This was hilarious

The teachers did not lose the right to bargain about wages. Stewart wants keep up the lie to perpetuate the myth that they lost their collective bargaining rights.

Walker and the people won the unions lost. Get over it.

Idiotic. U guess uneducated people, who watch his show, will believe that the teachers are being attacked and not the greedy unions. How about showing the violence, or lack thereof, among the tea party and the thugs in WI who are union members.

My favorite was the moment of ZEN

In a Labor Day address in 1980, Ronald Reagan said:

These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland … They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/03/ronald-reagan-where-free-unions-and.html

gordonbloyershow said:
Stewart wants keep up the lie to perpetuate the myth that they lost their collective bargaining rights.

Could you then explain what this was all about and what they did loose?

the real john t said:
Could you then explain what this was all about and what they did loose?

Public unions have been raping the taxpayers and people got fed up. That sums it up.

“Expose”!

High-fives & butt-slaps all around!

Ronald Reagan said:
These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Wisconsin… They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.

the real john t said:
Could you then explain what this was all about and what they did loose?

They didn’t “loose” anything.

gordonbloyershow said:
The teachers did not lose the right to bargain about wages. Stewart wants keep up the lie to perpetuate the myth that they lost their collective bargaining rights. Walker and the people won the unions lost. Get over it.

By that rational, why are conservatives still moaning about healthcare reform? Why don’t they get over it? Come to think of it, if HCR was
“rammed down our throats”, given that polls suggested most Americans didn’t want it, what does that say of Walker’s move?

nutsofast said:
My favorite was the moment of ZEN

In a Labor Day address in 1980, Ronald Reagan said:

These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland … They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/03/ronald-reagan-where-free-unions-and.html

What’s wrong with you? You can’t understand the difference between private sector unions and public sector?

Big Government progressive hero FDR understood this:

“All government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public-personnel management. The very nature and purposes of government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people.” – FDR

or

“Since public servants work for the people, any strike by them would be a strike against the people. The government cannot allow the essential public services it provides to be shut down while it negotiates the pay, benefits, and working conditions for public servants through collective bargaining… ” – FDR

espo222 said:
Public unions have been raping the taxpayers and people got fed up. That sums it up.

Ah, so it’s public unions raping the tax payers huh. How about those corporations, like the ones that make toilet seats for government aircraft that costs $700? How about those hammers that corporations sold to the government for $200 apiece.

Religion of Peace said:
They didn’t “loose” anything.

OH!!! So that’s why there is a big protest going on in Madison. Get your head out of the sand and watch something besides Fox.

the real john t said:
Ah, so it’s public unions raping the tax payers huh. How about those corporations, like the ones that make toilet seats for government aircraft that costs $700? How about those hammers that corporations sold to the government for $200 apiece.

Hey numbnuts, if I offer to sell you a toilet seat for $700 you don’t have to purchase it. Wait, I shouldn’t have told you that. I’ve got a tin-foil hat I’m willing to sell you for the low, low price of $500. It’s made from 100% coat hanger and aluminum foil. Get em’ while they’re hot.

turk281 said:
What’s wrong with you? You can’t understand the difference between private sector unions and public sector?

Big Government progressive hero FDR understood this:

“All government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public-personnel management. The very nature and purposes of government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people.” – FDR

or

“Since public servants work for the people, any strike by them would be a strike against the people. The government cannot allow the essential public services it provides to be shut down while it negotiates the pay, benefits, and working conditions for public servants through collective bargaining… ” – FDR

Solidarity gave rise to a broad anti-communist nonviolent social movement that, at its height, united some 10 million members and vastly contributed to the fall of communism.

Poland’s communist government attempted to destroy the union by instituting martial law in 1981, followed by several years of political repression, but in the end was forced to begin negotiating with the union. The Roundtable Talks between the government and the Solidarity-led opposition resulted in semi-free elections in 1989. By the end of August 1989, a Solidarity-led coalition government had been formed, and, in December 1990, Wałęsa was elected president. This was soon followed by the dismantling of the communist governmental system and by Poland’s transformation into a modern democratic state.

Solidarity in 1981 was a a broad anti-bureaucratic social movement. They were fighting against GOVERNMENT.

As republicans are trying to cut Government Bureaucracy, how in the world can you compare the two?

nutsofast said:
Solidarity gave rise to a broad anti-communist nonviolent social movement that, at its height, united some 10 million members and vastly contributed to the fall of communism.

Poland’s communist government attempted to destroy the union by instituting martial law in 1981, followed by several years of political repression, but in the end was forced to begin negotiating with the union. The Roundtable Talks between the government and the Solidarity-led opposition resulted in semi-free elections in 1989. By the end of August 1989, a Solidarity-led coalition government had been formed, and, in December 1990, Wałęsa was elected president. This was soon followed by the dismantling of the communist governmental system and by Poland’s transformation into a modern democratic state.

P.S. Solidarity busted “Workers of the World Unite” communism.

lonestar77 said:
Hey numbnuts, if I offer to sell you a toilet seat for $700 you don’t have to purchase it.

Unless you are Haliburton with all your no bid contracts in Iraq. Then the government has to purchase them.

Maybe Jon Jon should expose the lavish lifestyle of his greedy ass instead.

Allow me just a moment: I have been to Rome, Venice, Frankfurt, London, Paris, London(again), Paris (again), Canada several times, through 41 states of this great union, I have a small portfolio and a tidy sum tucked away. My line of work???????? Oh, geez….. I am a public school teacher. My truck and van are paid off, all three of my children have a college education (One Bachelors, One Masters and another in a PhD program in Colorado). Not one of my children lives at home or borrows money. What does their mother do????? Oh, geez… she ALSO teachers at a public school. How come when they do a bit like this they do not visit my house where it is pretty nice???????????????
PS we also have a bit of land, two dogs, two Pygmy goats, a cat and a horse. And neither one of us (teachers) was born wealthy.

turk281 said:
Solidarity in 1981 was a a broad anti-bureaucratic social movement. They were fighting against GOVERNMENT.

As republicans are trying to cut Government Bureaucracy, how in the world can you compare the two?

turk281 said:
Solidarity in 1981 was a a broad anti-bureaucratic social movement. They were fighting against GOVERNMENT.

turk281 said:
They were fighting against GOVERNMENT.

lonestar77 said:
Hey numbnuts, if I offer to sell you a toilet seat for $700 you don’t have to purchase it. Wait, I shouldn’t have told you that. I’ve got a tin-foil hat I’m willing to sell you for the low, low price of $500. It’s made from 100% coat hanger and aluminum foil. Get em’ while they’re hot.

It’s a corporations fault that elected bureaucrat’s waste tax dollars?

The examples you use are from the conservative Citizens Against Government Waste!!
http://www.cagw.org/

You should read on……………

turk281 said:
It’s a corporations fault that elected bureaucrat’s waste tax dollars?

The examples you use are from the conservative Citizens Against Government Waste!!
http://www.cagw.org/

You should read on……………

I meant to quote theRealJohnT, not you Lonestar.

the real john t said:
Unless you are Haliburton with all your no bid contracts in Iraq. Then the government has to purchase them.

Do you even know what Haliburton does? I would bet a month’s paycheck you don’t. Do you know who else does what Haliburton does? Do you know if any company out there has the means to do what Haliburton does? Do you care that Obama awarded them a “no-bid contract”? Do you know why he did this?

Or, is it easier to simply write the word “Haliburton” cuz you’ve heard the word before? Don’t get stuck on stupid.

turk281 said:
I meant to quote theRealJohnT, not you Lonestar.

Thanks. I figured.

Lonestar77– the problem we have is that our elected reps. get TONS of money from the defense industry. They don’t care what the toilet seat costs because THEY don’t pay for it. WE do. Fifty years ago a guy named Ike warned America about the “Military -Industrial Complex”. We didn’t listen. Orange John the Boner held out ’til the end for a second engine for a single engine airplane. The second engine would be built in his district.
Politicians are whores. All of them. They are for sale. If you can buy them, they’ll be good to you. Whores always are, if the price is right.
You can’t buy love, but you can rent some first class affection in DC.

lonestar77 said:
Do you even know what Haliburton does? I would bet a month’s paycheck you don’t. Do you know who else does what Haliburton does? Do you know if any company out there has the means to do what Haliburton does? Do you care that Obama awarded them a “no-bid contract”? Do you know why he did this?

Or, is it easier to simply write the word “Haliburton” cuz you’ve heard the word before? Don’t get stuck on stupid.

You just stepped into my turf. I’ve dealt with Halliburton for close to 20 years. Back when KBR was a “wholly owned subsidiary”. Halliburton got deals from Desert Storm to the Gulf of Mexico because everyone knew they had friends in “high places” who could approve any cost overrun.

nutsofast said:
My favorite was the moment of ZEN

In a Labor Day address in 1980, Ronald Reagan said:

These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland … They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/03/ronald-reagan-where-free-unions-and.html

Pretty funny. Could have used it two weeks ago.

Joseph Glackin said:
Lonestar77– the problem we have is that our elected reps. get TONS of money from the defense industry. They don’t care what the toilet seat costs because THEY don’t pay for it. WE do. Fifty years ago a guy named Ike warned America about the “Military -Industrial Complex”. We didn’t listen. Orange John the Boner held out ’til the end for a second engine for a single engine airplane. The second engine would be built in his district.
Politicians are whores. All of them. They are for sale. If you can buy them, they’ll be good to you. Whores always are, if the price is right.
You can’t buy love, but you can rent some first class affection in DC.

Fine but that guy was deflecting from the issue of public sector unions stealing money from taxpayers by criticizing a corporation for selling a $700 toilet. I’m all for stripping waste from every government department. I have no idea what that guy was trying to say.

lonestar77 said:
Do you even know what Haliburton does? I would bet a month’s paycheck you don’t. Do you know who else does what Haliburton does? Do you know if any company out there has the means to do what Haliburton does? Do you care that Obama awarded them a “no-bid contract”? Do you know why he did this?

Haliburtons main business is an Energy Sevice Group. Here are 2 of their main competitors out of Texas:

Baker Hughes Incorporated Houston, TX
Schlumberger Limited Houston, TX

Now, when can I expect to recieve your months paycheck? Plus Obama didn’t award them no-bid contracts, Bush did. Now, put your check in the mail.

the real john t said:
Haliburtons main business is an Energy Sevice Group. Here are 2 of their main competitors out of Texas:

Baker Hughes Incorporated Houston, TX
Schlumberger Limited Houston, TX

Now, when can I expect to recieve your months paycheck? Plus Obama didn’t award them no-bid contracts, Bush did. Now, put your check in the mail.

Obama & Haliburton: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-06/kbr-to-get-no-bid-army-work-as-u-s-alleges-kickbacks-update1-.html

Do some research on the services Haliburton provides in that part of the world. Unfortunately for you, it doesn’t simply boil down to Haliburton is evil and Dick Cheney used to work for them.

lonestar77 said:
Obama & Haliburton: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-06/kbr-to-get-no-bid-army-work-as-u-s-alleges-kickbacks-update1-.html

Do some research on the services Haliburton provides in that part of the world. Unfortunately for you, it doesn’t simply boil down to Haliburton is evil and Dick Cheney used to work for them.

Johnt will just cover his eyes and deny it.

lonestar77 said:
Do some research on the services Haliburton provides in that part of the world.

Your link proves nothing. Do you know Haliburton sold off KBR sometime ago. That is what your whole link is about, KBR. Maybe it’s you that should do some research.

Told ya, lonestar.

I have no idea what that guy was trying to say.
—

Like you said. He was just saying “look over there!”

Religion of Peace said:
I have no idea what that guy was trying to say.

Yeah, that’s your problem. You have very poor comprehensive skills. Did you ever get past the 6th grade?

lonestar77 said:
Do you even know what Haliburton does? I would bet a month’s paycheck you don’t. Do you know who else does what Haliburton does? Do you know if any company out there has the means to do what Haliburton does? Do you care that Obama awarded them a “no-bid contract”? Do you know why he did this?

Or, is it easier to simply write the word “Haliburton” cuz you’ve heard the word before? Don’t get stuck on stupid.

I know what Haliburton does and they are a very evil company.

Yoda002 said:
I know what Haliburton does and they are a very evil company.

I’m still waiting to see when lonestar is sending me his monthly paycheck.

I come from a family of teachers and not one of them has struggled to make ends meet. Now they are all retiring and they have better retirement and health care than any of the private sector does. Lavish lifestyle? No not during their teaching years but more than adequate. Now in retirement better than anyone else I know. You can find anyone in any field who doesn’t manage their money well and therefore doesn’t live well but most teachers are doing very well when compared to the private sector.

Ajolily said:
I come from a family of teachers and not one of them has struggled to make ends meet. Now they are all retiring and they have better retirement and health care than any of the private sector does.

Oh really. I’m retired from the Ironworkers Union and doing very well, which has nothing to do with taxpayers money. If the RWers would know anything about unions they might quit spouting off like they do. Do you think all those protesters in WI are liberals?

Ajolily said:
No not during their teaching years but more than adequate.

Did you ever ask them how much they paid into the pension plan over 30yrs? That money doesn’t just sit there it’s invested for them.

Ajolily said:
I come from a family of teachers and not one of them has struggled to make ends meet. Now they are all retiring and they have better retirement and health care than any of the private sector does. Lavish lifestyle? No not during their teaching years but more than adequate. Now in retirement better than anyone else I know. You can find anyone in any field who doesn’t manage their money well and therefore doesn’t live well but most teachers are doing very well when compared to the private sector.

the real john t said:
Oh really. I’m retired from the Ironworkers Union and doing very well, which has nothing to do with taxpayers money. If the RWers would know anything about unions they might quit spouting off like they do. Do you think all those protesters in WI are liberals?

What does being an iron worker and doing very well have to do with it as this article is about how well teachers are doing? Your response has little to do with my post. I never said Iron Workers did or did not do well. I never said anything about those protesters in WI being all liberal. Why don’t you read the post you respond to?

the real john t said:
Oh really. I’m retired from the Ironworkers Union and doing very well, which has nothing to do with taxpayers money. If the RWers would know anything about unions they might quit spouting off like they do. Do you think all those protesters in WI are liberals?

What does a RWer know about unions? Did you not just say that not all the protesters in WI are liberals? You contradict yourself. This RWer knows quite a bit about unions since my husband is retired union worker and I have 3 sisters, 8 cousins, 1 uncle and many nieces, nephews and friends who are teachers. Not to mention one cousin who is a principal. My father-in-law went around drumming up union membership in the 50s. He told us they were a necessary evil and we would have to watch them. So I know about private sector unions and public sector unions.

lonestar77 said:
Fine but that guy was deflecting from the issue of public sector unions stealing money from taxpayers by criticizing a corporation for selling a $700 toilet. I’m all for stripping waste from every government department. I have no idea what that guy was trying to say.

The issue is we’re dealing with liberals. The waste is not an issue to them. So when they complain about Halliburton it’s with full knowledge that government is a disaster.

It’s not the waste, but that Haliburton is a symbol of helping the country successful. Like Exxon. Liberals hate success so they make sure that everything related to success, including behaviors that lead to success, are ridiculed.

I am sure a lot of taxpayers who pay the salary and benefits of teachers would love to have their pay and benefits.

$100,000 AVERAGE compensation for eight months of work IS ‘lavish.’ And poor Jon Stewart is no doubt going to be incensed that, for all his screeching, this perception is reality. The public sector could ‘hide’ behind their lavish compensation only to the extent that the private sector was doing OK itself. But a receding tide exposes the seaweed, and that’s a GOOD thing.

Stewart is right. How dare teachers live at an economic level comparable to most middle class workers. Don’t folks know that teachers are entitled to live better than most folks. They even deserve to have someone come and decorate their house if it is too bland.

Notice that Stewart’s partisan propaganda pieces never mention any numbers. Instead they show us middle class people living a middle class life style and expect us to be horrified by it.

Maybe Jon should go visit a retired teacher who is going to draw 80% of her salary and get full healthcare for her and her spouse for a year. Stewart is too dishonest to do such a thing. He is here to sway weak minded and ill-informed people, not expose any truths.

“They’re not rich… so it doesn’t matter that there’s no money to give them everything they want!”

nutsofast said:
Solidarity gave rise to a broad anti-communist nonviolent social movement that, at its height, united some 10 million members and vastly contributed to the fall of communism. Poland’s communist government attempted to destroy the union by instituting martial law in 1981, followed by several years of political repression, but in the end was forced to begin negotiating with the union. The Roundtable Talks between the government and the Solidarity-led opposition resulted in semi-free elections in 1989. By the end of August 1989, a Solidarity-led coalition government had been formed, and, in December 1990, Wałęsa was elected president. This was soon followed by the dismantling of the communist governmental system and by Poland’s transformation into a modern democratic state.

Too bad the public unions in this country showed their solidarity WITH the communists during the dismal failure that was the One Nation Rally last year. The SEIU standing hand in hand with the communist party. Do you think Americans were going to forget that?

the real john t said:
Do you think all those protesters in WI are liberals?

No, most are ignorant brainwashed students and paid union thugs.

the real john t said:
Yeah, that’s your problem. You have very poor comprehensive skills. Did you ever get past the 6th grade?

Too bad you’re not so passionate about all American workers. Here’s an example of you mocking non-union workers:

“HAHAHAHAHA!!! In other words you work for a non-union builder for about $10 to $12 an hour with no benefits. You poor schmuck.”

Here’s where you can find it about half way down the page:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-calls-doctors-writing-sick-slips-in-wi-fraud-cnn-calls-it-helping-out-teachers/comment-page-8/#comments

From what I understand Jon makes a pretty good living. If he and his writers want to send a check to the various unions in WI he supports he is free to do so to help with the crushing debt WI is dealing with.

Ajolily said:
What does being an iron worker and doing very well have to do with it as this article is about how well teachers are doing?

Don’t believe a word John T. says. He is a coward hiding behind a phony name so he can claim he is anything without having to prove it.

damien said:
By that rational, why are conservatives still moaning about healthcare reform? Why don’t they get over it? Come to think of it, if HCR was“rammed down our throats”, given that polls suggested most Americans didn’t want it, what does that say of Walker’s move?

LOL, how dumb are you? Have you noticed that the people of this country held an election and they elected republicans to get rid of ObamaCare. People demonstrated against it and they did not destroy things. They voted for Scott Brown to send a message and the dems didn’t get the message. So the people voted again and threw them out.
If the people of Wisconsin don’t like what happened they can vote out the republicans in the next election, fool.
It won’t happen.

the real john t said:
Ah, so it’s public unions raping the tax payers huh. How about those corporations, like the ones that make toilet seats for government aircraft that costs $700? How about those hammers that corporations sold to the government for $200 apiece.

I don’t think the Wisconsin legislature nor Governor Walker could do anything to stop that, in this bill. Oh, sorry, you were making a phone equivalance since you have nothing worthwhile to say about the issue of public unions.

lonestar77 said:
Do you even know what Haliburton does? I would bet a month’s paycheck you don’t.

I do….they kill our troops…

http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977279834
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37107033/ns/disaster_in_the_gulf/

ChrisNH said:
$100,000 AVERAGE compensation for eight months of work IS ‘lavish.’ And poor Jon Stewart is no doubt going to be incensed that, for all his screeching, this perception is reality. The public sector could ‘hide’ behind their lavish compensation only to the extent that the private sector was doing OK itself. But a receding tide exposes the seaweed, and that’s a GOOD thing.

Talk about lavish, guess what the people of Illinois owe the top 100 Teacher’s Administrators for pensions???????

Remember, I’m talking about the top 100 paid administrators – just 100 people.

Over $885 MILLION DOLLARS. See
http://www.championnews.net/article.php?sid=1023

Liberalism is unsustainable.

Ajolily said:
I come from a family of teachers and not one of them has struggled to make ends meet. Now they are all retiring and they have better retirement and health care than any of the private sector does. Lavish lifestyle? No not during their teaching years but more than adequate. Now in retirement better than anyone else I know. You can find anyone in any field who doesn’t manage their money well and therefore doesn’t live well but most teachers are doing very well when compared to the private sector.

Are you fruit loops? My mother is going on her 40th year as a teacher in PA and makes $45k a year with 40 years of tenure. I make alot more than that at 28 with 4 years in my career field.

The only places you’re going to find someone that makes that with 40 years at a place is a fast food joint.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
I do….they kill our troops… http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977279834http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37107033/ns/disaster_in_the_gulf/

You mean like this?
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-06/kbr-to-get-no-bid-army-work-as-u-s-alleges-kickbacks-update1-.html

Where’s the outrage?

Penguin60 said:
You mean like this?
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-06/kbr-to-get-no-bid-army-work-as-u-s-alleges-kickbacks-update1-.html

Where’s the outrage?

First off that made about 0 sense.

Second off why does everyone retort with “Obama did it too!” I don’t like Obama…I just really hate Baggers.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Are you fruit loops? My mother is going on her 40th year as a teacher in PA and makes $45k a year with 40 years of tenure. I make alot more than that at 28 with 4 years in my career field. The only places you’re going to find someone that makes that with 40 years at a place is a fast food joint.

Then your stupid mom should move to WI because my wife ran the readily available numbers from the public record and they make 77K a year in slaray on average with 30K per year in benes.

That’s 107K per year for 8 plus months of work. Based there being approixmately 4.3 weeks per month and at 40 hours a weekl which I know not all teachers work that 1376 hours for 107K.

For those libs of you who can’t seem to do long division……..that’s $77.76 salary and benes per hour.

Even if you allow for the bullshit contention that these folks work 50 hours a week it’s $62.21 per hour.

That’s pretty damn good pay for a BS or BA degree and a teaching credential.

Where are the middle class in this since Obama and his blood suckers have told us repeatedly that > $75K per annum is rich………..

Quit crying and lying. The jig is up. Folks know and you will NEVER undo that.

This is a great video. Teachers have to have a formal education for their job, in most cases a master degree, unlike the yahoos who think the teachers are getting over paid or to many benefits. Those people are just jealous. Teachers are underpaid, not overpaid.

VoiceofReason said:
Then your stupid mom should move to WI because my wife ran the readily available numbers from the public record and they make 77K a year in slaray on average with 30K per year in benes.

That’s 107K per year for 8 plus months of work. Based there being approixmately 4.3 weeks per month and at 40 hours a weekl which I know not all teachers work that 1376 hours for 107K.

For those libs of you who can’t seem to do long division……..that’s $77.76 salary and benes per hour.

Even if you allow for the bullshit contention that these folks work 50 hours a week it’s $62.21 per hour.

That’s pretty damn good pay for a BS or BA degree and a teaching credential.

Where are the middle class in this since Obama and his blood suckers have told us repeatedly that > $75K per annum is rich………..

Quit crying and lying. The jig is up. Folks know and you will NEVER undo that.

You are lying!

“Teachers have to have a formal education for their job, in most cases a master degree”

Actually, “only 16 percent of teachers in their third year of teaching hold master’s degrees”:

http://blogs.princeton.edu/futureofchildren/2009/08/should-teachers-pursue-masters-degrees.html

Don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument though.

“You are lying!”

Great argument. Case closed. We have so much to learn from “intellectuals” on the left. LOL

Jackie_Treehorn said:
I do….they kill our troops…

Jackie_Treehorn said:
First off that made about 0 sense.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/for-memorial-day-how-kbr_b_207157.html

And got a no bid….just an observation.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
I just really hate Baggers.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
I make alot more than that at 28 with 4 years in my career field.

My guess is you’re not a counselor. Good luck with the hate LOL

Jackie_Treehorn said:
I don’t like Obama

Thanks for the morning laugh!

bobmoses said:
“You are lying!” Great argument. Case closed. We have so much to learn from “intellectuals” on the left. LOL

I know Bob…….how will I ever go on!!!

What’s funny as hell is as a govt worker myself I know for a fact that every single solitary soul who works for the govt. has his/her salary readily available to anyone willing to look it up. I think it has to be a matter of public record by law.

If you knew my name, you could find out to the penny how much I make.

PS…….my screed above only details what they are ass raping the WI public out of currently. It doesn’t even BEGIN to address the insult to injury they add when you begin to talk pension and retirement benes.

Damn this infernal internet……this was all VERY difficult info to ferret out and then disseminate before Al Gore went and forked it up for everyone.

Think about it. Somebody had to dig it up. At best it might be an investigative journalist……but since those seemingly died about 50+ years ago…..good luck…..so chances are you would NEVER read this in a paper and you damn well weren’t going to get it from those bastions of integrity like Brokejaw or Peter the toup from ABC…..so some shleb found it and wrote a letter or called one of his relatives. Or more likely it was simply something discussed when that person got together with family over Thanksgiving or maybe a big 4th of July picnic. Needless to say it was MUCH easier to keep folks in the dark before this damned internet made info dissemination as easy as a mouse click and faster than an SR-71 Blackbird.

With one email I could reach an infinite number of friends and family and they could in turn send it to their address list and like wildfire the genie is out of the bottle.

That’s why stuff like calling folks racists because they disagree politically is now pretty much a useless statement. We know the game now. In fact I was talking about this very thing with my wife as we watched another libbie try some other formerly dead solid lock of a tactic and we just laughed……knowing is was bullshit the minute it escaped their lips.

Used to be, that shit would have been GOSPEL!!!!

gordonbloyershow said:
Don’t believe a word John T. says. He is a coward hiding behind a phony name so he can claim he is anything without having to prove it.

I love how Gordon the curmudgeon uses a pic that is at least 10 years old in his profile. You’re a funny geezer, Gordon. Now go to the mailbox and get your “social” security check.

For God’s sake, jon, this myth of the poor indigent teachers has got to end. Why not show the lifestyle of that lying union teacher in NJ who challenged Christie by saying she would never make $80k – a figure that would place her in the 90th percentile of income earners- when she was already making $86k!

“RealClearPolitics has a video circulating of an exchange between Governor Chris Christie and Rita Wilson, a school teacher in the Rutherford School District.

The teacher demands more salary, telling Christie, “if she were paid $3 an hour for the 30 children in her class, she’d be earning $83,000, and she makes nothing near that.”

Christie told her that teachers go into teaching knowing the salary. The teacher tries to claim she does it as a calling, but clearly thinks she should be doing it to earn a cushy living.

There’s just one problem. There is one Rita Wilson working for the Rutherford School District. Assuming the teacher confronting Governor Christie is the same lady, she has no freaking clue what she makes.

Public records from the school district show her making $86,000+.”

Cry me a river, jon!

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Are you fruit loops? My mother is going on her 40th year as a teacher in PA and makes $45k a year with 40 years of tenure. I make alot more than that at 28 with 4 years in my career field. The only places you’re going to find someone that makes that with 40 years at a place is a fast food joint.

Why is your mother making the entry level wage in PA after 40 years of tenured teaching? The PA Dept. of Education publishes average teacher salaries for every school district. The statewide average full-time teacher salary for 2006-2007 was $54,977. Your mom should be making above the average with 40 years of tenure. I also make more than my family members but our take home is more equal as I pay big time for my health care and pension and they don’t. I work except for 2 weeks vacation and they get 2 plus months off and all kinds of holidays I don’t get.

” My mother is going on her 40th year as a teacher in PA and makes $45k a year with 40 years of tenure”

That is an absurd claim and probably has no basis in truth whatsoever.

bobmoses said:
That is an absurd claim and probably has no basis in truth whatsoever.

Agreed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oITaWo5z1IQ

I wonder what Reagan would say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oITaWo5z1IQ

Let’s see what Reagan has to say about Unions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oITaWo5z1IQ

gordonbloyershow said:
No, most are ignorant brainwashed students and paid union thugs.

I wonder what Reagan would say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oITaWo5z1IQ

notsofast said:
For God’s sake, jon, this myth of the poor indigent teachers has got to end. Why not show the lifestyle of that lying union teacher in NJ who challenged Christie by saying she would never make $80k – a figure that would place her in the 90th percentile of income earners- when she was already making $86k!

“RealClearPolitics has a video circulating of an exchange between Governor Chris Christie and Rita Wilson, a school teacher in the Rutherford School District.

The teacher demands more salary, telling Christie, “if she were paid $3 an hour for the 30 children in her class, she’d be earning $83,000, and she makes nothing near that.”

Christie told her that teachers go into teaching knowing the salary. The teacher tries to claim she does it as a calling, but clearly thinks she should be doing it to earn a cushy living.

There’s just one problem. There is one Rita Wilson working for the Rutherford School District. Assuming the teacher confronting Governor Christie is the same lady, she has no freaking clue what she makes.

Public records from the school district show her making $86,000+.”

Cry me a river, jon!

Of course the anti-intellectual would hate teachers…they tell them the world isn’t flat and that god didn’t create everything!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oITaWo5z1IQ

I thought Reagan hated unions?

kvon said:
Of course the anti-intellectual would hate teachers…they tell them the world isn’t flat and that god didn’t create everything!

Of course you being the asshat you are simply tossed bullshit rather than even attempt to refute what they said.

Why don’t you save your toes some misery and shut yer yap?

kvon said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oITaWo5z1IQ I thought Reagan hated unions?

Private or public sector?

And for any of you other lefties……..how is it a “fair” (and I know how much you morons strive to make everything on the planet fair) that while in the private sector one side is labor and one side is management. One side is arguing for their benefit as is the other.

In the public sector, most times the negociations are being held between labor and a politician they paid to put in office. And all the while haggling over how much of my money one will give to the other.

That’s not negocitations…….that dinner for two.

Please explain to me how that is “fair”.

Union money–BAD!
Corporate money–GOOD!
Two ultra-loons from Cal. can buy a Gov. in Wi., but teachers who live there shouldn’t be allowed to democratically unite to better their jobs and their state.
That’s some perverse idea of “Fair” alright.

VoiceofReason said:
And for any of you other lefties……..how is it a “fair” (and I know how much you morons strive to make everything on the planet fair) that while in the private sector one side is labor and one side is management. One side is arguing for their benefit as is the other.

In the public sector, most times the negociations are being held between labor and a politician they paid to put in office. And all the while haggling over how much of my money one will give to the other.

That’s not negocitations…….that dinner for two.

Please explain to me how that is “fair”.

That’s a valid point. The same can be said for corporate interests right? Especially now that they can donate as much as they want to buy the politician of their choice.
Personally I think we need drastic campaign finance reform. Only individual citizens can donate. period. No PACs , no unions , no lobbyists, no corporate interests, nada. Only individual citizens. I’d love to see conservatives and liberals get together on something like that and demand it of their candidates with a serious threat of removal if they didn’t fight for it.

Joseph Glackin said:
Union money–BAD!Corporate money–GOOD!Two ultra-loons from Cal. can buy a Gov. in Wi., but teachers who live there shouldn’t be allowed to democratically unite to better their jobs and their state.That’s some perverse idea of “Fair” alright.

Wrong!
Union money=BAD
Corporate money=BAD
Public workers are paid by the public and the public is not represented. Teachers are forced to pay dues to a union who then bribes or coerces the politicians to give the teachers what the public cannot afford and do not have themselves in equivalent jobs. Unions also use the dues paid by all teachers who include liberals and conservatives to get liberal politicians in with no regard to the conservative teachers wishes. Elections are bought and paid for. Corporate money goes to both sides of the isle to who ever can be bought. Most goes to the democrats. Koch brothers contributed only $40,000 to Walker. Only some of the collective bargaining has been stripped. So quit lying.
Business and private sector unions are for the most part good as they balance each other out. Public sector should be protected only with laws saying they get what the average worker in the private sector gets.

Ajolily–The public is represented by the elected officials.They had the right to vote for them. Union members pay dues because they receive benefits. They also freely elect their leadership. Any individual member can disagree with the political position of his union and speak to union meetings to convince others of his position. The majority rules.
The situation today is the result of thirty years of state and local governments offering better health care and pensions in lieu of monetary raises. This allowed the officials to put off the day of reckoning. It also created vast sums in pension funds that Govs. like Christie Whitman raided to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy.
This is not the day of reckoning. It is the day of accountability. The states have signed contracts that were entered in good faith by both sides. Breaking those contracts is illegal. There is no way to dance around that.
“The Koch bros. ONLY gave $40K”? That’s an average man’s salary for a year! 2000 hours @ $20hr=$40K.
I can only give $2K to a PRESIDENTIAL campaign.

Joseph Glackin said:
Ajolily–The public is represented by the elected officials.They had the right to vote for them. Union members pay dues because they receive benefits. They also freely elect their leadership. Any individual member can disagree with the political position of his union and speak to union meetings to convince others of his position. The majority rules.
The situation today is the result of thirty years of state and local governments offering better health care and pensions in lieu of monetary raises. This allowed the officials to put off the day of reckoning. It also created vast sums in pension funds that Govs. like Christie Whitman raided to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy.
This is not the day of reckoning. It is the day of accountability. The states have signed contracts that were entered in good faith by both sides. Breaking those contracts is illegal. There is no way to dance around that.
“The Koch bros. ONLY gave $40K”? That’s an average man’s salary for a year! 2000 hours @ $20hr=$40K.
I can only give $2K to a PRESIDENTIAL campaign.

That’s a joke.

The words “union” and “coercion” go hand in hand. That’s why the liberals want to get rid of the secret ballot with the Orwellianly named “Employee Free Choice Act” that would make it easy for the union thugs to target those folks who don’t want to be in the union.

Alz said:
That’s a joke.

The words “union” and “coercion” go hand in hand. That’s why the liberals want to get rid of the secret ballot with the Orwellianly named “Employee Free Choice Act” that would make it easy for the union thugs to target those folks who don’t want to be in the union.

So marriage is the coercion of a man and a woman? Take what I want to give you, or starve?
You want to get benefits you don’t have to pay for? You must be some kind of Commie.

Lonestar77….the government purchased those expensive toilet seats….isn’t it good of them to help the poor non tax paying corporaions.

oops,,corporations.

CosmosDan….wow ! my thinking also, but I don’t think either of us should hold our breaths waiting for that to happen….

Can anyone get past the narrow partisan points of view and find the common ground? Let’s make it very simple. Can we all agree that GOOD teachers are underpaid? I think I can get a consensus on that. Can we also agree that the unions have made it much too difficult for a BAD teacher to lose his or her job? If we can’t agree on that, then we really don’t care much about the students they teach. Shouldn’t that be the focus- what is best for the students? I’m all for the unions pressuring for GOOD teachers to be paid what they deserve (which they currently aren’t), but when they work just as hard to protect the BAD teachers (which they do), that is not best for the students.

Joseph Glackin said:
So marriage is the coercion of a man and a woman? Take what I want to give you, or starve?
You want to get benefits you don’t have to pay for? You must be some kind of Commie.

What are you, dense. We’re talking about public sector unions.

Don’t know about those of you that complain about teachers earnings and health and retirement plans, but you couldn’t pay me enough to be a baby sitter and that is what teachers have become because of pressure from parents to never correct their little angels or make them pay attention and learn something. I have a lot of retired friends that were teachers and believe me they can tell you some stories about what they have to put up with.If you think they are over paid, google the federal government payroll and benefit plans and perks. Believe me what a teacher gets is a pittance compared to our wonderful congressmen/women and I do think we as tax payers pay their wages and benefits, with some contributions from them as the teachers contribute to their benefits. I think the teachers do more good than the congress will ever do.

Over Paid Teachers
by Jesse A. Magan on Tuesday, March 1, 2011
Are you sick of high paid teachers? Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – baby sit! We can get that for less than minimum wage. That’s right. Let’s give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan — that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET’S SEE…. That’s $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries). What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children x 180 days = $280,800 per year.
Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here! There sure is! The average teacher’s salary (nationwide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student–a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!:)
WHAT A DEAL!!!!

Enough said!

Rockycomet said:
Over Paid Teachers
by Jesse A. Magan on Tuesday, March 1, 2011
Are you sick of high paid teachers? Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – baby sit! We can get that for less than minimum wage. That’s right. Let’s give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan — that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET’S SEE…. That’s $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries). What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children x 180 days = $280,800 per year.
Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here! There sure is! The average teacher’s salary (nationwide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student–a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!:)
WHAT A DEAL!!!!

Enough said!

Great!! Well done.

LarryB said:
Can anyone get past the narrow partisan points of view and find the common ground? Let’s make it very simple. Can we all agree that GOOD teachers are underpaid? I think I can get a consensus on that. Can we also agree that the unions have made it much too difficult for a BAD teacher to lose his or her job? If we can’t agree on that, then we really don’t care much about the students they teach. Shouldn’t that be the focus- what is best for the students? I’m all for the unions pressuring for GOOD teachers to be paid what they deserve (which they currently aren’t), but when they work just as hard to protect the BAD teachers (which they do), that is not best for the students.

Should seniority count at all? I agree we want to encourage good teachers to stay in the profession and we want to get rid of bad teachers, but I doubt we want to create a society where older employees are are cast aside when they are not as productive as new younger employees, just as we are raising the retirement age.
Tenure is ideally about making sure teachers get due process before they can be let go. That way they are free to speak out without fearing losing their jobs because they crossed the wrong supervisor or school board member. That seems like a good idea. I do get the impression that it is abused in some districts and bad teachers are not dealt with. I think there would have to be a long review process with ample opportunity to address problems and even some retraining for older or inefficient teachers. We don’t want any teacher to develop an “I don’t have to try anymore” attitude.

CosmosDan said:
Should seniority count at all?

Hey Dan,

I’ll admit straight up that this is not my area of expertise. For many years I simply felt that unions had more pros than cons. I began to question that when I watched the documentary “Waiting For Superman.”
It pointed out some interesting stats- one out of every 57 doctors loses his or her license to practice medicine,
one out of every 97 lawyers loses their license to practice law, but in many major cities, only one out of 1000 teachers is fired for performance-related reasons. Why? Tenure.
You make some valid arguments for why tenure can be a good thing. But, watching that documentary made me interested enough to do some further investigating on the subject and I now believe that the unions just went too far in their support of bad teachers. It is next to impossible to get rid of them.
A friend of mine recently retired as a teacher. He admitted to me that he was burned out the last few years and as a result he coasted and did not provide the enthusiasm to the students that he had earlier in his career. He also admitted that he might not have had that luxury if he had known there was a chance in hell he would lose his job.
I just think partisan politics has forced us all to lose sight of what this entire debate should be focused on- what is best for the students.

CosmosDan said:
Should seniority count at all? I agree we want to encourage good teachers to stay in the profession and we want to get rid of bad teachers, but I doubt we want to create a society where older employees are are cast aside when they are not as productive as new younger employees, just as we are raising the retirement age.
Tenure is ideally about making sure teachers get due process before they can be let go. That way they are free to speak out without fearing losing their jobs because they crossed the wrong supervisor or school board member. That seems like a good idea. I do get the impression that it is abused in some districts and bad teachers are not dealt with. I think there would have to be a long review process with ample opportunity to address problems and even some retraining for older or inefficient teachers. We don’t want any teacher to develop an “I don’t have to try anymore” attitude.

This is one of the few times we are in some agreement. The answer about whether seniority should count is “yes.” The guiding principles are related to whether a person is doing their job.

…and what has to be done is to aggressively counter the liberal tendencies that end up hurting the kids.

LarryB said:
Hey Dan,

I’ll admit straight up that this is not my area of expertise. For many years I simply felt that unions had more pros than cons. I began to question that when I watched the documentary “Waiting For Superman.”
It pointed out some interesting stats- one out of every 57 doctors loses his or her license to practice medicine,
one out of every 97 lawyers loses their license to practice law, but in many major cities, only one out of 1000 teachers is fired for performance-related reasons. Why? Tenure.
You make some valid arguments for why tenure can be a good thing. But, watching that documentary made me interested enough to do some further investigating on the subject and I now believe that the unions just went too far in their support of bad teachers. It is next to impossible to get rid of them.
A friend of mine recently retired as a teacher. He admitted to me that he was burned out the last few years and as a result he coasted and did not provide the enthusiasm to the students that he had earlier in his career. He also admitted that he might not have had that luxury if he had known there was a chance in hell he would lose his job.
I just think partisan politics has forced us all to lose sight of what this entire debate should be focused on- what is best for the students.

I haven’t seen that documentary yet but I will. I recorded two shows they had on MSNBC about teaching and education in America. One had the producer or director of that film and several key people in it. It was obvious that one educator in DC did not like the Union official that was there and felt that not being able to get rid of bad teachers was a huge issue with the union a big part of the problem. The 2nd show was a teacher town hall with teachers from all over the country. From the teachers that spoke there was a mixed reaction. There were enough that said that there were bad teachers that weren’t being held accountable to convince me it was an issue.
I’ve worked for companies that have fired long time employees to avoid paying retirement etc and it sucks. However, I agree that teachers must be held accountable. I think if your friend had gotten a kick in the ass and realized he could lose his job he would have mustered up some interest. Sometimes, even good people need that. I think teachers need reviews just like other employees get and ample opportunity to address problems, with a series of written warnings detailing the issues in their folder. If they’ve been informed of the problems and the expectations and repeatedly fail to meet them, then they should go.