Interesting analysis. I will admit that if Obama wasn’t black, Hillary Clinton would be President. Obama had no real qualifications, nor did he have experience in any leadership position. That is obviously clear right now with is repeated failures. I disagree with Ru$h about Oprah though. She is a very intelligent and independent person. She succeeded because she didn’t expect anything. She’s a hard worker, very business savvy and a professional. Obama…not so much.

Would that be Olbermann, the disgraced sportscaster? – who now spews his HATE SPEECH to a dwindling audience of indoctrinated sycophants? Is that the Olbermann of which you speak? LOL!

IT’LL BE A GLORIOUS NOVEMBER! (Thank you Barry!)

So what’s wrong with what Rush said again? Bill Clinton said that obowma wouldn’t even be good enough to serve him coffee. Rush was kinder. Funny how olberdork needs a girl to fight his battles for him. Oprah should have kept from promoting any political candidate. She can have her favorites, like anyone else, but she lost my respect when she started giving speeches for one.

I still sometimes drive cross country, sometimes solo, to backpack the West. There is nothing better than Rush to keep me awake while I drive. He’s an arrogant, pompous twit that uses parody to make his point.

Note the phrase “We have made it so easy that human beings inferior to the great Rush Limbaugh… inferior creatures like Obama and Oprah Winfrey have been made wealthy and big and famous and so forth…”

I’m not apologizing for Limbaugh; the race card is unnecessary. But Limbaugh does this type of bombast because he can and because he can get people like Olbermnann frothing at the mouth. It drives up his ratings and forces others to rebut his claims. Sometimes there is even some truth to what he says!

His point just goes back to the Allen Bakke decision http://lawbrain.com/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke concerning racial quotas and reverse discrimination.

I’m just waiting for the day when KO’s head explodes so the world can be done with this guy.

Liberty Banned said:
Interesting analysis. I will admit that if Obama wasn’t black, Hillary Clinton would be President. Obama had no real qualifications, nor did he have experience in any leadership position. That is obviously clear right now with is repeated failures. I disagree with Ru$h about Oprah though. She is a very intelligent and independent person. She succeeded because she didn’t expect anything. She’s a hard worker, very business savvy and a professional. Obama…not so much.

If you were not such a Sarah Palin fan your analysis might be more credible. The Republicans were perfectly willing to put Palin, a former beauty queen, who is not smart, and who is completely unqualified, an “old” heart beat away from leading the world, and mentioning that Hillary would be President and that Obama had no experience in the same sentence also begs the same question: just what experience did Hillary have beyond Obama? As for Obama being a failure, well, at least we have not had anything resembling 911 so far, and though Obama inherited two wars and a two trillion dollar war debt from the prior administration, our country remains strong.

Old Keef is still a pretty astute sports guy moron, isn’t he?

Consequently, it is equally absurd to say that the sports media haven’t overrated Donovan McNabb because he’s black. I’m sorry to have to say it; he is the quarterback for a team I root for. Instead of calling him overrated, I wish I could be admiring his Super Bowl rings. But the truth is that I and a great many other sportswriters have chosen for the past few years to see McNabb as a better player than he has been because we want him to be.

Rush Limbaugh didn’t say Donovan McNabb was a bad quarterback because he is black. He said that the media have overrated McNabb because he is black, and Limbaugh is right. He didn’t say anything that he shouldn’t have said, and in fact he said things that other commentators should have been saying for some time now.

Rush Limbaugh Was Right

lazzzlo said:
I still sometimes drive cross country, sometimes solo, to backpack the West. There is nothing better than Rush to keep me awake while I drive. He’s an arrogant, pompous twit that uses parody to make his point. Note the phrase “We have made it so easy that human beings inferior to the great Rush Limbaugh… inferior creatures like Obama and Oprah Winfrey have been made wealthy and big and famous and so forth…” I’m not apologizing for Limbaugh; the race card is unnecessary. But Limbaugh does this type of bombast because he can and because he can get people like Olbermnann frothing at the mouth. It drives up his ratings and forces others to rebut his claims. Sometimes there is even some truth to what he says! His point just goes back to the Allen Bakke decision http://lawbrain.com/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke concerning racial quotas and reverse discrimination.

The LOL part of all this is that KO is routinely castigated here on the right for being bombastic and off the wall, while Beck and Rush, who are most certainly bombastic and off the wall, get a pass. KO is just the progressive counter to those guys. What’s the matter, don’t like looking in the mirror?

People cans say what they want. Keith Obermans could rant and wave, Bring guns and actually shoot Rush and Glen Fleck on the TV screen and he would always be far tamer and honest than either of those two. And Bill Clinton Did Not say Barack couldn’t serve him Coffee, he said that a few years ago Barack might be serving us coffee because of discrimination. What he, me and many other have said is that Sarah Palin isn’t qualified to serve anyone coffee and the would be right. What I find really sad is that the GOP is the Party of NO because he is a black President and they can get away with it because of the racist public. It only shows how far we havent come and the long road ahead.

Pablo said:
Old Keef is still a pretty astute sports guy moron, isn’t he? Rush Limbaugh Was Right

The point is, it does not matter whether McNabb is black or white. Rush making that an issue is why he got rebuked by the NFL.

TheOneIndependent said:
And Bill Clinton Did Not say Barack couldn’t serve him Coffee, he said that a few years ago Barack might be serving us coffee because of discrimination.

No, he’d be serving the coffee because he’s wet behind the ears.

valkyrie101 said:The LOL part of all this is that KO is routinely castigated here on the right for being bombastic and off the wall, while Beck and Rush, who are most certainly bombastic and off the wall, get a pass. KO is just the progressive counter to those guys. What’s the matter, don’t like looking in the mirror?

No, actually I find the whole bombast on both sides humorous! Which was my point. That’s why I brought up the Bakke reference as the basis for Rush’s rant.

valkyrie101 said:
The point is, it does not matter whether McNabb is black or white.

The question wasn’t whether McNabb is black or white, the question was about the media coverage of McNabb.

Rush making that an issue is why he got rebuked by the NFL

Regardless of his being exactly right. Oh, and it was ESPN, not the NFL.

If Obammie weren’t black..and this is not a slam on blacks, you libtard idiots…this stupid moron would be an assistant manger of a McDonlad’s restaurant.

I wanted Condi Rice to run in 2008..so stick the race card up your asses. She was very accomplished..and brilliant

Obama been promoted all his life becuase of his race. and ideology combined. Any black conserrvative is slammed by the left and the media as being a sellout or an Uncle Tom

Obammie has no published scholarly writings..he did not write “Dreams of My Father”..Bill Ayers did

Obama wil;l not release his college transcripts..becuase they would show he was likely a D student at best

Mediaite is usually the “go to” place for criticism of Sarah Palin to be published

..gosh..i wonder why they won’t mention that Levi Johnson lied over and over again about Palin and her family

http://www.mediaite.com/online/levi-johnston-apologizes-to-the-palins-for-not-completely-true-allegations/

They did.

Global elite demands political correctness. Political correctness demands positive discrimination. Positive discrimination demands the world to break apart. The broken world demands the global elite to keep the peace. At least, that is how they reason.

Definitions of obsession from the web: “an unhealthy and compulsive preoccupation with something or someone”

If the cry of “RACISM” is uttered when ever anyone mentioned our President..we will never advance.

Rush has an opinion…would it be the way I would have said it…probably not…but it is his opinion…and NOT Racist.
At least Rush is speaking an observation and not a wish for harm on someone i.e. Olbermann then concludes with a plea: “Oprah, please, crush this schmuck.” NOW that can be a call for VIOLENCE!

valkyrie101 said:
If you were not such a Sarah Palin fan your analysis might be more credible. The Republicans were perfectly willing to put Palin, a former beauty queen, who is not smart, and who is completely unqualified, an “old” heart beat away from leading the world, and mentioning that Hillary would be President and that Obama had no experience in the same sentence also begs the same question: just what experience did Hillary have beyond Obama? As for Obama being a failure, well, at least we have not had anything resembling 911 so far, and though Obama inherited two wars and a two trillion dollar war debt from the prior administration, our country remains strong.

I’m sorry dude but who said I was a Palin fan? I’ve repeatedly stated that I don’t care for Palin, although she has more executive experience when compared to Obama during the campaign.

You want to talk about debt and deficits? Ok, lets talk about debt and deficits. The highest deficit that Bu$h had, which by itself was horrible, was just below $500 billion. Obama has tripled that deficit.

2001 $5.769 Trillion
2002 $6.198 Trillion
2003 $6.760
2004 $7.354.7
2005 $7.905.3
2006 $8.451.4
2007 $8.950.7
2008 $9.985.8
2009 $12.311.4
2010 (30 june) $13.203.1

In 8 years Bu$h/neocon/democrat-lite added over 4 Trillion in debt. Obama, in 18 months has added over 3 Trillion.

Liberty Banned says:
July 7, 2010 at 8:24 am

Really well put, Liberty. Oprah didn’t rely on race to get her anywhere… she had to make it (at least to a certain point) on her own. Now, once it was clear she had superstar potential, did race help give her a boost… maybe… but at such a marginal level that it’s not enough to really complain about.

Obama, on the other hand, is a different story. But let’s bring this back to Michael Steele. Remember when the left talks about him, it’s okay to call him an “affirmative action hire” or only there because of his race. However, criticize Obama in much the same way, and the shouts of “racist” will shortly follow.

valkyrie101 says:
July 7, 2010 at 9:13 am

The point is, it does not matter whether McNabb is black or white. Rush making that an issue is why he got rebuked by the NFL.

So you believe there is a “code” of things you’re allowed to talk about, and things you’re not allowed to talk about? Really? Wow… free speech, we hardly knew ya’.

You need to stop the deficit count for Bush at the 06 levels..congress spends/wastes the money.

Ron C. de Weijze said:
Global elite demands political correctness. Political correctness demands positive discrimination. Positive discrimination demands the world to break apart. The broken world demands the global elite to keep the peace. At least, that is how they reason.

That is the vaguest “If, Then” statement I have ever read. You need to define that statement specifically. That’s a “loop”statement in logic. Who are “they” that do that reasoning? :)

Barney said:
If Obammie weren’t black..and this is not a slam on blacks, you libtard idiots…this stupid moron would be an assistant manger of a McDonlad’s restaurant.

I wanted Condi Rice to run in 2008..so stick the race card up your asses. She was very accomplished..and brilliant

Obama been promoted all his life becuase of his race. and ideology combined. Any black conserrvative is slammed by the left and the media as being a sellout or an Uncle Tom

Obammie has no published scholarly writings..he did not write “Dreams of My Father”..Bill Ayers did

Obama wil;l not release his college transcripts..becuase they would show he was likely a D student at best

More intelligent analysis from our friend Barney. Yes, busted, he’s a “D” student. How did you know? To the point, though, wouldn’t you have to had attended college to know what a college transcript looked like? C’mon old man! We know you haven’t stepped one foot near a college campus. And it’s a good thing. We want to keep our institutions of higher learning to a level of certain intellect — stupid need not apply. Smooches!

I rest my case! Bombast gets people up in arms and page hits!

KO, just STFU!

No one watches your silly ass anyway. And stop trying to raise your paltry ratings by mentioning FOX and Rush.

Pablo said:
The question wasn’t whether McNabb is black or white, the question was about the media coverage of McNabb. Regardless of his being exactly right. Oh, and it was ESPN, not the NFL.

Rush was exactly right? I wonder how many 1st round quarterback selections, white men heralded as the next great superstar, busted. Far from being a bust, McNabb has been an upper tier player. Objectively speaking Rush was wrong on the merits. Rather, Rush was seeing things along racial lines because that is how he sees things, and that is why he is persona non grata, despite all that money, in the NFL.

tjl says:

tjl has been smooching Barry’s ass for far too long!

What Olbermann may or may not understand is that what Limbaugh has said is totally within the bounds of allowable thought among people who are not leftwardly ideologically rigid in their world view.

For example, to what did Olbermann think Hillary Clinton was referring when she said on stage during a debate that it was a great honor to be on the stage with Obama? That was unprecedented in a presidential primary campaign.

The idea that being black can be an advantage in this society is heresy to people like Olbermann who are basically devoted to enforcing a certain narrative when it comes to race. Hence, the over-the-top reaction here. P.S. I’m not a fan of Limbaugh’s; but the idea that Oprah’s Donahue rip-off of a show bespeaks any tremendous talent is hilarious.

Barney said:
If Obammie weren’t black..and this is not a slam on blacks, you libtard idiots…this stupid moron would be an assistant manger of a McDonlad’s restaurant. I wanted Condi Rice to run in 2008..so stick the race card up your asses. She was very accomplished..and brilliant Obama been promoted all his life becuase of his race. and ideology combined. Any black conserrvative is slammed by the left and the media as being a sellout or an Uncle Tom Obammie has no published scholarly writings..he did not write “Dreams of My Father”..Bill Ayers did Obama wil;l not release his college transcripts..becuase they would show he was likely a D student at best

Barney, you are without a doubt my favorite poster boy for the tea party right.

Sean68 said:
What Olbermann may or may not understand is that what Limbaugh has said is totally within the bounds of allowable thought among people who are not leftwardly ideologically rigid in their world view. For example, to what did Olbermann think Hillary Clinton was referring when she said on stage during a debate that it was a great honor to be on the stage with Obama? That was unprecedented in a presidential primary campaign. The idea that being black can be an advantage in this society is heresy to people like Olbermann who are basically devoted to enforcing a certain narrative when it comes to race. Hence, the over-the-top reaction here. P.S. I’m not a fan of Limbaugh’s; but the idea that Oprah’s Donahue rip-off of a show bespeaks any tremendous talent is hilarious.

I suppose in the job market there can be advantages to being black, or white, or a woman, or a man, or disabled, or whatever. Would you admit that there are also disadvantages?

There is exactly 0 chance that a white person with the exact same resume as Obama would have gotten the Dem nod. They can deny it all they want, but we all know it’s true.

I’ve been busy with an extra-heavy work load this past week. Has MSNBC or CNN even touched the “new black panther party” voter intimidation story, or the story the black head of NASA’s claim that Obama told him to pursue as it’s top priority lifting the self-esteem of the muslim world?

P.S. How exactly could Oprah Winfrey crush Limbaugh? Her show on Sirius is a fucking joke.

Yes, KO- please continue your lib think of making every minority a “victim” of America.

And by the way, as Clinton said, “A few years ago, he (Barry) would be serving us coffee.” But Clinton never made it onto your list did he, hypocrite!

valkyrie101 said:
I suppose in the job market there can be advantages to being black, or white, or a woman, or a man, or disabled, or whatever. Would you admit that there are also disadvantages?

Yes, I would admit that; but not at the level and in the environment Obama has risen in. A certain, powerful segment of our society was openly rooting for him in large part because he was black (and shared their politics).

notsofast said:
Yes, KO- please continue your lib think of making every minority a “victim” of America. And by the way, as Clinton said, “A few years ago, he (Barry) would be serving us coffee.” But Clinton never made it onto your list did he, hypocrite!

Well, don’t forget, when the Clinton’s refused to roll over for Obama, MSNBC pretty much went into take-no-prisoners mode. Olbermann, if I recall correctly, devoted an entire show huffing and puffing about how the Clintons were like Nazis and klansmen.

When I think of Olbermann, rather if I thought of Olbermann, the image would be of a guy sitting at a desk in a darkened studio, with rows of empty seats except for 3 people sitting right in from of him. He’s talking to a tv camera that is not plugged in, spouting hate and saliva to the room, while the 3 people cheer him on. Outside the studio door we find 2 MSNBC execs peering through the little window in the door. One says to the other, “no one’s told him yet have they…”

valkyrie101 said:
Far from being a bust, McNabb has been an upper tier player. Objectively speaking Rush was wrong on the merits.

Perhaps you should look up the definition of the word “overrated”. Rush didn’t say he was a bust, he said he was overrated. Which he was, though he’s not anymore.

valkyrie101 said:
I suppose in the job market there can be advantages to being black, or white, or a woman, or a man, or disabled, or whatever. Would you admit that there are also disadvantages?

Oh, I will. And it will still be completely beside the point.

I would have never have guessed that the string following this article would be racist too. If you want to defend limbaugh there is a special place in hell for you

Totally off topic but I won one of my fantasy leagues last year with McNabb as my QB…Rush is clueless on football.

valkyrie101 says:
July 7, 2010 at 9:41 am

What year did McNabb win the SuperBowl? I can’t remember?

He’s an upper tier player… but a lower-upper tier. He won’t win the big game, and only plays well for most of the regular season, but chokes in the playoffs. He’s not that great.

Although, I have no personal animus towards him, he seems like a good guy… he’s just not that great, and once he retires NFL history will soon forget him.

Sean68 says:
July 7, 2010 at 9:51 am

Has MSNBC or CNN even touched the “new black panther party” voter intimidation story…

I did a search on both of their websites yesterday afternoon for “New Black Panthers,” and aside from a reference to the original story (from 2008), not a word.

Liberty Banned said:
You want to talk about debt and deficits? Ok, lets talk about debt and deficits. The highest deficit that Bu$h had, which by itself was horrible, was just below $500 billion. Obama has tripled that deficit. 2001 $5.769 Trillion2002 $6.198 Trillion2003 $6.7602004 $7.354.72005 $7.905.32006 $8.451.42007 $8.950.72008 $9.985.82009 $12.311.42010 (30 june) $13.203.1 In 8 years Bu$h/neocon/democrat-lite added over 4 Trillion in debt. Obama, in 18 months has added over 3 Trillion.

Sorry but have to correct you here. Fiscal year 2009 began in October of 2008, a month before President Obama was elected and 3 1/2 months before he took office. So the debt number for 2009 which you provided is President Bush’s responsibility, not President Obama’s. President Obama’s responsibility doesn’t begin until fiscal year 2010.
Now going from your numbers, fiscal year 2001 was the last year that President Clinton was responsible for, thus President Bush is responsible for adding over $6 1/2 trillion to the debt while President Obama is only responsible for less than a trillion, $891.7 Billion to be exact.

MichelleF said:
There is exactly 0 chance that a white person with the exact same resume as Obama would have gotten the Dem nod. They can deny it all they want, but we all know it’s true.

Lets say you are right: Americans decided to give an African American the chance to be President. He was an underdog, and the people cheered for him, a young inexperienced black man versus the salty war hero and the beauty queen. And without the latter, the former may have beaten Obama any way, especially if it had been Mitt Romney because that would have sealed both the racist anti-black vote, and the religious vote (minus those who do not like Mormons) in one fell swoop. Why is that wrong, unnatural or undemocratic? I cheered for Ghana too. And they were robbed (Probably because they were black:-)

Try to get your facts straight!

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/tea-party-contract-for-america-fiscal-suicide

Jon Perr, from Crooks and Liars

For starters, the Bush tax cuts the Tea Party wants to make permanent (10) are largely responsible for the expanding deficits in this decade and the next. As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) detailed, the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 accounted for almost half of the mushrooming deficits during his tenure. And as another recent CBPP analysis revealed, over the next 10 years, the Bush tax cuts will contribute more to the U.S. budget deficit than the Obama stimulus, the TARP program, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and revenue lost to the recession – combined. (Ending the so-called “death tax,” which impacts only 1 in 500 estates, will drain billions more per year from the U.S. Treasury.) An AP chart last fall of data from the Congress Budget Office show the explosion of federal debt that will ensue if the Tea Baggers and their Republicans get their way

Dave Noland said:
I would have never have guessed that the string following this article would be racist too. If you want to defend limbaugh there is a special place in hell for you

Right next to coffee and Jon Stewart on the list of Stuff White People Like has got to be: Calling other white people racist. You’re my hero.

The tea partiers are nothing but stooges of the super wealthy and their paid off politicians.

valkyrie101 said:
The tea partiers are nothing but stooges of the super wealthy and their paid off politicians.

Ahh, the accusation of false consciousness. I suppose this is more charitable than the usual assumption of pure evil.

Sean68 said:
Ahh, the accusation of false consciousness. I suppose this is more charitable than the usual assumption of pure evil.

I change my mind, and I do agree with you. The tea party knows what it is doing and its energy does not come from the corporations and behind the scenes movers and shakers that seek to use it for their own interest.

valkyrie101 said:
Lets say you are right: Americans decided to give an African American the chance to be President. He was an underdog, and the people cheered for him, a young inexperienced black man versus the salty war hero and the beauty queen. And without the latter, the former may have beaten Obama any way, especially if it had been Mitt Romney because that would have sealed both the racist anti-black vote, and the religious vote (minus those who do not like Mormons) in one fell swoop. Why is that wrong, unnatural or undemocratic? I cheered for Ghana too.were

No argument…here’s what you said that I edited out of your quote..”I cheered for Ghana too. And they were robbed (Probably because they were black:-)”

poorly edited, but, I vote fore substance and cheer for athletes. I don’t look at gender or race. Limbaugh did a parody.
Vallkyrie101…why is it so necessary to bring race into any debate?

valkyrie101 said:
I change my mind, and I do agree with you. The tea party knows what it is doing and its energy does not come from the corporations and behind the scenes movers and shakers that seek to use it for their own interest.

Do you ever sicken of sarcasm?

Oprah is a powerful media person, Obama is our duly elected President, McNabb caught the short shift from the Philly fans. They have all attained their “status” by whatever means necessary and are public figures.

As such, they should be open to criticism based soley upon their efforts/works.

When Mitt next runs for office he is likely to garner 95% of the Mormon vote. Those who say voting for Obama was racist because a very high percentage of African Americans voted for him, please explain why having almost all Mormons vote for Romney is not anti-Christian. Or the high percentage of Catholics that voted for Kennedy, isn’t that evidence of a Catholic plot?

lazzzlo said:
Oprah is a powerful media person, Obama is our duly elected President, McNabb caught the short shift from the Philly fans. They have all attained their “status” by whatever means necessary and are public figures. As such, they should be open to criticism based soley upon their efforts/works.

Let’s all celebrate Oprah’s power….to get rich heaping even more crap on the steaming dung heap that is American popular culture.

Incidentally, the white guy she supplanted–Mr. P.C. Phil Donahue–produced a much more intelligent and substantial program than Oprah ever did, would or could. Donahue lost when he tried to compete with Oprah’s dumb show.

JamesA1102 said:
President Obama’s responsibility doesn’t begin until fiscal year 2010.

Sorry, but Congress held the budget up until Obama was inaugurated. It’s his, and the Dem’s budget as well as their deficit. It also includes the stimulus, 100% owned and operated by Barack Obama. Or are you going to tell us that belongs to Bush?

lazzzlo said:
Oprah is a powerful media person, Obama is our duly elected President, McNabb caught the short shift from the Philly fans. They have all attained their “status” by whatever means necessary and are public figures. As such, they should be open to criticism based soley upon their efforts/works.

P.S. I wasn’t criticizing you. Just venting about the independent phenomenon of Oprah worship.

roxsteady said:
Try to get your facts straight!

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/tea-party-contract-for-america-fiscal-suicide

Jon Perr, from Crooks and Liars

For starters, the Bush tax cuts the Tea Party wants to make permanent (10) are largely responsible for the expanding deficits in this decade and the next. As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) detailed, the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 accounted for almost half of the mushrooming deficits during his tenure. And as another recent CBPP analysis revealed, over the next 10 years, the Bush tax cuts will contribute more to the U.S. budget deficit than the Obama stimulus, the TARP program, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and revenue lost to the recession – combined. (Ending the so-called “death tax,” which impacts only 1 in 500 estates, will drain billions more per year from the U.S. Treasury.) An AP chart last fall of data from the Congress Budget Office show the explosion of federal debt that will ensue if the Tea Baggers and their Republicans get their way

LOL…yeah real good source you partisan hack. The Bu$h tax cut was enacted in ’01. The deficit climbed to it’s height during the Bu$h years in 2004, then was on the decline, not rising as you falsely claim. Man, you’re easy to catch in lies.

JamesA1102 said:
Sorry but have to correct you here. Fiscal year 2009 began in October of 2008, a month before President Obama was elected and 3 1/2 months before he took office. So the debt number for 2009 which you provided is President Bush’s responsibility, not President Obama’s. President Obama’s responsibility doesn’t begin until fiscal year 2010.
Now going from your numbers, fiscal year 2001 was the last year that President Clinton was responsible for, thus President Bush is responsible for adding over $6 1/2 trillion to the debt while President Obama is only responsible for less than a trillion, $891.7 Billion to be exact.

Sorry dude but the 2009 budget was held up by congress. Guess who signed it when he took office…..Obama.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29632177/

JamesA1102 said:
Sorry but have to correct you here. Fiscal year 2009 began in October of 2008, a month before President Obama was elected and 3 1/2 months before he took office. So the debt number for 2009 which you provided is President Bush’s responsibility, not President Obama’s. President Obama’s responsibility doesn’t begin until fiscal year 2010.
Now going from your numbers, fiscal year 2001 was the last year that President Clinton was responsible for, thus President Bush is responsible for adding over $6 1/2 trillion to the debt while President Obama is only responsible for less than a trillion, $891.7 Billion to be exact.

Like I said, and like I debunked your claim, the democratic controlled congress held up the 2009 budget, until after Obama took office. Bu$h didn’t sign the budget, Obama signed it, it was his, and he owned it. Just like he owns the Stimulus package, this Oil disaster, the sky rocketing deficit and debt. Bush didn’t sign that bill dude….it was Obama.

Sean68 said:
Let’s all celebrate Oprah’s power….to get rich heaping even more crap on the steaming dung heap that is American popular culture. Incidentally, the white guy she supplanted–Mr. P.C. Phil Donahue–produced a much more intelligent and substantial program than Oprah ever did, would or could. Donahue lost when he tried to compete with Oprah’s dumb show.

Dung heap of American culture? No wonder you are a conservative.

Oprah doninated because she was superior, just like Michael Jordon.

…and Barach Obama.

valkyrie101 said:
Oprah doninated because she was superior, just like Michael Jordon.

I agree. She, if you like that type of BS show, was better than girly man Donahue.

Olby, Rush has the right to spout his opinions the same way you do. That first amendment can be a bitch.

Liberty Banned said:
Like I said, and like I debunked your claim, the democratic controlled congress held up the 2009 budget, until after Obama took office. Bu$h didn’t sign the budget, Obama signed it, it was his, and he owned it. Just like he owns the Stimulus package, this Oil disaster, the sky rocketing deficit and debt. Bush didn’t sign that bill dude….it was Obama.

You have a short memory if you do not think the economy was in the tank long before Obama. What was the main reason? Lowering taxes during a time of war. That was both unprecedented and not economically prudent, given the trillion plus price tag.

valkyrie101 said:
Dung heap of American culture? No wonder you are a conservative.

I suppose it’s remotely possible you were trying to make the subtle point that American popular culture IS American culture, but I think it’s more likely you intentionally misquoted me to make your point.

writer said:
Olby, Rush has the right to spout his opinions the same way you do. That first amendment can be a bitch.

Yes, it works both ways. If Rush is going to say stupid things, for ratings, others will call him on it, for ratings.

Regardless, the facts remain that the deficit under Bu$h hit its height in 2004, then started to decline. That was with the tax cuts, with both wars. Additionally, the deficit, which was both disgusting, was no where near the $1.4 trillion deficit we have now.

valkyrie101 says:
July 7, 2010 at 11:54 am

…and Barach Obama.

Yes… all hail Barach.

Sean68 said:
Let’s all celebrate Oprah’s power….to get rich heaping even more crap on the steaming dung heap that is American popular culture.

OK, “popular culture”. Either way, if you condemn American “popular” culture it is understandable why you are a conservative. It is a function of the “man is a sinner” point of view.

valkyrie101 said:
Oprah doninated because she was superior, just like Michael Jordon.

Superior in what sense? In getting ratings? Sure. The Jordan analogy is comparing apples to oranges (other than the fact that Jordan is black. He put points on the board–the only real measure of merit in a sporting competition.) Before I invest the energy, how familiar are you with the subject matter? I don’t think anyone who was around for the rise of Oprah and demise of Donahue would argue that he wasn’t witnessing the triumph of the TV talk show equivalent of McDonald’s.

Liberty Banned said:
Regardless, the facts remain that the deficit under Bu$h hit its height in 2004, then started to decline. That was with the tax cuts, with both wars. Additionally, the deficit, which was both disgusting, was no where near the $1.4 trillion deficit we have now.

The Republicans left behind a mess. That is not deniable.

valkyrie101 said:
OK, “popular culture”. Either way, if you condemn American “popular” culture it is understandable why you are a conservative. It is a function of the “man is a sinner” point of view.

Hardly. I’ve been a religious agnostic for as long as I can remember reflecting on the subject. I’m a cultural conservative in most other respects, though; you are right about that. I tend to be populist in terms of my politics and economics.

valk, that’s why Olbermann so frequently has people from Fox News on his worst persons list. They trounce him in the ratings no matter how many stupid things he says, and he’s desperate for attention.

And all the neo-cons and hard liners on the right were gung ho for war. The longest war in American history, and then when Obama is forced to string it along they yell at him for deficits associated with maintaining not just the biggest military/war budget in history, but one bigger than the sum total all military budgets from around the world combined.

writer said:
Olby, Rush has the right to spout his opinions the same way you do. That first amendment can be a bitch.

I think you’re being to charitable to Olbermann. His show is strictly limited to his view and his views alone. No contrary thought permitted. Though it must be admitted that Limbaugh is guilty of the same thing–which might have something to do with why Olbermann is obsessed with him. Though not Hannity. He has people on who will argue with him.

writer said:
valk, that’s why Olbermann so frequently has people from Fox News on his worst persons list. They trounce him in the ratings no matter how many stupid things he says, and he’s desperate for attention.

As for trouncing, you are the pot calling the kettle black, since FOX trails the USA Network on cable, and all of the main networks on non-cable television, and is getting less than 1% of the population watching. The fact is, KO going after FOX is exactly what FOX wants in order to reach more than such a miniscule number of people.

Rush’s comments were stand-alone outrageous enough that Mediaite should have had a topic about them alone.
Framing it through Olbermann has merely made this thread about Keith instead of where it belongs, on that fat racist fuck Limbaugh.

Nice going, Mediaite.

Whatever you have to say that makes you feel better. Do you actually believe that it is only one parties fault? Who took over congress in 2006? Who voted for both wars, and who voted to fund both wars? I’m simply saying that this country is in a mess, and it’s irrelevent which party is in power. Both parties got us to where we are today.

And if congress and the President allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, it’s going to get worse. Tax rates for the middle class will increase.

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, it works both ways. If Rush is going to say stupid things, for ratings, others will call him on it, for ratings.

Actually, it would work both ways if both parties were getting the ratings. They’re not.

But BFD, you’re a racist, too. You hate white people. Doesn’t that count as racism?

valkyrie101 said:
The Republicans left behind a mess. That is not deniable.

Obama tripled down on it. That is not deniable.

Change you can believe in.

ImNotBlue said:
valkyrie101 says:July 7, 2010 at 11:54 am …and Barach Obama. Yes… all hail Barach.

No, you do not have to hail him. In fact, I do not recommend that. However, it used to be a tradition that it was cool to respect and support the president, especially during a time of war.

Like the left respected Bush, you mean?

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Rush’s comments were stand-alone outrageous enough that Mediaite should have had a topic about them alone.Framing it through Olbermann has merely made this thread about Keith instead of where it belongs, on that fat racist fuck Limbaugh. Nice going, Mediaite.

Some people like all their moral questions neatly settled before they debate them so they can be a priorily assured they’re on the right side. Let’s hear it for the good team!

writer said:
Like the left respected Bush, you mean?

When was the last time anyone asked how many innocent women and children Obama murdered today?

writer said:
Like the left respected Bush, you mean?

Most Americans, on both sides of the isle, supported Bush after 911 and into a war that we were told was critically necessary. That speaks for itself.

The Dems voted for the war. They must have thought it was necessary too.

Pablo said:
When was the last time anyone asked how many innocent women and children Obama murdered today?

The left likes to ask where the tea baggers were under Bush. But they’re less interested in asking where the anti-war demonstrators are under Obama. This is not a terrible mystery. What was it that dink David Schuster used to say–That’s hypocrisy (sneer, chuckle) and that’s not right!

Pablo said:
When was the last time anyone asked how many innocent women and children Obama murdered today?

There are always nuts on both sides who will say nasty stuff. But the left did not castigate Bush as a whole, and voted in favor of his request for a war resolution. That is a far cry from the Republicans who have stated that they intend to block everything that Obama initiates so that “he fails” or dies at “Waterloo”.

writer said:
The Dems voted for the war. They must have thought it was necessary too.

They trusted their President.

Pablo said:
Obama tripled down on it. That is not deniable. Change you can believe in.

No change is possible because one party is dedicated to stopping it at all costs. That is also undeniable.

valkyrie101 said:
They trusted their President.

Dude, do you know how the intell works? It does not come threw the Presdient; he does not filter it out. Even if what you say is true, we have three separate branches of government. Congress should not just “trust” anything. It is their responsibility to conduct intelligence oversight. Come on…you know that.

The stimulus went through. Health care went through. Just what is it that’s being ‘blocked’?

valkyrie101 said:
No change is possible because one party is dedicated to stopping it at all costs. That is also undeniable.

Sorry but Obama had a filibuster proof majority. He has no excuse. The democrats own the White House, Senate and House of Representatives.

valkyrie101 said:
No change is possible because one party is dedicated to stopping it at all costs. That is also undeniable.

No one is stopping Obama from denying no bid contract to Haliburton, yet he gave Halibutorn a no bid contract less than three months ago. This is the same type of stuff he complained about when he was a Senator.

writer said:
The stimulus went through. Health care went through. Just what is it that’s being ‘blocked’?

Watered down bills are better than nothing. But I predict the Republicans are going to lose even more seats during the 2012 cycle, so perhaps Republican opposition will no longer be a problem, or an excuse for Democrats.

With congress having a 22% approval rating, that’s a bold prediction.

Liberty Banned said:
No one is stopping Obama from denying no bid contract to Haliburton, yet he gave Halibutorn a no bid contract less than three months ago. This is the same type of stuff he complained about when he was a Senator.

Obama is not a stupid man, and given the power of big oil, and the support of a majority of the population, Obama has just kept much of the Bush admin politices in place. However, after the oil spill, that will change.

valkyrie101 said:
There are always nuts on both sides who will say nasty stuff. But the left did not castigate Bush as a whole, and voted in favor of his request for a war resolution. That is a far cry from the Republicans who have stated that they intend to block everything that Obama initiates so that “he fails” or dies at “Waterloo”.

Where are the nuts calling Obama a murdering war criminal?

writer said:
With congress having a 22% approval rating, that’s a bold prediction.

The Republicans are alienating more and more people. Given the extreme positions that the Republicans are likely going to incorporate into their platform, to placate the far right, the moderate Republicans will not whole heartedly support their party. Many will go independent and vote for people like Charlie Crist. Or the Republicans will end up with two parties and split their vote altogether. Of course that will not be good.

Pablo said:
Where are the nuts calling Obama a murdering war criminal?

They are out making racist signs.

valkyrie101 said:
No change is possible because one party is dedicated to stopping it at all costs. That is also undeniable.

Actually, that is deniable because it is so utterly wrong. The tripling of the deficit was change, and the Dems ran it though Congress and to Obama’s desk like crap through a goose. Who stopped the budget? Who stopped the stimulus? Nobody did, that’s who.

Recent elections in Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Virginia seem to be going against you, valk. Stick with those predictions, though.

valkyrie101 said:
They are out making racist signs.

So, you’ve got nothing, is what you’re saying, then.

writer said:
Olby, Rush has the right to spout his opinions the same way you do. That first amendment can be a bitch.

I knew this thing would blow up, but there you have it.

Yes, KO, please ask that racist Oprah Winfrey “crush” Rush.

“I regret that [my grandmother] didn’t live past 1963 and see that I did grow up and get some really good white folks working for me”, Oprah Winfrey in commencement address at Howard University.

Liberty Banned said:
Dude, do you know how the intell works? It does not come threw the Presdient; he does not filter it out. Even if what you say is true, we have three separate branches of government. Congress should not just “trust” anything. It is their responsibility to conduct intelligence oversight. Come on…you know that.

In the end, the decision to go to war is the President’s, and only the President is in a position to know all the inteligence, and opinions of the diplomatic and military experts brought to bare.

The president decides, but congress has to approve it. Even after Pearl Harbor, FDR couldn’t just declare us at war. He had to request it from congress.

In the end, the decision to go to war is the President’s,”

Not so.

The Constitution clearly grants the Congress the power to declare war, in Article 1, Section 8. This power is not shared with anyone, including the President.

Yes, the President does not formally declare war, but the decision to go to war remains the Commander in Chief’s. Um, that is why the man with the black briefcase seems to be always following the President.

valkyrie101 said:
In the end, the decision to go to war is the President’s, and only the President is in a position to know all the inteligence, and opinions of the diplomatic and military experts brought to bare.

No, the authority to authorize the use of military force belongs to Congress, which also has access to intelligence as well as oversight responsibility over the intelligence agencies. Before such an authorization is made, hearings are held and testimony is heard as part of Congress’ deliberative process.

Maybe we could talk Glenn Beck into putting together a civics class. There seems to be a need.

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
July 7, 2010 at 12:08 pm

Waaaaaaaaaa! I don’t like it when people criticize people I agree with.

*pouts*

writer says:
July 7, 2010 at 12:12 pm

Come on, if we started listing the people Big_F hates to prove what kind of bigot he is, we’d never have time to do anything else.

Big_F is a proud bigot, who’s only purpose here (says he) is to “annoy conservatives.” A more sad and pathetic existence I cannot imagine.

valkyrie101 says:
July 7, 2010 at 12:15 pm

No, you do not have to hail him. In fact, I do not recommend that. However, it used to be a tradition that it was cool to respect and support the president, especially during a time of war.

I think that ended with the left and President Bush.

But where have I disrespected him?

valkyrie101 says:
July 7, 2010 at 12:23 pm

You’re joking right? You missed the comments of Jack Murtha, as he insulted the troops? You missed the insults from Harry Reid? The comments from the political pundits? You forgot all those already?

valkyrie101 says:
July 7, 2010 at 12:25 pm

And here I thought the Democrats ran the White House AND both Houses of Congress.

Face it, he can’t even get enough of his own party to go along anymore. It’s not the Republicans… it’s the Democrats who are shooting him down.

valkyrie101 says:
July 7, 2010 at 12:32 pm

But I predict the Republicans are going to lose even more seats during the 2012 cycle, so perhaps Republican opposition will no longer be a problem, or an excuse for Democrats.

And you base your prediction on what?

Pablo said:
No, the authority to authorize the use of military force belongs to Congress, which also has access to intelligence as well as oversight responsibility over the intelligence agencies. Before such an authorization is made, hearings are held and testimony is heard as part of Congress’ deliberative process.
.

Actually, not that simple…A Declaration of War as a formal declaration by CONGRESS is in the Constitution Article 1 Section 8.

However, that is only for a “formally” declared war. The Prez can use the 1973 Wars Power Resolution to avoid Congress via funding on 90 day turnovers., each of which has to be approved by Congress.

Additionally, I found this puppy here which is part of the Patriot act dated September 25, 2001…

The President has broad constitutional power to take military action in response to the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001. Congress has acknowledged this inherent executive power in both the War Powers Resolution and the Joint Resolution passed by Congress on September 14, 2001.

The President has constitutional power not only to retaliate against any person, organization, or State suspected of involvement in terrorist attacks on the United States, but also against foreign States suspected of harboring or supporting such organizations.

The President may deploy military force preemptively against terrorist organizations or the States that harbor or support them, whether or not they can be linked to the specific terrorist incidents of September 11.

http://www.justice.gov/olc/warpowers925.htm

lazzlo,

The Prez can use the 1973 Wars Power Resolution to avoid Congress via funding on 90 day turnovers., each of which has to be approved by Congress.

Checks and balances apply to warmaking.

Here’s the Afghanistan (or WoT) AUMF, and the Iraq AUMF.

And don’t forget about Article 2: The President shall have unbridled authority to arrest any person who is in possession of a gun and to create detention camps for people who refuse to turn in their guns pursuant to this article.

ImNotBlue said:
But I predict the Republicans are going to lose even more seats during the 2012 cycle, so perhaps Republican opposition will no longer be a problem, or an excuse for Democrats.
And you base your prediction on what?

Look, don’t be coy, that scenario I described is every Republican’s nightmare. That is why the tea partiers are being told to get back into the Republican Party, to moderate. But the tea partiers are men and woman of strong values, they will not allow their soul to be intimidated by those who would compromise with evil. More and more tea party candidates will be stepping up, and some will just run as independents or perhaps form a new party. Either way, it does not help the right elect candidates because of the split vote effect, except in only a few districts.

Rush is a loudmouth racist blowhard. Yet I’ll give him a pass on McNabb. The country was looking for a change. Sick of the politics as usual. Thats why McCain looked like a good pick for the right. From his work that crossed the aisles for years. Problems for him started when he backed Bush policies so closely. Then steps in the dimwit Palin. McCain would have still had a fighting chance if the VP pick had been a better choice. Your party failed you with these pair of jokers. It still amazes me to this day how this unlikely duo came to be, out of the group of the more qualified array to pick from. The only reason Hillary lost was she was again politics as usual. She lost a lot of voters when she started sniping every chance she got. I know its hard for you people to believe but the Obama win was not soley on race, albeit a small part. He had the right message at the right time and the money to back said message. And don’t try and pretend your party doesn’t pander. Choosing to pick a female VP to draw the women voters away from Hillary, excellent. Choosing Sarah Palin, was like pulling the pin out of the grenade and forgetting to throw said grenade. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Choosing Sarah Palin, was like pulling the pin out of the grenade and forgetting to throw said grenade. Dumb, dumb, dumb.”

Wrong!

That ticket’s polls went UP after she was chosen and for a time, they lead BHO, until McCain pulled that stupid ploy of pausing his campaign to address the economic crisis.

But a community organizer? A community organizer?

LOL

That’s why the USA is in the trouble it is in.

maxine said:
He had the right message at the right time and the money to back said message.

Oh, and what a message it was! Yes we can! Change!

Fortunately, America is learning its lesson.

“..if [President] Obama weren’t black, he’d be a tour guide in Honolulu..”

Well, he certainly wouldn’t be president. During democrat primaries, the black vote is usually more spread out than it was in 2008. In addition, if Florida and Michigan would have been counted, even the black vote wouldn’t have been enough, and Clinton would have been nominated. “Independents” then flocked to vote for the guy, as they saw him as a breath of fresh air, as opposed to the stuffed shirt white guys who had had a long run. Too late everyone (who didn’t know better to begin with) found that there’s something to be said for having experience doing anything besides stirring up low life’s against “the man”. As president, one’s expected to actually come up with solutions to problems, and lead the nation. As a rabble rouser in south Chicago, Obama never had to actually have an answer for anything, and it really shows.

Pablo said:
lazzlo,

Checks and balances apply to warmaking.

Here’s the Afghanistan (or WoT) AUMF, and the Iraq AUMF.

Thanks for the links Pablo.

I still think there is an executive “authorization” that we’re missing here but I never doubted the fact that Congress needs to be involved with any military action, whether it is an executive order that they approve via funding or something else. I could have sworn it was in the Patriot Act.

Obviously, that’s the main thing, that the Prez can’t do a Dr. Strangeglove action.

valkyrie101 said:
As for Obama being a failure, well, at least we have not had anything resembling 911 so far, and though Obama inherited two wars and a two trillion dollar war debt from the prior administration, our country remains strong.

…and the hoooooome

beerrrraaaaayyyaaaayyyyaaaayyyyaaaaave…

lazzzlo said:
Thanks for the links Pablo. I still think there is an executive “authorization” that we’re missing here but I never doubted the fact that Congress needs to be involved with any military action, whether it is an executive order that they approve via funding or something else. I could have sworn it was in the Patriot Act. Obviously, that’s the main thing, that the Prez can’t do a Dr. Strangeglove action.

Yes, every declared war was the result of the President seeking Congressional approval. Many “wars” were undeclared and it was always assumed that the President had the power to initiate conflict, or respond to conflict, as the President has done more than 125 times, including the “police action” that was the Korean War and others.

valkyrie101 said:
As for Obama being a failure, well, at least we have not had anything resembling 911 so far, and though Obama inherited two wars and a two trillion dollar war debt from the prior administration, our country remains strong.”

Sorry, BHO shill, BHO knew ALL of that back when he ran and he talked about how he was going to fix it!

And he has failed in every way imaginable.

Olbermann has such an attitude of imperialist condescension, toward people of color. When Chris Matthews excitedly exclaimed that it was his job to make Obama a success, this was imperialist condescension at its worst. I can understand the distrust of the Republicans, by people of color, but how is the view by many of these white liberals, that blacks are inferior to the mighty white man, any better? The rage of these white imperialists, when a person of color strays from the Dem party, says it all. The vicious rage and ugly attacks on Condoleeza Rice, by those imperialist loons, is proof positive, that white liberals will strike out when a person of color, dares to leave the Dem ‘Plantation.’

Has there ever been a show host more obsessed with other hosts of shows. Olbermann spends so much time settling scores and ranting about O’Reilly, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. You could forget that his show is supposed to be about politics and not about his competitors.

Maybe Keith could surprise us some day, and do a show about the thirteen trillion dollar national debt or maybe look at why we have seventeen million people unemployed in the US. Then again, if he wants to avoid subjects embarrassing to the Democrats, there aren’t many public policy issues he can look at nowadays. National debt? Economy? Unemployment? Oil spill? War? Terrorism? Taxes? Border problems? Forthcoming election? None of those are cheery stories for far left ideologues like Mr. Olbermann.

notsofast said:
valkyrie101 said:As for Obama being a failure, well, at least we have not had anything resembling 911 so far, and though Obama inherited two wars and a two trillion dollar war debt from the prior administration, our country remains strong.” Sorry, BHO shill, BHO knew ALL of that back when he ran and he talked about how he was going to fix it! And he has failed in every way imaginable.

Our country is just as safe as it was during the time of Bush, and before back to Reagan, who’s strong resolve contributed (together with the many people throughout the Iron Curtain who literally risked or lost their lives in the name of freedom, including some good old communists who did the right thing, fighting the totalitarian rulers who had enslaved them) to the fall of the Iron Curtain. Do you disagree with that? That the world is a safer place than it was before the fall of communism? So how does Obama and Clinton score on foreign policy? And why would you argue that the Obama diplomacy has failed, in that regard? It is utterly ridiculous to be talking about how nasty bad Obama is, given that you have been saying the exact same stuff since at least a year before the 2008 election primaries. Just literally the same tired song passed off as some breathtaking revelation. It is sad that you are unable to support even the position of President. I agree whole heartedly that Obama should not be worshipped. Complaints are justified. But there is also the notion of team, with the President as the duly elected Commander in chief, and we as a nation walking united. Nothing worse than bench warmers griping from the bench.

Pablo said:
Sorry, but Congress held the budget up until Obama was inaugurated. It’s his, and the Dem’s budget as well as their deficit. It also includes the stimulus, 100% owned and operated by Barack Obama. Or are you going to tell us that belongs to Bush?

So are you saying there was no federal budget for 3 1/2 months until Obama got into office? Wouldn’t the governement had shut down if there was no budget? Surely there would have been a news story about a 3 1/2 month government shut down.

As far as the stimulus, most of that was part of the 2010 fiscal year budget, not 2009.

Liberty Banned said:
Sorry dude but the 2009 budget was held up by congress. Guess who signed it when he took office…..Obama. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29632177/

You mean the entire federal budget is only $410 Billion dollars? To just quote the first line of the article you linked to: Calling it an “imperfect” bill, President Barack Obama signed a $410 billion spending package Wednesday

What the article is about is a supplemental spending bill, not the entire federal budget which is much more than $410 Billion.

felixw said:
Has there ever been a show host more obsessed with other hosts of shows. Olbermann spends so much time settling scores and ranting about O’Reilly, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. You could forget that his show is supposed to be about politics and not about his competitors. Maybe Keith could surprise us some day, and do a show about the thirteen trillion dollar national debt or maybe look at why we have seventeen million people unemployed in the US. Then again, if he wants to avoid subjects embarrassing to the Democrats, there aren’t many public policy issues he can look at nowadays. National debt? Economy? Unemployment? Oil spill? War? Terrorism? Taxes? Border problems? Forthcoming election? None of those are cheery stories for far left ideologues like Mr. Olbermann.

Felix, I can help on that, Keith can remain silent, the reason we have 17M unemployed is because the companies that used to manufacture in the U.S. now manufacture in other countries, in order to increase their margin of profits. The jobs and corporate reinvestment went to China. The U.S. worker was told to pound rocks.
And all this talk about U.S. taxes putting small businesses out of business, is such a laugh considering that just between the big three: Home Depot, Lowes, and Walmart, more small businesses have been put out of business than you can shake a Chinese made stick at, since those companies buy most of the merchandise they sell from foreign countries in bulk undercutting all U.S. markets. The storefronts along the avenues are lined with closed down paints stores, lighting fixture vendors, carpeteurs, hardware, you name it. It was not the government taxes that put them out of business.

Liberty Banned said:
Like I said, and like I debunked your claim, the democratic controlled congress held up the 2009 budget, until after Obama took office. Bu$h didn’t sign the budget, Obama signed it, it was his, and he owned it. Just like he owns the Stimulus package, this Oil disaster, the sky rocketing deficit and debt. Bush didn’t sign that bill dude….it was Obama.

No you debunked nothing. The only thing you proved was that you didn’t bother to read the article that you linked to.

As any source will tell you the 2009 budget was enacted under President Bush:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/browse.html

So now what, Liberty?

Is this site just a bunch of right-wingers complaining or what? when this site was made I thought it was cool to keep the media under fire for when they act wrong etc. but now it seems like non-story’s are being made huge story’s, I mean you guys are attacking Olbermann over being upset over him thinking Rush was wrong to say many Black Folk are only successful because of their Race, So Frances are you saying you agree with Rush? because nowhere do you criticise Rush you just criticise Olbermann

Overall I like Olbermann I think often he goes too far and makes some unnecessary jokes but many times he makes some very smart insightful commentary and/or Questions if your Left of Center, If you don’t like Olbermann or others on MSNBC Etc. don’t pay attention to them I could care less about what those on Fox News say that’s why they

Rush is right about Obama, but not Oprah.

Liberal Progressives are OBSESSED with group-identity, particularly race, which is why there is virtually no coverage (outside of FOX) on the blatant anti-white racism exhibited by the “mainstream” media’s coverage of the panther case!

To wit: How would the Race-obsessed left-wing media be covering the black panther voter intimidation support coming from this Administration if it had occurred under George Bush, & say, neo-nazis outside the polling site? – They’d be calling for Impeachment!

The DISHONESTY & CORRUPTION of the “mainstream media” in this country is sickening!

KO calls them as he sees them…..just like Windbaugh…..as far as Obama is concerned, just because u disagree with his policys doesnt make him a failure…..until the GOP baggers cum up with a viable candidate, Obama will win wvery time. If clusterfuck Bush can be President..OBAMA-_PAYLIN -Mcain-Windbaugh- can also be president

JamesA1102 says:
July 7, 2010 at 5:58 pm

You know there was no budget for this year, right? And instead, they simply passed an addition to some partisan bill saying, “the budget is passed,” even though none actually exists. This is all happening right now? You are aware… yes?

ImNotBlue said:
JamesA1102 says:July 7, 2010 at 5:58 pm You know there was no budget for this year, right? And instead, they simply passed an addition to some partisan bill saying, “the budget is passed,” even though none actually exists. This is all happening right now? You are aware… yes?

Well I guess this must be a figment of my imagination: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/browse.html

In overbite’s wildest and wettest dreams will oprah crush Mr. Limbaugh…unless, of course, she trips him and then sits on him.

Is this an admission that -0verbite would not have a snowball’s chance in hell of doing so himself?

Valkyrie, I will ask you again the same thing I asked the last time you went into these tired rants. Do you want to prevent people from buying goods made outside of the US? Do you want to pass a law taking all foreign cars off the market?

Hey, no problem with me. I always buy an American car, and always purchase American-made big ticket items. But what gives you the right to decide what other people buy? Are you emperor of the US?

Valkyrie, the reason the U.S. manufacturing jobs went overseas was due to the greed of the labor unions.

Whom Olbermann hates I shall revere.