,” Scarborough said. A bad-boy smile lit his face. “NOT… JUST… AT… FOX NEWS.”

I went to my computer and punched in the date of the massacre—January 8—and the date of Keith Olbermann’s departure from MSNBC—January 21. Scarborough certainly appeared to be saying that another, unnamed, news network decided to use Tucson as a rationale for cleaning up its act. He appeared also to be saying he had inside information about it that he could only chortle about, unable to spell it out. Of course, MSNBC and Olbermann signed a non-aggression pact, and Scarborough appeared to be on the brink of breaking it.

Olbermann had actually done a provocative special comment after the killings, denouncing Sarah Palin, Bill O’Reilly, and Glenn Beck and demanding apologies for “ever turning to the death fantasies and the dreams of bloodlust,” announcing that it was time “to put the guns down and put the gun metaphors away and permanently.” He also apologized for and repudiated anything in his own past that may have “encouraged violence.” The comments provoked a firestorm on the right.

Ironically, when Olbermann delivered that special comment, he had just escaped from MSNBC purgatory, having been suspended a couple of months earlier for giving three Democrats campaign contributions, including the congresswoman shot in Tucson, Gabrielle Giffords.

I emailed Olbermann about the Scarborough banter and he refused to comment. Scarborough and Phil Griffin, who runs MSNBC, did not respond to emails that detailed my questions about this mysterious reference on the show.

very interesting notsofast. Thanks

Have seen several of Pawlenty’s speeches including his comments or answers to questions on Morning Joe. He’s got the passion and the gutts to at least speak his mind and provide at least some specifics on numerous issues, unlike Romney, Huntsman, Bachmann or Palin, who go with a few talking points and provide no substance. As of now I’m leaning toward Pawlenty as the nominee. Hoping that Bachmann and Palin will both run cancel out the tea party vote and Pawlenty takes Iowa, either win or take second in New Hampshire. This will pretty much render Palin and Bachmann as irrelevant, which will leave Romney, Pawlenty, and Huntsman left standing, with either of the three can win Florida. However, I doubt that Palin will even run. She’s just trying to get attention and promote her brand. It’s all a smoke screen. If she was actually running, Roger Ailes would take her of the air as he did with Gingrich and Santorum. If she runs, she’ll lose and the value of her brand and influence will go down substantially.

I work as a disability advocate at a rehab center in Phila,PA My supervisor told me and our fellow advocates that Paul Ryan’s Medicare plan is to give any user of this plan $8000.00 dollars. Doe this mean per year or does it mean for the rest of their lives. Even if its yearly $8000.00 seems horribly too low. My boss’s other comment was when the money ran out the recipients would be in the OOL club.* *out of luck club. Two questions .Does anybody here know if what I wrote is true? Is this what Tim Pawlenty proposes. I certain hope it isn’t.

Lynda Appell says:
Does anybody here know if what I wrote is true? Is this what Tim Pawlenty proposes. I certain hope it isn’t.
…………………………………….
You can’t ask the “teas” a fair question! When true against them, they spin it. Even if this is true as bad as it sucks, the “teas” will support it! We should however, support any change for medicare the “teas” throw out, because for now, that will be their undoing!

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skyfet said:
Azarkhan said:
Do you hear that rumble in the distance? That is the Baby Boomers – they are getting ready to retire. On January 1st, 2011 the very first Baby Boomers turn 65. Millions upon millions of them are rushing towards retirement age and they have been promised that the rest of us are going to take care of them. Only there is a huge problem. We don’t have the money. It simply isn’t there. But the millions of Baby Boomers getting ready to retire are counting on that money to be there. This all comes at a really bad time for a federal government that is already flat broke and for a national economy that is already teetering on the brink of disaster…

Beginning January 1st, 2011 every single day more than 10,000 Baby Boomers will reach the age of 65. That is going to keep happening every single day for the next 19 years.

http://therealnewsjournal.com/?p=3077

How do you sleep at night?
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Perhaps if all the freaking subsidies given to the Bank and Big oil is ended, there might be more money in the coffers. Perhaps if all the wars The country is involved with, there might be more money in the coffers. Perhaps if everyone pay their fair share of taxes, there might be more money in the coffers.

Yet you want the boomers to sacrifice what they’ve been working for all their adult life.

How do you sleep at night?

@Azarkhan: Hey, doe doe – you don’t seem to have a clue how Social Security works. You state, “… they have been promised that the rest of us are going to take care of them.”

No, crap for brains. We have been made no such promise. When I was working throughout my life for various employers, money was deducted from MY salary – repeat: MY SALARY – for deposit in the Social Security fund. The promise made to me was made BY ME, with MY MONEY, not yours or the money of anybody else, THEN or NOW.

Social Security is very solvent. It is working as intended.

If you want to continue to cry, “The sky is falling! The sky is falling!”, get back to the real problem: a runaway Wall Street, corrupt bankers and a Congress bought and paid for by Corporate Interests on both sides of the aisle.

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