That’s okay, Bill. It wouldn’t matter what you say. You’re a white male —> you’re, like all whites, are de facto racist according to these two.

You’re in good company Bill. They have a lot of hate for a lot of people. Mostly white people.

I may not agree with Cornel West on alot of subjects. But I always enjoy watching him speak. A very smart and good man.

Brother Cornel, Brother Tavis, and Brother Bill need their own sitcom.

O’Reilly’s is correct.   The Right wants to debate the Left.  But the Left wants to silence the Right.  

Try showing up in Cornel West’s classroom and expressing a conservative view, and see if he allows frank, open debate the way O’Reilly does night after night.  Go count how many prominent conservatives get invited to express their views on Olbermann or Maddow’s shows.  See how many conservative books get reviewed in the New York Times.  See how often Al Gore shows up in settings where he takes questions from people who disagree with his views. The contrast between Right and Left on freedom of speech issues could hardly be more striking.

Most thinking people hate you Billo. Here’s the huge leap in logic he made when talking to those two esteemed gentlemen. He said the addiction rate was around 9 percent and poverty rate was around 15 percent. He attributes the 9 percent addiction rate to the reason the poor are poor. That’s nonsense. I never knew that addiction only affected the poor. Tell that to lard ass Limbaugh and every other millionaire at Passages Malibu. What a dunce! This guy went to Harvard?  Thank heavens I’m a Yale man.

No RatBoy just dunces from dunceville such as yourself. Idiocy knows no color, and you my friend are playing victim and it makes me literally want to puke. Ugh . . . now I’ve really got sticky keys. See what your stupidity made me do!

Straw man argument. The discussion was on poverty not on race. Socratic Logic Offense on that taint. Citation issued for use of straw man argument. That’s a first class fallacy in argumentation. Go back 10 spaces.

Thoughtful, substantive post. Move forward 10 spaces. And smack stupid tatboy on your way.

Using big words are only a win for your argument if you can string them together in a cohesive manner.

IOW—> Try again, there, you big pile of fail.

Ouch! you wound me to the quick with your backwoods inane droning. I just want you to be able to make an intelligent argument dearie. No one brought up race in that discussion so what the sam hill are you hollering ’bout. Idiots useed to be silent. Those were the good old days.

So you’re retarded I take it “Yale”?

Apparently you’re ignorant in the ways of of Smiley/West.

Everything to them is viewed from the prism of race. EVERYTHING.

If I said, “wow, those look like ominous dark clouds”, in tandem these buffoons would hyperventilate while screaming, “Raaaaaaaaaaacist!!!1!1!! Don’t you put ominous and dark in the same sentence’. And then they’d call for a boycot of weather patterns or some such nonsense.

Of course if you were honest individual (which you’re not), you’d concede such a simple and accurate point. Yet you defend….Cornell West and Taviis Smiley?

How sad for you. Good job at picking the battles properly.

*golf clap*

Ohh… “Ratboy”…. you got me… burn. Oh, my feelings are hurt. Did you take a whole 5 minute to come up with that? With your IQ I would imagine it took all of 10 minutes. You should go to Hollywood with all that talent in writing you have. You’re wasting your talents…

Ahh, now Bill. You’re too cynical. I highly doubt they hate you. They probably hate what they feel you are doing with your contribution to national discourse, but I don’t think they hate you. I agree, I enjoyed this discussion and thought it was a step in the right direction. Instead of ad hominem attacks lobbied towards each other, we need civil debate. We maintain our national sanity this way.
 
That said, the still photo of Smily and West jumping up in the air going “OHHHHHHHHHH” is one of my favorite pictures ever. Someone needs to superimpose that picture into a picture of a roller coaster. LMAO!!!

what did i tell you about these well thought out post dude lol, nice post

Meanwhile the right is voting 100% against everything the President wants to do even if they are Republican ideas.

Both are brilliant ethical, scholarly men, you trailer park conserva-girl you – I refrained from using trash, but you’re still human waste. I know your stupid ass isn’t suggesting that if you teach African American studies classes or even sociology and philosophy that you’re racist. Of course they look at race, we just got the fuckin guaranteed right to vote in 1965 and the last two GOP chairs apologized for using the Southern Strategy. Read a book! Don’t just use the pages to wipe your fat white ass.

You really are ill equipped to debate anyone. Because you are S-T-U-P-I-D. And that’s sad (and very, very, funny). Everybody drink!

Please Mary. Talk to the hand . . . there I just dumbed myself down to your idiotic level. Don’t play me boy!

Kromecom,
What the hell are you thinking???
Sorry for your lost mind and misguided thoughts.
You need real help…

Sorry, cjd. One of these days I’ll get plastered drunk and go off the rails. Not tonight though. Not with my Cardinals a game ahead the Brewers. I’m too happy to have an anger filled post directed at someone I’ve never met.

And in other news, Herman Cain says 82 % of the American public supporting increased taxation of millionnaires are “brainwashed.” Riiiiiiiiiggghhhhht! Only Fox viewers know what’s really going on. These are the same people who think Sara Plain and Stupid is a member of MENSA. No that’s not Spanish you idiots. OY!

Missconservagal you are correct in all ways!!!

Your original comment was pretty dumb already. Trust me you don’t need to put any effort into being dumb.

I can’t reply to kkkromecon so I’ll say it here –

“Both are brilliant ethical, scholarly men,”

This is what he said. No seriously. This is what he said. Wow.

Brilliant? On what planet. I don’t speak mush-mouth & rabble rousing 101 so I guess I don’t understand this brilliance to which you speak.

And Tavis Smiley – ethical?? The same person that didn’t graduate from IU because he was accused of plagiarism? Also, while in college (where he didn’t graduate — just letting it sink in), he went to jail for fraud. Fantastic – I love your standards. You’re showing yourself to be a true Democrat.

I have no clue why you’re talking about w/the 1965 Civil Rights Act. Your party of pukes filibustered that act. 80% of Republicans supported it while a measley 40% of Dems opposed it. You’re an ignorant stooge.

Go call for a revolution and shit on a cop car you progressive puke.  And while you’re at it, go get your shinebox, son.

white girl playing the victim card…4 most important things to have in order to be attracted to the Tea party
1) Self pity
2) Self righteousness
3) hatred of education and or science
4) love of ignorance

Ahh, but one thing you conveniently fail to mention in your synopsis of the whole Civil Rights fight in congress is that after it passed virtually all of the so called “Dixie-crats”  – the conservative southern Dems who opposed passage of the Act – immediately switched parties to the GOP with the major exception of Robert Byrd. 

This was the huge re-alignment of the parties, and the genesis for the “Southern Strategy” originated by Nixon to use racial fear and animus to lock in the southern conservative vote.   Reagan used this to particular advantage in 1980 by making his first appearance as the official Republican candidate in Philadelphia, Mississippi, site of one of the most horrific civil rights murders in 1964.

Also, you might want to take a second look at how Billy Batts ended up.  I’m going to get the bag of lime.

Ahh, but one thing you conveniently fail to mention in your synopsis of the whole Civil Rights fight in congress is that after it passed virtually all of the so called “Dixie-crats”  – the conservative southern Dems who opposed passage of the Act – immediately switched parties to the GOP with the major exception of Robert Byrd. 

This was the huge re-alignment of the parties, and the genesis for the “Southern Strategy” originated by Nixon to use racial fear and animus to lock in the southern conservative vote.   Reagan used this to particular advantage in 1980 by making his first appearance as the official Republican candidate in Philadelphia, Mississippi, site of one of the most horrific civil rights murders in 1964.

Also, you might want to take a second look at how Billy Batts ended up.  I’m going to get the bag of lime.

He learned that from his Marxist-socialist CAPITALIST PAID university professor.

You just described the perfect Democratic voter.

Emotionally needy at this late age?

Kudos just because he shares your belief? I’m disappointed. I just saw the same “good and smart man” comment being effused upon Hermann Cain.

The original interview was great, though. It was not perfect, but all sides got to make their points. O’Reilly is no Hannity ;-)

Felix, you may be right about Prof. West’s class. Have you verified, though, what you’re saying is true? He will not allow reasonable conservative interpretation to be voiced in class discussion/question times? I know some liberals are that way . . .

Maddow and Olbermann are somewhat inbred in their guest list — all of msnbc seems that way. Maddow does have strong conservatives on. Ed Rollins was there tonight, I think. Yesterday too one of the top Republican leaders was on — and last week Buddy Roemer for like the second or third time was on. Olbermann. It is great that he says what needs to be said. He does take himself too seriously, though, and seems afflicted with the desire to surround himself with yes-men. It’s disgusting, actually. But he does have a lot of good “sermons”. 

Your caricature of the Left as universally dismissive of conservatism is overstating the case, though. Liberals may not respect conservatism as much as they should, but they shy away from censorship. And what the Republican Party stands for now is not conservatism. It is just the ravings of Rush, Rupert, and Rove. Whatever reality TV scenario they can throw up on the screen, you all believe. It is hard to respect such idiocy. I constantly tell my liberal brethren ad sistern that conservatism itself is needed. It is part of the balance of a diverse community. But then they just point to you guys acting like a bunch of power-hungry  crazies. For many liberals, your actions speak louder than our words.

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Harry B: ” I think Cain is a bad apple & not a nice person”
Bill B: ” It’s this type of VILE personal attacks that do nothing for both sides!”
Cornell W: ” True true! brother Bill!”
Less than 1min 20 sec later…..
Bill O: “Ok guys back to the zombie Harry, I fee..”
He (Bill) was cut off by both men, with Dr. West saying ” Whoa whoa! a minute ago YOU spoke on NOT calling people names! Less than 1minute ago!”
Bill O. ( looking upset ) “Um um well I ment he has the mind of a zombie or..or um..”
At this point both men are lol along with some of the folks behind Bill.

Bill goes to break …..

Yeah that’s right. In Conserv-verse. Elite is an insult not a compliment. People rode dinosaurs. And a college education is part of a liberal plot. What dildos.

La, la, la, la, la, la, there’s a village someone looking for it’s idiot. And I think I just found you.

I’m wounded. How could you say something so cruel. Leave Kromecom alone! LMAO

Not because he shares my beliefs. Because he or she posted thoughfully on the topic with logical fallacy.
No Straw Man Attack
No Ad Hominem Attack
No Slippery Slope
No Fear appeal
and on and on.

I think the electorate was much more informed prior to Fox News and the rise of a.m. radio.

without logical fallacies, I meant.

Okay class today’s lesson is on “projection.”

Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.[1]

Smiley and West were discussing poverty. Race was not the topic. but coserva-gtrash, says they believe all white men are defacto racists, and that these two black gentleman see everything through a racial prism. However, she is the only one that interjected race into this topic. And got many of us posters to discuss race rather than poverty. Mission accomplished wingnut.

I guess any time blacks discuss poverty they are only dicusssing black poverty. So not only did she employ projection. She doubled down with a straw man fallacy.

Poor, poor  stupid girl.

Okay class today’s lesson is on “projection.”

Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.[1]

Smiley and West were discussing poverty. Race was not the topic. but coserva-gtrash, says they believe all white men are defacto racists, and that these two black gentleman see everything through a racial prism. However, she is the only one that interjected race into this topic. And got many of us posters to discuss race rather than poverty. Mission accomplished wingnut.

I guess any time blacks discuss poverty they are only dicusssing black poverty. So not only did she employ projection. She doubled down with a straw man fallacy.

Poor, poor  stupid girl.

Actually Smiley and West have a primary interest in the difference between the haves and the have nots and want a society where more have enough, which does mean those that have far more will have some less. They do have a primary view of race first combined with class but that reflects the reality of American society. They do not hate O’Rielly at all, just wish to educate him to reality.

Yep I need help in teaching you dino-riders the truth. You’re an embarassment to the nation and a poor reflection on our educational system. The days of sitting back and putting up with conservative stupidity are long gone. Yeah, I said it. Now run tell that . . .

Stop looking at it objectively. WHAT ARE YOU . . . . A COMMIE! {snark}

They ALWAYS ignore that. There’s that Maher/Olbermann bubble effect again. Their stupidity is boundless. And I kinda’ enjoy reminding them of that fact.

Projection number 2. I’m a black male. But according to this piece of poor white trash I’m also a member of the KKK. What a stupid, stupid women. And Jesus wept.

I know, right, how ridiculous of them to think people could still be racist? I mean, we got rid of that, right?

I like how you can misspell “woman” in the same sentence where you call someone “stupid.”

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