Bill-o, it all evens out. You out-hyopcrite Stewart and he out-cusses you. No, that’s not right. You out-cuu him, too.

cuss

Bill O’Reilly only “hits back” if something really hits it’s mark. John got them pretty good.

What’s the matter Bill O? Did Stewart hit a nerve? I guess he now realizes that you’re not the “sane one”!

Jon Stewart doesn’t play fair, Bill O’Reilly does. When Jon spends as much time going after the lefty organizations who throw the race card around left, right, sideways, upside down and any other way (see MSNBC for all kinds of race card playing) then Jon might get a little more epic and get a few more vieweres. Jons “epic take down” of FNC was not epic except an epic fail. There was no there there for what Jon had to say; he is making himself the joke of the day.

“Last night Jon Stewart delivered what many thought to be an epic take down of Fox News”

Colby, just because you use the word “epic” in multiple headlines doesn’t actually make it “epic”. No matter how much you really want it to be “epic”.

O’Reilly should have pointed out that Stewart, curiously, chose to ignore the REAL opposition to Common’s invitation to the White House. The point is that Stewart is NOT a speaker of difficult truths to power (as the hep cats who worship him believe), he’s a wormy little propagandist.

Hmmm… Mediaite, when it’s John Stewart it’s “an epic takedown” or “epic critique”, and when it’s BillO, you provide a ho-hum storyline, stating that he is an elder statesman and that he is hitting back. Maybe next time you can provide an in-depth review of what BillO said, in addition to the video. When you have a story on Jon Stewart you can’t help yourself with verbose platitudes. Getting back to the facts, please note that many cops have been critical of Common and the White House, not just Fox News.

Don’t inject facts into the storyline here. Niether Jon stewart or Mediatie like that. Jon ignored it, as did Colby and all others who criticized FNC. They are clearly anti-cop since the ignored the complaints of the cops regarding Commons “barak us” appearance at the WH.

lol at Bill agreeing the Bush/Cash and Hannity/Nugent situations were “dubious behavior”, not to mention hypocritical.

Jon Stewart wins again!!!

_______________________________________________________________
CAUTION: BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THESE EX-BIRTHERS, THEY ARE ARMED AND IGNORANT…

Dem4Ever, The Lantern of Truth, juan, Arkansas Steve, murf, Jaurez
WCinWI, Barack Must Go, NOBAMA, Colorado_Conservative, gordonbloyershow
TeaPartyPatriot, notsofast, Severian, Dronetek, TfT, mitchflorida, skoorbekim
mdanielson, Harry Flashman, OxyCon and NORBIT

Stewart never even mentioned the real objection, that this moron is an advocate for a cop killer. That, combined with the fact that his “poetry” is nothing more than ebonics gibberish are both good reasons to ignore him, not honor him.

BFD: The Widow Tormenter said:
lol at Bill agreeing the Bush/Cash and Hannity/Nugent situations were “dubious behavior”, not to mention hypocritical. Jon Stewart wins again!!! _______________________________________________________________CAUTION: BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THESE EX-BIRTHERS, THEY ARE ARMED AND IGNORANT… Dem4Ever, The Lantern of Truth, juan, Arkansas Steve, murf, JaurezWCinWI, Barack Must Go, NOBAMA, Colorado_Conservative, gordonbloyershowTeaPartyPatriot, notsofast, Severian, Dronetek, TfT, mitchflorida, skoorbekimmdanielson, Harry Flashman, OxyCon and NORBIT

Cash & Nugent don’t (didn’t) write songs about specific real life killers and praise them did they?

Stewart’s “EPIC” takedown of Fox was a lesson in omission. Omit the damning facts about Common- support of cop killers, opposition to interracial relationships- and convince an audience of people who don’t know the facts and trust you. Another thing conveniently omitted from the “EPIC” takedown: Johnny Cash’s ‘violent’ lyrics were about a fictional character in his song named Willy Lee (“Cocaine Blues”)- a FICTIONAL CHARACTER who snorts cocaine and kills his woman. Common PERSONALLY supports cop killers. Common PERSONALLY doesn’t think white people and black people should date. According to Stewart’s logic, anybody who ever created a scenario of violence is violent. So…Steven Speilburg? Violent? Paul McCartney sings ‘Rocky Raccoon’, and somebody gets shot in that song, so…?

Absolutely ridiculous, but Stewart’s audience doesn’t know these things, and if Stewart doesn’t tell them, they’ll trust whatever he says no matter what. Sheeeeeeeeep.

Another poster wanting to inject fact – timzank you are confusing the posters and writers round these parts….facts don’t seem to mean much to Jon Stewart, Colby or others here. Doncha know FNC are the bad guys and those who love the cop killers (FREE MUMIA) are the good guys.

Go figure!!!!

poor Jon Steward, he is becoming the daily joke himself.

timzank said:
Cash & Nugent don’t (didn’t) write songs about specific real life killers and praise them did they?

Read my post again…

I said O’REILLY agreed they were also “dubious behavior”. HE conceded that argument.
This is a thread about HIM.

Take it up with him kthx.

Looks to me like an epic takedown of Stewart, although I’m sure the whole thing just hit a firewall in the one track minds of the puppets defending this crap.

timzank said:
Stewart never even mentioned the real objection, that this moron is an advocate for a cop killer.

Pure intellectual dishonesty.

winning said:
Looks to me like an epic takedown of Stewart, although I’m sure the whole thing just hit a firewall in the one track minds of the puppets defending this crap.

agreed, Mediaite has started to become like Media Matters 2.0 over the last month or so.

Calvin said:
Pure intellectual dishonesty.

…on Jon Stewart’s part, that is.

Stewart , Colbert and Maher are irrelevant .

Mocking is what they do – the laziest form of humor .

If they all really have huge teams of writers , then most of the writers are doggin’ it .

Bringing a Thug Gangster Rapping Cop Killer Glorifier into the White House is the issue .

And it’s a losing one for King Barry .

It is not important that fox news reports the facts on this guy because no matter what they are… liberials will lie and try to make excuses for this guy.

What is important is so many police have now come out and criticized this guy being invited to the white house.
Families of fallen officers have come out and said this was upsetting for the president to do.

yet the liberals and the media will ignore the real victims but if they can try to diminish Fox they feel Superior to there fellow nit wits!

Also, Common isn’t defending a cop-killer, he is defending someone who he believes is innocent of a cop-killing.
I’m pretty sure that people of all color have been falsely accused and convicted of crimes and only the tireless work of their advocates, some publicly, have freed them.

I’m not saying Mumia is innocent, I am only saying believing he is has nothing to do with endorsing cop-killing so right there O’Reilly’s whole argument falls apart.

That would make Barry Scheck (and this mans supporters for 19 years) pro-cop killer for believing in his innocence….

“The city on Thursday agreed to pay $9.9 million to an innocent man who spent 19 years behind bars after being framed by a notorious New York Police Department detective who doubled as killer for the mob. ”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37498690/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/ny-pay-mafia-cop-victim-record-million/

Not bad Bill not bad at all he’s like the Luke Skywalker of Fox news, their only hope. Even though Im a lib I don’t mind a logical argument from you guys. Just wish it would happen more often

The Lantern of Truth said:
Stewart , Colbert and Maher are irrelevant .

The why did BillO just address him?

LibertySister said:
What is important is so many police have now come out and criticized this guy being invited to the white house.

The 2 cops I spoke with today don’t care about Common in the White House. What they do care about and are SUPER PISSED about is the RIGHT’S attack on their Unions.

Nice Try RIGHTIES……The whole country is on to you. It’s a different world now. Now more Lee Atwater smoke and mirrors.

Bill looks like the grown up, again. Isn’t John Stewart almost 50?

BillO is talking to those that are 85 and older. By tomorrow they will have forgotten what he said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMvI5OX6nUw&feature=related

Why not?

TfT said:
Jon Stewart doesn’t play fair, Bill O’Reilly does. When Jon spends as much time going after the lefty organizations who throw the race card around left, right, sideways, upside down and any other way (see MSNBC for all kinds of race card playing) then Jon might get a little more epic and get a few more vieweres. Jons “epic take down” of FNC was not epic except an epic fail. There was no there there for what Jon had to say; he is making himself the joke of the day.

“Plays fair” without recognizing facts? Neat opinion you have there. Bill said Common sympathizes with cop killing on “2 counts”. Did he even read the case file or have someone explain Commons lyrics to him? The woman that exiled to Cuba didn’t shoot anyone. The guy that did, died.

Common isn’t supporting the killer. So I guess what you have is a case for an escaped convict *accessory* (official law term) being labeled a cop killer and then somehow attaching Common to her based on his beliefs of the case and of her innocence. Real cop killer supporter material you have there… o_O You guys are off the wall on this one.

I respect some views, but you’re just never going to win this one. I don’t say this smugly, you really are wrong, and apparently oblivious.

The real supporter of a cop-killer is Mike Huckabee, who released one from jail to kill 4 of them.

What happened to him?

Oh that’s right, he works for Fox News!!

Oh please lolwut – did or did not Jon mention the police issues with FLOTUS having Common in the WH? Did Colby or any other mediaite staffer discuss the police issues re Common at the WH? Or did they all just lay shit on FNC for nada? be honest, and you will agree – Jon and his lefty buddies went after FNC because it is what they do, facts don’t seem to matter…and don’t lecture me about oblivious.

The Republicon/bagger grapevine must be melting from the heat. The bridge may fall down from the lock-step march to defend Bilge-o.
Good God, you losers! Hannity made an @ss of himself! AGAIN! That is NOT NEWS!
Bilge-o was being a loyal co-worker, trying to make the best of a bad situation.
SUCK IT UP! F#X got schooled. If you drop your drawers, people will see the @sshole.

Lolwut said:
“Plays fair” without recognizing facts? Neat opinion you have there. Bill said Common sympathizes with cop killing on “2 counts”. Did he even read the case file or have someone explain Commons lyrics to him? The woman that exiled to Cuba didn’t shoot anyone. The guy that did, died. Common isn’t supporting the killer. So I guess what you have is a case for an escaped convict *accessory* (official law term) being labeled a cop killer and then somehow attaching Common to her based on his beliefs of the case and of her innocence. Real cop killer supporter material you have there… o_O You guys are off the wall on this one. I respect some views, but you’re just never going to win this one. I don’t say this smugly, you really are wrong, and apparently oblivious.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you’re correct, and she was an accomplice but didn’t actually pull the trigger, she’s still just as guilty in the eyes of the law, correct? And escaping from prison doesn’t exactly “boost” her credibility either. And of course running off to Cuba doesn’t exactly bolster her defense either, but hey, she was probably just an innocent bystander right?

Lolwut said:
“Plays fair” without recognizing facts? Neat opinion you have there. Bill said Common sympathizes with cop killing on “2 counts”. Did he even read the case file or have someone explain Commons lyrics to him? The woman that exiled to Cuba didn’t shoot anyone. The guy that did, died.

Common isn’t supporting the killer. So I guess what you have is a case for an escaped convict *accessory* (official law term) being labeled a cop killer and then somehow attaching Common to her based on his beliefs of the case and of her innocence. Real cop killer supporter material you have there… o_O You guys are off the wall on this one.

I respect some views, but you’re just never going to win this one. I don’t say this smugly, you really are wrong, and apparently oblivious.

The guy who allegedly pulled the trigger (the dead guy) is more culpable than she. This man who was just doing his job to keep us all safe. Or do you buy the argument that he was a racist pig? Did she testify against this cop killer? Of course she didn’t. Because she regarded the police as a kind of racist occupying force. And so does Common. And the Obama’s have a VERY sympathetic view.

BFD: The Widow Tormenter said:
The real supporter of a cop-killer is Mike Huckabee, who released one from jail to kill 4 of them. What happened to him? Oh that’s right, he works for Fox News!!

If he’d only had your crystal ball, eh wise ass?

I still think you guys are just making a huge thing out of not much. Is this the first semi controversial figure to be in the white house to perform? Its like your reaching and reaching, trying to slander this president in so many ways. If you don’t like him ok. Then work on attacking his policies

Stewart should say no. This story is nothing but the far right network trumping up some controversy by playing to their old white people audience.

Bill just wants ratings, I hope Stewart turns his ass down.

timzank said:
If he’d only had your crystal ball, eh wise ass?

He did. Jesus told him everything would be fine.

TfT said:
Oh please lolwut – did or did not Jon mention the police issues with FLOTUS having Common in the WH? Did Colby or any other mediaite staffer discuss the police issues re Common at the WH? Or did they all just lay shit on FNC for nada? be honest, and you will agree – Jon and his lefty buddies went after FNC because it is what they do, facts don’t seem to matter…and don’t lecture me about oblivious.

You need to be lectured about the obvious. You seem to disregard it. Jon Stewart skewered Beck and this manufactured “Common” controversy. But listen, you idiots are easily fooled.

BFD: The Widow Tormenter said:
He did. Jesus told him everything would be fine.

So should we go back and forth on Governors & Presidents who have made pardons that have turned out badly and add up which side has more?

That’d be fun, but it really doesn’t address the post now does it? Oh yeah, I forgot, when you dont have a legitimate argument you change the subject. Got it.

Man, the liberal sheep are out in force on this one. Although many will probably lie and say they did, it is very clear that most of the more outrageous comment-makers didn’t even see O’Reilly’s show. They just repeat the party line. (“Baaa, baaa”
). Many of the comments also bring to mind the old saying (paraphrased): “If you can’t make an intelligent argument, just call the opponents names and say stupid things.” And, by the way, knowing in advance what I will be called, I am far from a conservative (registered Independent), am far from 85 and was and still am for Hillary. I just happen to like people who can say when something is right and when something is wrong, no matter what party affiliation.

Billo, Stewart will eat your lunch like he always does when he goes there buddy.

halekai said:
Man, the liberal sheep are out in force on this one. Although many will probably lie and say they did, it is very clear that most of the more outrageous comment-makers didn’t even see O’Reilly’s show. They just repeat the party line. (“Baaa, baaa”
). Many of the comments also bring to mind the old saying (paraphrased): “If you can’t make an intelligent argument, just call the opponents names and say stupid things.” And, by the way, knowing in advance what I will be called, I am far from a conservative (registered Independent), am far from 85 and was and still am for Hillary. I just happen to like people who can say when something is right and when something is wrong, no matter what party affiliation.

Does that explain your Kool-Aid Comrades who are taking McCain to task for NOT wanting to see pictures of dead men?

The truth is clear on the Fox News GOP Fascist Propaganda Machine.

Bill-O is SS and Frank Luntz/Karl Rove serve as the GOP version of Goebbels.

Uh-oh. I wonder if this means Bill won’t get a Christmas card from Jon.

Gasket said:
Billo, Stewart will eat your lunch like he always does when he goes there buddy.

Never seen them together have you?

timzank said:
Oh yeah, I forgot, when you dont have a legitimate argument you change the subject. Got it.

I already made my argument, that believing in someone’s innocence is not endorsing the crime he is convicted of,
as O’Reilly called Common’s “pro-cop killer stance”

Care to refute that?

Azarkhan said:
Uh-oh. I wonder if this means Bill won’t get a Christmas card from Jon.

No, but he might get a falafel.

No way should Stewart come down to see Bilge-o.
If the BORing one wants to talk, he should call Stewart’s guest booker.
It might help if he had a book to sell, or something to say.

True Stewart does kinda own Bill O when they talk lol. But like I said at least Bill O has the stones to talk with Stewart. Hannity and Beck and about 99 other right wing loons are scared of him.

Glackin said:
bagger grapevine

Glackin said:
an @ss

Glackin said:
SUCK IT UP

Glackin said:
see the @sshole.

Disturbed resident of Glackin Psychiatric Clinic smearing the already discredited Glackin name even worse .
Glackin-for – brains is a serious condition .

The Huckster has a 3-F strategy – GOP insiders tell me.

Fats
Fundies
Felons

Huck knows his fool audience well!

timzank said:
Never seen them together have you?

Have. Bilge-o came out gefilte fish.

How can it be an “epic critique” if he ignored the inconveniently salient point about Assata Shakur?

Goodness the spin cycle is on overload this evening.

The woman was charged with murder. She was a criminal before and was committing a criminal attack when the officer was killed.

She got many years of jail sentence for her criminal acts. We are not talking about a sweet little innocent here.
You defending a criminal by saying “yah but she didn’t pull the trigger” is nonsense. She was a criminal; she wasn’t just at the wrong place at the wrong time. She had a rap sheet a mile long.

So semantics aside – Common was a fan of hers.
End of argument.

@ Glacks

You know the problem most of us have with your assessment is that you’re such an ideologue and hater, that Stewart could have said, “You’re right, Bill… I’m always wrong,” and your support would still be behind Stewart.

So let’s not pretend you’re not just echoing your bias.

The Lantern of Truth said:
Disturbed resident of Glackin Psychiatric Clinic smearing the already discredited Glackin name even worse .
Glackin-for – brains is a serious condition .

Were I paranoid, I would be convinced the entire reich wing is editing my remarks to make me look dangerous.
Fortunately, I recognize that one or two delusional psychopaths with multiple avatars and personalities have become obsessed with me.
This would worry me if the posters were not obviously deluded, demented and useful idiots of the reich-wing plutocrats.

@ Glackin 1005

Love tha Nazi references.

Really makes your argument strong.

Bill O’Reilly hits another home run with his ‘Epic Takedown’ of Stewart and his misguided comedy routine.

Mr. Luffa got embarassed once again. Stewart went after his minions and their ridiculous accusations. Luffa also is oblivious to the fact that Stewart pointed to the HYPOCRISY of Fox News minions and their selective outrage. For the record, Common, like A LOT of inner city black Americans, believes that Assata Shakur is innocent. O’reilly should have this debate with his friend Marc Lamon Hill. Hill is also an “admirer” of Shakur.

Dem4Ever said:
Bill O’Reilly hits another home run with his ‘Epic Takedown’ of Stewart and his misguided comedy routine.

are you nuts?

One is relevant in comedy, politics, and pop culture….and the other Is Bill O’Reilly

Here is a list of all the innocent people released from death row.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/cases-innocence-1973-present

Did all the people who supported them after they were found guilty have a pro-murderer stance?

According to O’Reilly they did. Their family and supporters were pro-murder.
None of them should be allowed anywhere near the White House. They are all bad people.

Fox gets fed their news in Black and White.
The world is gray.

James Randal said:
. For the record, Common, like A LOT of inner city black Americans, believes that Assata Shakur is innocent

It wouldn’t be the first time they were wrong about something.

Hey Fox,

YA ALL BLOW!

ImNotBlue said:
@ Glacks

You know the problem most of us have with your assessment is that you’re such an ideologue and hater, that Stewart could have said, “You’re right, Bill… I’m always wrong,” and your support would still be behind Stewart.

So let’s not pretend you’re not just echoing your bias.

Hey, POT! This is the kettle. Your glass house is in danger. Your responses are so predictable I could write them down, put them in a jar, and pull them out at random to respond to a posting here.
I don’t apologize for breathing. I don’t apologize for thinking. I don’t apologize for caring about “the least of my brethren”.
I am biased. I care more about the common man than i do about Common Stocks.
I believe “We, the People” is a social compact entered into by the Founders of our nation’
When the Pilgrims reached Plymouth in 1620, they signed the “Mayflower Compact.”
It was the first socialist agenda launched on this continent by Europeans.
It had faults,as have many since. But the continuum is toward a society that IS RESPONSIBLE for it’s members who cannot care for themselves.
Faith teaches us perfection is not something we can attain, but must aspire to.
If we are truly an exceptional nation, or wish to be, we MUST pursue the perfection we know we cannot achieve.

Girth Brick said:
The truth is clear on the Fox News GOP Fascist Propaganda Machine. Bill-O is SS and Frank Luntz/Karl Rove serve as the GOP version of Goebbels.

While your passion is to be commended I fear politics may be a bit of a reach for you.

Judging from your angry rhetoric you may want to just invest your time and angst in pro-wrestling.

Glackin said:
I paranoid,

Glackin said:
I biased

Glackin said:
I apologize

@ Glackin

What the crap are you talking about?!

You’re an ideologue… not a “thinker.” You support whomever supports the far left, and your “opinions” (read: blind support) are based on that alone.

Like I said, just stop pretending.

Glackin said:
I don’t apologize for breathing. I don’t apologize for thinking. I don’t apologize for caring about “the least of my brethren”.

Jesus Christ stop it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esqoTaWVdFg&playnext=1&list=PL6C1E91517086DA9B

Azarkhan said:
It wouldn’t be the first time they were wrong about something.

Most people who believe in a criminal’s innocence ARE wrong. Black or White.
That doesn’t make them complicit, bad people or pro crime.

Glack hasn’t had an original thought since he escaped from his mother’s womb.

ImNotBlue said:
@ Glackin 1005

Love tha Nazi references.

Really makes your argument strong.

FYI, Adolph headed the THIRD reich. All the word means is rule, or kingdom.
My reference is not to Germany, but to the global system of Fascism.
It first came to power in Italy. It “made the trains run on time,” and was wildly popular.
It was a consortium of big industry and the Gov’t. In Italy, it was FIAT and Mussolini.
In Germany, it became IG Farben, Krupp, Siemens and Hitler.
In Spain, there was Franco, in Portugal, it was Salazar.
Fascism was, and is, the combined control of power by business through a political party.
The Koch Bros., the astro-turf Tea Parties, and the bought and paid for Republicons are examples.
Boner John of Orange used to hand out bribe money on the House floor for the tobacco industry
Where I grew up, that was called a “bagman.”

Last night Jon Stewart delivered what many thought to be an epic take down of Fox News’

You are kidding right? Nobody thought this was “epic” except you fools. You embarrass yourselves with this kind of reporting. Stewart is your hero, we get that. But please stop laying your hero worship on others. I used to take this site as semi serious but now, you jumped the shark. You are epic jon stewart ass kissers, aging hipsters who believe this guy is relevant.

For one King’s dream he was able to Barack us. One King’s dream he was able to Barack us. One King’s dream he was able to Barack us.”
How Goofy is this??
Hired by the POTUS to make the POTUS feel good about destroying the country.
“For one King’s dream he was able to Barack us”
I’m going to throw upl! The whole country is bending over getting Baracked!

Azarkhan said:
Jesus Christ stop it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esqoTaWVdFg&playnext=1&list=PL6C1E91517086DA9B

IF you could read. IF you did. I would discuss it. Back under the bridge, troll.

James Randal said:
Mr. Luffa got embarassed once again. Stewart went after his minions and their ridiculous accusations. Luffa also is oblivious to the fact that Stewart pointed to the HYPOCRISY of Fox News minions and their selective outrage. For the record, Common, like A LOT of inner city black Americans, believes that Assata Shakur is innocent. O’reilly should have this debate with his friend Marc Lamon Hill. Hill is also an “admirer” of Shakur.

Ummm…For the record, Common is not an inner city black American.  He was born into an affluent upper middle class family…just for the record.

James Randal said:
For the record, Common, like A LOT of inner city black Americans, believes that Assata Shakur is innocent.

Especially the ones in Chicago that go to Trinity United, I’ll bet. Hell, a lot of inner city black people believe that the American government invented AIDS to kill black people. Any idea where they might get an idea like that? I only know of one guy who says that a lot.

BFD: The Widow Tormenter said:
Here is a list of all the innocent people released from death row. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/cases-innocence-1973-present Did all the people who supported them after they were found guilty have a pro-murderer stance? According to O’Reilly they did. Their family and supporters were pro-murder.None of them should be allowed anywhere near the White House. They are all bad people. Fox gets fed their news in Black and White.The world is gray.

Eff man. I see the light now. You better tell the NJ state police union. They’ll be so relieved to know that they’ve got it wrong. Tell the FBI she’s an innocent little saint too.

well, bill-o always brags about having high ratings (as opposed to factual, informative and interesting reporting), so i guess this is just his way of achieving that spurious goal.

seek said:
Glack hasn’t had an original thought since he escaped from his mother’s womb.

That gave me a good laugh! I’ll get another laugh when I turn this computer off and go watch the late show with Craig Ferguson. One needs a good laugh after all the Liberal Bull Spit all day.

I’m pretty sure if Huckabee pardoned cop-killer Clemmons because Jesus entered his life that makes Jesus pro-cop killer too.

Just sayin.

Dem4Ever said:
Ummm…For the record, Common is not an inner city black American.  He was born into an affluent upper middle class family…just for the record.

Still, he’s from Chicago’s South Side (where he was a parishioner at Trinity from a very early age.) He probably didn’t live in the hood, but he wasn’t far from it.

BFD: The Widow Tormenter said:
I’m pretty sure if Huckabee pardoned cop-killer Clemmons because Jesus entered his life that makes Jesus pro-cop killer too.

Just sayin.

No, it makes Huckabee an idiot.

rocky road said:
Nobody thought this was “epic” except you fools. You embarrass yourselves with this kind of reporting. Stewart is your hero, we get that. But please stop laying your hero worship on others. I used to take this site as semi serious but now, you jumped the shark. You are epic jon stewart ass kissers, aging hipsters who believe this guy is relevant.

mediaite doesn’t do “reporting”.

Pablo said:
No, it makes Huckabee an idiot.

This.

BFD: The Widow Tormenter said:
I’m pretty sure if Huckabee pardoned cop-killer Clemmons because Jesus entered his life that makes Jesus pro-cop killer too.

Just sayin.

Yeah, I just found this quote in the Bible…

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you: kill a cop, that’s cool too”

Who knew?

Too soon?

NOTICE! Jaurez and WCinWI are the same person!

seek said:
Glack hasn’t had an original thought since he escaped from his mother’s womb.

Now you are stealing my lines. The only thing original about you is your sin.

Stewart is too little of a liberal bomb throwing pussy to show up to discuss this ( Obama’s be racist ) subject.

Bill O’Reilly Hits Back At Jon Stewart’s Epic Critique Of Fox News ‘Common’ Controversy

How come so many headlines here has the word epic?

If you are over 25 years old and you still use the word “epic”, something might be wrong with you.

Or worse, you might be Eric Boehlert.

Tide goes in, tide goes out……I’m just saying, it’s all Gods doing, right? Huh?

I suspected that when I caught Juarez calling STALKER in defense of WCinWI just one minute after she herself posted. It was a tag-team post.

It was just too weird.

I disagree Barrack Must Go he goes on Bill O quite often. And Bill goes on his show. Now he has invited others on his show, and they chicken out. So he doesn’t return the favor. He knows he’s big ratings when he shows up, he aint gonna scratch their back if they aint gonna scratch his.

And say what you will I know you think he’s a left wing demon from the bottom of the sea. But his interviews with righties and lefties alike are pretty moderate and comprehensive compared to anything that Fox ever does with maybe the exception of the sunday morning show.

BFD: The Widow Tormenter said:
I suspected that when I caught Juarez calling STALKER in defense of WCinWI just one minute after she herself posted. It was a tag-team post.

It was just too weird.

Are they both sleeping with LibTor?

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grafixguy:
NOTICE! Jaurez and WCinWI are the same person!

As soon as the illegals arrive from Mexico they cross into Wisconsin there on the border and, Huh, what….nevermind.
But I smell what you’re cooking, it’s awfully fishy(what you’re cooking doesn’t smell fishy the fact the two are so similar, aw screw it I’m out.)

Tedderman said:
grafixguy:
NOTICE! Jaurez and WCinWI are the same person!

As soon as the illegals arrive from Mexico they cross into Wisconsin there on the border and, Huh, what….nevermind.
But I smell what you’re cooking, it’s awfully fishy(what you’re cooking doesn’t smell fishy the fact the two are so similar, aw screw it I’m out.)

Are you a PAID BLOGGER as well?

What do you guys make per post?

BFD: The Widow Tormenter said:
The real supporter of a cop-killer is Mike Huckabee, who released one from jail to kill 4 of them.

What happened to him?

Oh that’s right, he works for Fox News!!

If I could only give you 10 stars for this insight!

Glackin said:
Are they both sleeping with LibTor?

lol
___________________________________________
NOTICE! JUAREZ AND WCinWI ARE THE SAME PERSON!
______________________________________________________________
CAUTION: BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THESE EX-BIRTHERS, THEY ARE ARMED AND IGNORANT…

Dem4Ever, The Lantern of Truth, juan, Arkansas Steve, murf, Jaurez
WCinWI, Barack Must Go, NOBAMA, Colorado_Conservative, gordonbloyershow
TeaPartyPatriot, notsofast, Severian, Dronetek, TfT, mitchflorida, skoorbekim
mdanielson, Harry Flashman, OxyCon and NORBIT

Hey guys Huckabee is a buffoon no doubt. And he made a mistake by letting this guy out. But he didn’t kill those cops, the scumbag who walked into that eatery kill those cops. Lets not stoop to the rights level on this. He will never get elected president and this is one reason why and we should just be happy about that.

Barack Must Go said:
Stewart is too little of a liberal bomb throwing pussy to show up to discuss this ( Obama’s be racist ) subject.

I’m convinced you can’t string up enough sentences to form an argument. All I’ve seen from you is incoherent drive-by sentences that are basically the modified repetition of one sentence. “OBAMA RACIST BAD” – That is all you’ve ever posted.

Are you a PAID BLOGGER as well?

What do you guys make per post?

Not on this site, this is just for fun but I do enjoy ripping her and pointing out her inconsistencies.

Yea Raygun, Barrack Must go is part of the right wing intellectual firepower that the Heritage Foundation is always talking about.

BFD: The Widow Tormenter said:
I suspected that when I caught Juarez calling STALKER in defense of WCinWI just one minute after she herself posted. It was a tag-team post.

It’s bad enough to have dual names but to use one to echo or defend the other is just f*cking pathetic.

___________________________________________
NOTICE: JUAREZ AND WCinWI ARE THE SAME PERSON!
______________________________________________________________
CAUTION: BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THESE EX-BIRTHERS, THEY ARE ARMED AND IGNORANT…

Dem4Ever, The Lantern of Truth, juan, Arkansas Steve, murf, Jaurez
WCinWI, Barack Must Go, NOBAMA, Colorado_Conservative, gordonbloyershow
TeaPartyPatriot, notsofast, Severian, Dronetek, TfT, mitchflorida, skoorbekim
mdanielson, Harry Flashman, OxyCon and NORBIT

jo hoochie said:
I’m going to throw upl! The whole country is bending over getting Baracked!

No, only the Right is …. and only because they keep begging for it all the time. I’ve never seen such anal obsession.

Tedderman said:
Are you a PAID BLOGGER as well?

What do you guys make per post?

Not on this site, this is just for fun but I do enjoy ripping her and pointing out her inconsistencies.

Are you a paid blogger on another site, then?

BFD: The Widow Tormenter said:
It’s bad enough to have dual names but to use one to echo or defend the other is just f*cking pathetic.

They’re both racists.

Alice67 said:
They’re both racists.

The funny part is WCinWI tells me not to talk to her as Juarez constantly throws little jabs my way.

She is one sick cowardly loser.
Of course now we must doubt if she is even a “she”.

Who knows what they are.

___________________________________________
NOTICE: JUAREZ AND WCinWI ARE THE SAME PERSON!
______________________________________________________________
CAUTION: BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THESE EX-BIRTHERS, THEY ARE ARMED AND IGNORANT…

Dem4Ever, The Lantern of Truth, juan, Arkansas Steve, murf, Jaurez
WCinWI, Barack Must Go, NOBAMA, Colorado_Conservative, gordonbloyershow
TeaPartyPatriot, notsofast, Severian, Dronetek, TfT, mitchflorida, skoorbekim
mdanielson, Harry Flashman, OxyCon and NORBIT

grafixguy:
Are you a paid blogger on another site, then?

Yes, but since I couldn’t buy a good cigar with what I’ve made thusfar, it’ not worth mentioning.

darladoon said:
mediaite doesn’t do “reporting”.

Sure they do. They report or rehash or regurgitate everything time Stewart takes a shit, an epic shit at that.

Alice67 said:
They’re both racists.

jdubbellu is a stalker who has accessed your personal information. I have had a run-in with him, and reported him to Mediaite. You should, too. He also posted under “jdublue”.
To any one else who objects, “JDUBBELLU” is a rat and a mole. Your info is NOT safe around him!

BFD: The Widow Tormenter said

BFD– Be aware. “jdubblu”, a/k/a “jdublue”, a/k/a “jdubbellu” is a mole who finds personal data if he doesn’t like you and posts it.
Yet more right-wing scum floating to the surface.

Alice67 said:
They’re both racists.

Alice there is no bigger racist on here than you. Now, if you’ve got anything of value, post. Otherwise shut the hell up. Sick of your one tune.

If someone doesn’t agree they’re a freaking racist.

Weill you’re the bonehead who doesn’t know how to read. Reported someone for posting a “porn” site which was an article about one of Obama’s czars and his being involved in child porn. That’s how freaking bright you are and yet you keep posting the same crap. Grow up woman – you’re 60 some years old for heavens sake!

rocky road said:
Sure they do. They report or rehash or regurgitate everything time Stewart takes a shit, an epic shit at that.

that’s not reporting. reporting requires making phone calls, taking a pen and paper out into the streets, interviewing people face-to-face, and then doing hours and hours of research and fact-checking, etc, etc

showing video clips, and writing a one or two paragraph textual analysis, is *not* reporting

Alice67 said:
Hey Fox,

YA ALL BLOW!

Wow! you really got Fox on that intelligent comment!
Great job your living up to a typical liberal come back to any discussion.

you forgot to use the typical liberal comment when you know your wrong and cant win an argument….. call everyone a racist!

seek said:
Alice there is no bigger racist on here than you. Now, if you’ve got anything of value, post. Otherwise shut the hell up. Sick of your one tune.

If someone doesn’t agree they’re a freaking racist.

Weill you’re the bonehead who doesn’t know how to read. Reported someone for posting a “porn” site which was an article about one of Obama’s czars and his being involved in child porn. That’s how freaking bright you are and yet you keep posting the same crap. Grow up woman – you’re 60 some years old for heavens sake!

i really, really can’t wait for the day when even racists admit something is racist

the president invites the tamest of african-american artists to the white house, and there’s a collective freak out on fox news, but noooooooooo, that couldn’t possibly have racist underpinnings. no way. these people actually understand common’s perspective, having grown up in the very same ghetto in which common grew up in. hannity obviously knows exactly what it’s like, having eloquently opined on it last night. he really understands the concept of social justice, just like common…….lol

Darla, you’re too young to need a hearing aid. If you had listened to Hannity you would not be stating things he didn’t say. He clearly stated that he doesn’t give a whit what Common says – Hannity believes in free speech. His point – which you are blind to is that when one gets an invite to the White House – it’s an honour. One who believes that a criminal should be glorified should not be getting an invite to the White House.

If you think it’s fine – than say so, but don’t denigrate someone because they don’t agree with you. Stick to facts, not the empty rhetoric you read from the left.

The left threw every silly comment that had nothing to do with the facts to try and justify why they thought there was nothing wrong with it. Not one, including you could stay on topic.

John Stewart didn’t stay on topic and O’Reilly called him on it. You’re not going to win an argument by throwing in a red herring, it just doesn’t work that way. It just makes the side with the valid point realize that you have no valid point thus the obfuscation.

Glackin said:
jdubbellu is a stalker who has accessed your personal information. I have had a run-in with him, and reported him to Mediaite. You should, too. He also posted under “jdublue”.
To any one else who objects, “JDUBBELLU” is a rat and a mole. Your info is NOT safe around him!

They also posted a virus as a link. Pretty disturbed person. How do I go about reporting them to Mediaite?

LibertySister said:
Wow! you really got Fox on that intelligent comment!
Great job your living up to a typical liberal come back to any discussion.

It was a joke on what Stewart said about Fox last night. Those that pay attention got that.

darladoon said:
i really, really can’t wait for the day when even racists admit something is racist

The racists here get very upset when you notice and comment on their racism. Too freakin’ bad. :)

Alice67 said:
They also posted a virus as a link. Pretty disturbed person. How do I go about reporting them to Mediaite?

Gee don’t know Alice – since you “claimed” you’ve reported a bunch of people, suddenly you forgot?

seek said:
Darla, you’re too young to need a hearing aid. If you had listened to Hannity you would not be stating things he didn’t say. He clearly stated that he doesn’t give a whit what Common says – Hannity believes in free speech. His point – which you are blind to is that when one gets an invite to the White House – it’s an honour. One who believes that a criminal should be glorified should not be getting an invite to the White House.

If you think it’s fine – than say so, but don’t denigrate someone because they don’t agree with you. Stick to facts, not the empty rhetoric you read from the left.

The left threw every silly comment that had nothing to do with the facts to try and justify why they thought there was nothing wrong with it. Not one, including you could stay on topic.

John Stewart didn’t stay on topic and O’Reilly called him on it. You’re not going to win an argument by throwing in a red herring, it just doesn’t work that way. It just makes the side with the valid point realize that you have no valid point thus the obfuscation.

if common is a criminal, then sean hannity is an intellectual.

and that you are actually going to defend sean hannity’s point of view on this matter, then i can pretty much guarantee two things:

1. you’re a drying breed (thank the goddesses)

2. when you die, this country will finally evolve into a higher level of consciousness

the right wing of the republican party (which is the vast majority of republicans) is fossilizing. the christian base is the only aspect sustaining it, because actual christians care about helping seniors and the poor.

however, the rest of the republicans are delusional and ignorant, but thankfully, dying off quickly. now if we could only stop destroying the planet, so we can enjoy at least a few generations without you people.

and thank you john stewart! for making these people look like the ridiculous buffoons they are!

Darla, you still didn’t read, but now you’ve wished me dead. Really “adult” of you child. (or maybe you wished me dried)

Did I say Common was a criminal?
Read again, and I think you owe me an apology.

Adults, don’t wish other people dead because they don’t agree with them.

seek said:
Darla, you still didn’t read, but now you’ve wished me dead. Really “adult” of you child. (or maybe you wished me dried)

Did I say Common was a criminal?
Read again, and I think you owe me an apology.

Adults, don’t wish other people dead because they don’t agree with them.

you’re gonna have to do better than that, seek. remember, i’m twice your age, and can run circles around you.

ANYONE who lends any intellectual credence to either sean hannity or bill ‘reilly is three or four notches below those engaged in the “research” of sasquatch, yeti, bigfoot, et al

seek, here is what you said regarding common as criminal, and i quote:

“One who believes that a criminal should be glorified should not be getting an invite to the White House”

shall i print that again? here goes:

“One who believes that a criminal should be glorified should not be getting an invite to the White House”

thank you, goodbye!

“Remember, i’m twice your age, and can run circles around you.”

That’s pretty good for 100! I’m impressed. lol

Are you going to respond like an adult, or continue your childish tirade?

Darla, Common is the one who glorified a criminal in one of his raps.

I did not say Common was a criminal.

Reading comprehension is offered in school (I think) isn’t it?

seek said:
“Remember, i’m twice your age, and can run circles around you.”

That’s pretty good for 100! I’m impressed. lol

Are you going to respond like an adult, or continue your childish tirade?

i’m going to continue my childish tirade.

seek, you’re a random wingnut, why would i stoop to the level of debating ANYTHING with someone
who sees sean hannity’s point of view on the matter?

you have your (wrong and stupid) opinion; and i have mine.

seek said:
Darla, Common is the one who glorified a criminal in one of his raps.

I did not say Common was a criminal.

Reading comprehension is offered in school (I think) isn’t it?

your own quote says otherwise

i’ll let our readers (i’m sure there’s thousands) decide from themselves

as for me, i think your quote speaks for itself.

Darla, I have attempted to treat you with good will because I realize you’re a kid. Up until your last vile post where you wished me dead I had only thought of you as naive. That post made me realize that you’re not naive. You’re a vicious hate filled kid with absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but not enough sense to quit.

When you were proven wrong, the vitriol came out. That is unbecoming behaviour for anyone, especially a young lady. Your parents would be disgusted with you and rightly so.

I will not be responding to you again. I will not tolerate or encourage your bully tactics. Done.

I’m really just befuddled at this “controversy”.

I don’t listen to rap, save for a few duets with rock or pop artists (The Lonely Island’s song “Jack Sparrow” with Michael Bolton is pretty great…).

I kinda understand why people might be uncomfortable with an artist like Common who has some questionable lyrics in his music to be invited to the White House, but to use this invitation as proof that Obama hates cops, just shows to me that it’s another manufactured outrage towards this President over something completely stupid.

I know many have problems with President Obama. I understand many are against his fiscal policies. Fine.
I understand many are against his foreign policy initiatives. Fine.
I understand many are against his policies on immigration. Fine.

I understand the legitimate concerns over Obama’s presidency. I may not agree with those disagreements, but I don’t begrudge people for having those feelings.

But why people must go after this President over the tiniest, most ridiculous, most asinine things day in and day out is beyond me. Are we seriously having discussions on whether Common should have been invited to the White House instead of what our policy in Afghanistan should be going forward post-bin Laden?

This is much of what I have against Fox News. The biggest cable news outlet is using it’s airwaves not to discuss policy so much as to manufacture and maintain this silly non-troversy. This is what I think the main point of Jon Stewart’s bit was on this. Doesn’t it tire people of trying to find things to rage against this President about? Doesn’t all the anger get old?

At the end of the day, the conservatives who are raging over this aren’t going to vote to re-elect Obama anyway. The liberals who are generally supportive of Obama aren’t going to be swayed by this non-troversy and will vote to re-elect him. I can’t see how Independents who will decide the next election would give a rat’s ass about this “scandal”. It’s clear that anyone that is outraged over this will clearly not vote for Obama, so why the big push for this story?

Petty stories like this make me weep for this country.

http://www.elyrics.net/song/c/common-lyrics.html

Lyrics by the man who named his daughter after a cop killer.

True lefty music lovers, you know this guy’s music sucks balls. Come on. Here’s some good stuff. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44wDwMQVqCc

seek said:
Darla, I have attempted to treat you with good will because I realize you’re a kid. Up until your last vile post where you wished me dead I had only thought of you as naive. That post made me realize that you’re not naive. You’re a vicious hate filled kid with absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but not enough sense to quit.

When you were proven wrong, the vitriol came out. That is unbecoming behaviour for anyone, especially a young lady. Your parents would be disgusted with you and rightly so.

I will not be responding to you again. I will not tolerate or encourage your bully tactics. Done.

Seek, where ya been? You just called me a kid, then ran from the answer!
What’s next? Gonna stick your fingers in your ears and go, “NANANANANANANANANAH!!!!!”

Sean68 said:
True lefty music lovers, you know this guy’s music sucks balls. Come on. Here’s some good stuff. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44wDwMQVqCc

Can’t argue with that! Good tune!

Might I also suggest a couple?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93JvHkdYNNw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZmjCq-USqU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qLYy6hiFQ

In my humble opinion, one of these songs equals a thousand Common songs, but that’s mainly because I don’t care for that particular genre.

In a political context, I feel like this issue has really been overblown. But in a broader cultural context, I think there’s so much more to this whole story than is being discussed. Too much to go into in an online discussion forum, but I am curious as to how many people who have already drawn conclusions about all this – and that goes for both those defending Common and those condemning him – have taken an objective look at Assata Shakur’s story and the reasons why some people, like Common, question the verdict in her case. If you haven’t, I highly recommend it. Regardless of which side of this issue you’re on, it makes for a very interesting and informative read, especially if you’re the type of person who just enjoys learning more about U.S. history in general, or, more specifically, the civil rights movement and the major players and organizations involved in it.

seek said:
Darla, I have attempted to treat you with good will because I realize you’re a kid. Up until your last vile post where you wished me dead I had only thought of you as naive. That post made me realize that you’re not naive. You’re a vicious hate filled kid with absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but not enough sense to quit.

When you were proven wrong, the vitriol came out. That is unbecoming behaviour for anyone, especially a young lady. Your parents would be disgusted with you and rightly so.

I will not be responding to you again. I will not tolerate or encourage your bully tactics. Done.

seek….Alice67 and Glackin are now on the NO REPLY zone. They’re Morons and don’t deserve a reply……let them change their names…..

Paul G said:
seek….Alice67 and Glackin are now on the NO REPLY zone. They’re Morons and don’t deserve a reply……let them change their names…..

among the other MORONS here….don’t bother…..

Paul G said:
among the other MORONS here….don’t bother…..

How can I miss you if you won’t go away?

I have to agree with Colby Hall.

Bill O’Reilly did take the high ground and acquitted himself quite well.

A tip of my Factor Cap to Mr. Bill.

Just kidding. I wouldn’t buy Factor Gear if my life depended on it … unless I just happened to need it in order to sneak into a CPAC Conference. :).

But Mr. O’Reilly deserves credit here for keeping it civil.

Bill O’Reilly Hits Back At Jon Stewart’s ‘ Ipecac ‘ Critique Of Fox News ‘Common’ Controversy….. is more to the point.

Jon won’t come on he will chicken out in the end; he has lost his edge, isn’t very epic any more, his single focus on FNC has made him unstable and nearly unwatchable.

Poor Jon, as each day passes he knows his man, his idol, his cult leader, is a one termer and it is eating him alive.

At first I thought this FNC controversy was a “stupid fight”, but maybe I was wrong. Anway, you don’t get to have a show like “The O’Reilly Factor” by being a pussy.

O’Reilly can spin this any which way but loose. The fact remains Fox News is biased and absolutely NOT fair and balanced. Give me a break.

A debate with Stewart? Oh, Bill, you are not a match when it comes to Jon Stewart. He would eat you for breakfast.

EPIC: Surpassing the usual or ordinary, particularly in scope or size; Heroic and impressive in quality

and overused by Colby Hall…

I think he meant to say, Stewart takes a ‘rare’ jab at Fox.

The more you use the word “epic” the less epic it becomes…

kind of like “racism”…

hall said: “O’Reilly’s issue with the Common thinks that Joanne Chesimard, the alleged killer of Jersey Troopers in 1973, is “swell” (to be clear that is O’Reilly’s term, not Common’s.)”

she was “alleged” before her trial… but no matter what you think about her guilt or innocence, she’s now “convicted”…

Joanne was involved in an awful lot of coincidences before 1973.

I just put on my “epic” white T-shirt… and I am drinking an “epic” cup of coffee…

Don’t drink too much, or you may need epicac.

Epicurus is one of my favorite Greek philosophers…
I guess you could call me an Epicurist…

MASSMURDERMEDIA said:
hall said: “O’Reilly’s issue with the Common thinks that Joanne Chesimard, the alleged killer of Jersey Troopers in 1973, is “swell” (to be clear that is O’Reilly’s term, not Common’s.)”

she was “alleged” before her trial… but no matter what you think about her guilt or innocence, she’s now “convicted”…

Convicted by an All-White jury in the 70′s, some of whom had dubious ties to law enforcement.

But, yeah…she was “convicted.”

And what’s your point?

–Cobra

Cobra said:
Convicted by an All-White jury in the 70’s, some of whom had dubious ties to law enforcement.

But, yeah…she was “convicted.”

And what’s your point?

She was convicted, you dullard.

I guess in your racist world, you have to kill 5 or more white cops before you can be considered culpable for your actions.

Obama took out Bin Laden.

The “right” tries to take out a rapper.

GOT IT.

skoorbekim said:
The more you use the word “epic” the less epic it becomes…

kind of like “racism”…

and “UnAmerican”

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
and “UnAmerican”

unless you are not American…

notsofast said:
She was convicted, you dullard.

I guess in your racist world, you have to kill 5 or more white cops before you can be considered culpable for your actions.

I forgot, we have such a fine justice system that once someone is convicted, you can’t defend their innocence. (Looks like someone doesn’t know the story of the Hurricane even if Bob Dylan told it). Because now you advocate their crime. So, on the flip side, OJ Simpson didn’t kill anybody, Al Capone just didn’t pay his taxes, etc., etc.

And the song in question by the way doesn’t condone cop killing, but claims that he feels she is innocent. But I guess it’s hard to distinguish the two, isn’t it.

notsofast said:
She was convicted, you dullard.

I guess in your racist world, you have to kill 5 or more white cops before you can be considered culpable for your actions.

What was the forensic evidence presented at that trial that would lead you to this conclusion?

–Cobra

Bill Huggins said:
Obama took out Bin Laden. The “right” tries to take out a rapper. GOT IT.

If Obama did not approve the McRaven plan presented to him (after 16 hours) he would have been impeached…

skoorbekim said:
unless you are not American…

skoorbekim said:
The more you use the word “epic” the less epic it becomes…

kind of like “racism”…

On the flip side, unless you are racist…

Or a three hour movie (Epic)

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
On the flip side, unless you are racist…

if we are keeping count… The Left has quite the Racist list…

was this Stewart bit “epic” in your opinion?

Bill O’Reilly’s response was perfect. Smart and well-argued. Thinking its a good topic for a media feud is disturbing.

At its core, the issue revolves around the murder of a new jersey state trooper and Common’s song to support one of the convicted murderers. Nothing funny can come out of something so tragic, someone’s father and husband is dead. The killers were black panthers.

Stewart’s poem was really disrespectful to the law enforcement community. Combing the clip about the trooper’s death with Stewart’s silly lyrics was perfect. That should be the end.

Now, I do wish Jon Stewart had addressed that. And it would make for an interesting debate. But that’s not where the absurdity of the statement lies. Now, can you defend Hannity for misquoting the lyrics of a violent rap that concludes with a positive message about breaking free from inner city violence and stepping out of the stereotype of the Urban youth? Or that the whole thing was a trumped up controversy that holds no place in our political discourse? Are you even willing to do just a shred of research into the matter for yourself (I did research to find what Common’s take on his condoning of the cop killer Assata Shakur which as it turns out he didn’t condone the act, but the fact that she was wrongfully convicted which is a stand he took after he researched the case himself and actually and met and talked with her, as opposed to regurgitating talking points without an analysis on what is being said.). So, most likely Jon will go on to the show (Jon enjoys debating Bill and I believe vice versa) and the story will continue to go on and during the debate, Jon will make fun of the fact that they have made the story continue beyond its shelf life. Bill when then follow the interview with an analysis of Jon’s body language during the debate and then claim himself the winner, whereas Jon will go back to Comedy Central, make more jokes about it and continue to deliver social commentary on a rash of other subjects (and that does include Dems and liberal foibles, he’s not above making fun of his own idealogues as well though people seem to think he is.) And then we’ll move to the next phony controversy while Americans continue to be distracted from the suffering of an economy that refuses to pick back up despite the fact that Corporations are enjoying the highest profits they have seen from a quarter. (I think it’s because our president’s a socialist, that has to be it!)

Joanne’s record before the 1973 incident indicates she was a very nice person.

skoorbekim said:
if we are keeping count… The Left has quite the Racist list…

was this Stewart bit “epic” in your opinion?

And the Right has one too. It’s just aimed differently. (Blacks talking negative about whites as opposed to the whites talking negatively about blacks). I won’t say either side is perfect on the matter of the race card, because well they are not. And thanks to TimZank, we have the most racist statement of the thread early on when he calls what Common does to be ebonic gibberish. Say what you will, that’s a pretty racist statement, and it did come from the Right.

As far as “epic,” I do tend to speak in hyperbolic phrases, but usually only when I talk about movies. (Such as “Inception is the most amazing film I’ve ever seen, Epic!”) In the realm of punditry and social commentary, I prefer to say Nice or He hit it where it hurt. I think it’s just hyperbolic expression in which case it becomes a matter of tastes. However, I do agree that if you use the phrase too much, it looses its meaning and power (see also: Hitler). It’s why I try to limit my F-word use to when I need to lay an epic takedown or express epic emotions.

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
(Such as “Inception is the most amazing film I’ve ever seen, Epic!”)

I was disappointed with “Inception”… My expectations might have been too high…

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
It’s why I try to limit my F-word use to when I need to lay an epic takedown or express epic emotions.

Yes, but when others over use the word it ruins it for all of us…

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
I forgot, we have such a fine justice system that once someone is convicted, you can’t defend their innocence. (Looks like someone doesn’t know the story of the Hurricane even if Bob Dylan told it). Because now you advocate their crime. So, on the flip side, OJ Simpson didn’t kill anybody, Al Capone just didn’t pay his taxes, etc., etc.

And the song in question by the way doesn’t condone cop killing, but claims that he feels she is innocent. But I guess it’s hard to distinguish the two, isn’t it.

I also find it interesting how conservatives sing a different tune about the killing of law enforcement when it concerns individuals they’re sympathetic to, like Randy Weaver (Ruby Ridge) or David Koresh (Waco).

Or the wild talk in the right about “second amendment solutions” and “Tree of Liberty watered with the blood of tyrants” stuff.

–Cobra

Well, yeah, Cobra. Some on the far right ignored what Koresh was doing, the same way the far left ignores Joanne’s long and violent criminal history.

Cobra said:
I also find it interesting how conservatives sing a different tune about the killing of law enforcement when it concerns individuals they’re sympathetic to, like Randy Weaver (Ruby Ridge) or David Koresh (Waco).

Or the wild talk in the right about “second amendment solutions” and “Tree of Liberty watered with the blood of tyrants” stuff.

–Cobra

Ideological blinders pretty much. It’s difficult to see when your own side is flawed or in the wrong. And when they are in the wrong we get phrases like RINO or DINO. I recommend to people to consider an independent stance on things, you can still be conservative or liberal, but you don’t get pigeon holed and have to find absurd ways to defend positions that make little to no logical sense.

O’Reilly used false logic to make his argument last night. He said that you cannot justify bad behavior with other bad behavior. That is true, but it is not what Jon Stewart did.

Jon Stewart did not justify the lyrics in the 2 songs O’Reilly and the right are all up in arms about, although I’m sure Stewart has no problem with the lyrics.

Instead, what Jon Stewart did was to point out the hypocrisy on Bill O’Reilly’s part as well as other Fox News personalities’ hypocrisy (like Sean Hannity). They strongly condemn Obama and his invite of Common to the White House, yet someone like Hannity approves of Ted Nugent telling Obama he can “suck on this,” while waving around a machine gun. In that video clip, Nugent says that Obama is a “piece of s#%t.” Nugent says that Hillary can “ride into the sunset” on his machine gun. He also says that Barbara Boxer can suck on his machine gun.

In that video clip, Bob Beckel asks Hannity if he will disavow what Nugent said, and Hannity says “no.” In fact, he says that Nugent is a friend of his.

As another example, Stewart points out lyrics Johnny Cash once sang, lyrics about killing someone. Yet Jon Stewart goes on to show George Bush bestowing honors upon Johnny Cash in person.

Jon Stewart was not justifying Common’s lyrics by pointing out “bad” things Johnny Cash and Ted Nugent have said; he was pointing out the hypocrisy on Fox News.

By the way, I saw Letterman play a clip last night of George W.H. Bush at the Kennedy Center, where he had invited Andrew Dice Clay to entertain. Andrew Dice Clay is a foul-mouthed comedian who is highly criticized by many, including women’s groups, who think he is a misogynist, a racist, and a homophobe. Those on the right are also accusing Common of being a misogynist.

For me the real question is why didn’t Fox just let Hannity speak up for himself. For that matter, why didn’t Hannity take the initiative and do so? I’m not suggesting that anyone told O’Reilly to run interference for him but I could see how one might think that’s what happened.

I want to hear what Hannity has to say in response to this.

First of all, just because a liberal gets all exercised over something a conservative says and goes on a rant does not make his rant “epic,” as Mediaite keeps promoting it.

Secondly, what O’Reilly, et.al. criticized was not that Common wrote or sang FICTIONAL lyrics about violence, as Johnny Cash did; or sang FICTIONAL lyrics about killing a sheriff, as Eric Clapton did; or was foul-mouthed, as Andrew Dice Clay was. What they objected to was that Common, who defended a convicted, fugitive cop-killer and made a veiled threat to the life of a sitting president, was invited to the White House.

I never heard either of them say they would not allow Common on FoxNews to defend his lyrics. See, being on FoxNews, as Ted Nugent has been, is NOT THE SAME as being invited to the White House. There’s a difference between being allowed on FoxNews and being honored with an invitation to perform at the White House. And, there is a difference between freedom of speech, and being honored with an invitation to perform at the White House. And there is a difference between fiction and reality. Do you understand, now? If you want to attempt to draw a moral equivalance, the two examples should be somewhat similar.

So, come up with an example of someone who has sung the praises of a convicted cop killer in song being invited to the White House (preferably by a Republican administration, to maximize your outrage over the hypocrisy), and we can see if O’Reilly and FoxNews reacted the same way. I’ll wait….

Bill O’Reilly noted that Stewart failed to mention rapper Common defended two convicted killers. What O’Reilly forgot to mention is that both convicted killers convictions are controversial in itself. The state trooper has admitted he lied and did not see Assanta with a gun, medical evidence shows she was not physically capable of pulling the trigger after she was shot. Yet an all white jury convicted her. Common lyrics not only mention that but this evidence in the trial. Essentially Common told a side of the trial that the jury did not put much stock. I wonder if a white American worker was convicted in a foreign country and it appeared he did not do it to some, would the likes of Palin, O’Reilly, and Hannity accept it as a conviction or talk about it as an injustice.

For all you who have posted Common lyrics are about killing cops, or treating women poorly etc. Please copy and paste those lyrics as I haven’t found them. Another thing one of the great things about Common is his play on words. You can go back to his early stuff with Relativity up until now and see he does that. Burn a bush is open to interpretation….there is biblical reference and Bush was the president. If he wanted to take down the president wouldn’t it be more in the violent thug like atmosphere that some of you have painted him in to shoot the man. Instead he uses burn a bush and goes into Bush’s failures as commander and chief. The word burn also means you didn’t do your job……as in toast patterson got burned by the wide receiver. Not everything is meant to be taken literally.

I am sure this post has changed no minds of those who are looking for something to throw at the Obamas. It just gave me a bit of relief. Hate on Haters it seems it is the only thing you can do.

michaelfleszar said:
GOD BLESS BILL O’REILLY

NOT CONVINCED THAT THE DEATH OF OSAMA BIN LADEN IS A CONSPIRACY? THEN WHY HAS THIS BEEN DELETED REPEATEDLY FROM MAJOR NEWS SITES?

Um, it’s been deleted because it sounds demented. The author is certifiable. As in batsh#t. crazy.
Got it?

CRW said:
First of all, just because a liberal gets all exercised over something a conservative says and goes on a rant does not make his rant “epic,” as Mediaite keeps promoting it.

Secondly, what O’Reilly, et.al. criticized was not that Common wrote or sang FICTIONAL lyrics about violence, as Johnny Cash did; or sang FICTIONAL lyrics about killing a sheriff, as Eric Clapton did; or was foul-mouthed, as Andrew Dice Clay was. What they objected to was that Common, who defended a convicted, fugitive cop-killer and made a veiled threat to the life of a sitting president, was invited to the White House.

I never heard either of them say they would not allow Common on FoxNews to defend his lyrics. See, being on FoxNews, as Ted Nugent has been, is NOT THE SAME as being invited to the White House. There’s a difference between being allowed on FoxNews and being honored with an invitation to perform at the White House. And, there is a difference between freedom of speech, and being honored with an invitation to perform at the White House. And there is a difference between fiction and reality. Do you understand, now? If you want to attempt to draw a moral equivalance, the two examples should be somewhat similar.

So, come up with an example of someone who has sung the praises of a convicted cop killer in song being invited to the White House (preferably by a Republican administration, to maximize your outrage over the hypocrisy), and we can see if O’Reilly and FoxNews reacted the same way. I’ll wait….

First, the statement epic takedown is hyperbolic, much the same way that Obama is the worst president in history. (You can’t really put Bush or Obama in the same category as Harding, Buchanan, Grant or even Hoover, the guy on watch when the Great Depression actually hit and we somehow avoided.) If you take offense to that statement as much as people seem to have then perhaps you don’t understand hyperbole. Yes, it was an over the top statement, yes, it borders on the ridiculous, but again, it’s a literary device not to be taken literally. (Though you can get at me, because I did call someone out to prove why Obama was a worst president in history where compared to those guys, and alas, I got no response.) So, was it “epic?” No. Did the writer think it was truly “epic?” Probably not. Should he stop using the word “epic.” I think so. He needs to get a more powerful hyperbolic expression if he wants to have the impact that his original use of the word “epic” had. After all, it seems to have angered everybody in the whole world. (Also hyperbole.)

And since we’re talking about words here, I’d like to pinpoint your use of words that though can be considered true, also can create the wrong view of things when looked at: “come up with an example of someone who has sung the praises of a convicted cop killer in song being invited to the White House.” Okay, now while he did sing the praises of a convicted cop killer, he did not sing the praises of cop killing or violence in that song. He wrote that song after he visited with her, hiding in Cuba. He wrote it because he felt she was innocent after doing the research on the trial as opposed to just writing a song condoning her actions. Again, it would be the same as saying that Bob Dylan condones murder, he wrote that song about Ruben “Hurricane” Carter. Your wording paints an artist who is trying to write a song about someone’s innocence into an out and out violent creed about killing cops. In other words, you left out pertinent information to make your case more inflammatory. Sort of like what you are attacking Jon Stewart for doing.

It seems that even O’Reilly is getting tired of these incessant contrived outrages that his boss comes up with.

Cobra said:
Convicted by an All-White jury in the 70’s, some of whom had dubious ties to law enforcement. But, yeah…she was “convicted.” And what’s your point?

my point is quite simple… it’s been my experience that convicts usually are not referred to as “alleged”… i suppose they might be referred to as alleged by their fellow convicts behind bars, where of course, everyone is innocent… maybe she did get railroaded, maybe she’s totally innocent, i have no idea, i haven’t studied the case up nor do i plan to… i do know, however, that she’s a convicted murderer, by virtue of her conviction… guilty or not, we’re way passed alleged…

O’Reilly “… invited Mr. Stewart on his show to debate Fox News coverage.”

Big of him.

Better idea: Have Stewart & O’Reilly meet on a neutral site to discuss/debate the issue. Prevents O’Reilley … or Stewart, to be fair (although less likely to do so) … from rigging the game. O’Reilly (Fox generally) is famous for editing content to suit his argument; Stewart is more likely to hold back on his own show to be “fair.”

So stick ‘em both on CNN, any other real network, and let ‘em go at it.

The facts are so overtly on Stewart’s side that it would be a bloodbath … the right-wingnuts would have to change channels.

Persistence said:
The facts are so overtly on Stewart’s side that it would be a bloodbath … the right-wingnuts would have to change channels.

How are the “facts” on Stewarts side? The FACT is that Common spouts out horrendous lyrics and the context doesn’t change that. The FACT is that NO ONE should support or praise the guy or lend him any credibility, let alone the White House. The FACT is that Fox’s “feature” of him was barely recognizable as a “Fox” feature (freelance article on their website) and was next to nothing compared to the White House invite. The FACT is that even if Fox did more than that, that’s make what Fox did wrong and not what Obama did right.

The FACT is that you hate Fox and love Obama and thus you are incapable of putting forward a logical assessment of the FACTS.

CRW said:
First of all, just because a liberal gets all exercised over something a conservative says and goes on a rant does not make his rant “epic,” as Mediaite keeps promoting it.

Secondly, what O’Reilly, et.al. criticized was not that Common wrote or sang FICTIONAL lyrics about violence, as Johnny Cash did; or sang FICTIONAL lyrics about killing a sheriff, as Eric Clapton did; or was foul-mouthed, as Andrew Dice Clay was. What they objected to was that Common, who defended a convicted, fugitive cop-killer and made a veiled threat to the life of a sitting president, was invited to the White House.

I never heard either of them say they would not allow Common on FoxNews to defend his lyrics. See, being on FoxNews, as Ted Nugent has been, is NOT THE SAME as being invited to the White House. There’s a difference between being allowed on FoxNews and being honored with an invitation to perform at the White House. And, there is a difference between freedom of speech, and being honored with an invitation to perform at the White House. And there is a difference between fiction and reality. Do you understand, now? If you want to attempt to draw a moral equivalance, the two examples should be somewhat similar.

So, come up with an example of someone who has sung the praises of a convicted cop killer in song being invited to the White House (preferably by a Republican administration, to maximize your outrage over the hypocrisy), and we can see if O’Reilly and FoxNews reacted the same way. I’ll wait….

There is an equivalence here.
1. First, in answer to your last question, here is such an example. In 1991, controversial gansta rapper Easy-E was invited to a luncheon for George H.W. Bush. Easy-E did attend. Note that Easy-E is generally known as the “godfather” of gangsta-rap. Easy-E was in the group “N.W.A.” and helped form this group. You know what that stands for, don’t you? Easy-E dropped out of high school then sold drugs. It is believed he made some $250,000 with such activity and used this money to form Ruthless Records. I know little about N.W.A. but know that they have produced some very controversial lyrics. I also know that they wrote and sung a song called “F#**%k the Police.” Easy-E died of AIDs in 1995.
2. Common’s lyrics do not “praise” that cop-killer. He is defending her and does not believe she committed the murder. In fact, if you look at the lyrics O’Reilly put up, they say “she couldn’t have pulled the trigger.” The lyrics I read state that in spite of the fact she had her hands up, the cops shot her twice. In spite of the fact she was handcuffed, she was maced in the face and beaten. Apparently human rights groups had launched complaints about her treatment while in prison. Nowhere in those lyrics did I see a defense of actual cop killers; nowhere in those lyrics did I see Common encouraging cop-killing. Keep in mind that Common actually met and talked with this woman in Cuba. Perhaps he is misguided; I don’t know, but when human rights groups file complaints of her treatment, there’s got to be something there.
3. Common did not use a veiled threat against President Bush. It was a metaphor in a song. What Nugent said was not in a song; it was a hateful rant actually threatening Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Barbara Boxer. Hannity did not even say that Nugent may have had the right to say what he said, but he disagreed. That’s the least he could have said. By the way, if I walked into a crowd and said something like Nugent said, I would likely be arrested and thrown in jail. When Hannity and others at Fox invite Nugent onto their shows and do not say something about what he said, they are tacitly approving a threat on Obama and those others mentioned.
4. One of the complaints that Hannity, Rove, and others on the right have about Common being invited to the White House is that they claim he is a misogynist. One of the complaints about Andrew Dice Clay is that he is also a misogynist.

Gansta rapper Easy-E was a lot more vicious and hateful with his lyrics than Common is. Common is known as being socially conscious. He encourages non-violence. In fact, he works with young Chicago kids, encouraging them to learn poetry rather than resort to violence.

These conservatives like Hannity and Rove are blowing things way out of proportion, simply because they have a deep seated, unadulterated hatred of Barack Obama.

TfT said:
Jon won’t come on he will chicken out in the end; he has lost his edge, isn’t very epic any more, his single focus on FNC has made him unstable and nearly unwatchable.

Poor Jon, as each day passes he knows his man, his idol, his cult leader, is a one termer and it is eating him alive.

Does the TfT stand for “Total ‘effing Twit?”
Your prediction died before the sun went down.

CanofSand said:
How are the “facts” on Stewarts side? The FACT is that Common spouts out horrendous lyrics and the context doesn’t change that. The FACT is that NO ONE should support or praise the guy or lend him any credibility, let alone the White House. The FACT is that Fox’s “feature” of him was barely recognizable as a “Fox” feature (freelance article on their website) and was next to nothing compared to the White House invite. The FACT is that even if Fox did more than that, that’s make what Fox did wrong and not what Obama did right.

The FACT is that you hate Fox and love Obama and thus you are incapable of putting forward a logical assessment of the FACTS.

“Context doesn’t change that.”

Really? That’s your argument?

So, if you say “I think it’s immoral for people to say ‘… we should kill all cops …’ ” and I quote you as saying “… we should kill all cops” you think THAT spin on context is irrelevant?

But, of course, you think Ted Nugent’s express — not metaphorical, not poetic — comments were “OK” because there’s nothing wrong with promoting violence against a candidate BEFORE he gets elected president.

Dope.

CanofSand said:
How are the “facts” on Stewarts side? The FACT is that Common spouts out horrendous lyrics and the context doesn’t change that. The FACT is that NO ONE should support or praise the guy or lend him any credibility, let alone the White House. The FACT is that Fox’s “feature” of him was barely recognizable as a “Fox” feature (freelance article on their website) and was next to nothing compared to the White House invite. The FACT is that even if Fox did more than that, that’s make what Fox did wrong and not what Obama did right.

The FACT is that you hate Fox and love Obama and thus you are incapable of putting forward a logical assessment of the FACTS.

Persistence said:
“Context doesn’t change that.”

Really? That’s your argument?

So, if you say “I think it’s immoral for people to say ‘… we should kill all cops …’ ” and I quote you as saying “… we should kill all cops” you think THAT spin on context is irrelevant?

But, of course, you think Ted Nugent’s express — not metaphorical, not poetic — comments were “OK” because there’s nothing wrong with promoting violence against a candidate BEFORE he gets elected president.

Dope.

Oh, wait … my bad. I just realized that you don’t know what a “FACT” is. Come back when you’re out of High School.

skoorbekim said:
If Obama did not approve the McRaven plan presented to him (after 16 hours) he would have been impeached…

No, you would not know about it. McRaven would have gone back and drawn up another plan. That’s the way the chain of command works, genius.
And you seem to think 16 hours is too long to weigh the implications of invasion, assassination, and the possible retribution?
Stay with your stick figures. the reality based world is not for you.

sconoglio said:
Bill O’Reilly noted that Stewart failed to mention rapper Common defended two convicted killers. What O’Reilly forgot to mention is that both convicted killers convictions are controversial in itself. The state trooper has admitted he lied and did not see Assanta with a gun, medical evidence shows she was not physically capable of pulling the trigger after she was shot. Yet an all white jury convicted her. Common lyrics not only mention that but this evidence in the trial. Essentially Common told a side of the trial that the jury did not put much stock. I wonder if a white American worker was convicted in a foreign country and it appeared he did not do it to some, would the likes of Palin, O’Reilly, and Hannity accept it as a conviction or talk about it as an injustice.

For all you who have posted Common lyrics are about killing cops, or treating women poorly etc. Please copy and paste those lyrics as I haven’t found them. Another thing one of the great things about Common is his play on words. You can go back to his early stuff with Relativity up until now and see he does that. Burn a bush is open to interpretation….there is biblical reference and Bush was the president. If he wanted to take down the president wouldn’t it be more in the violent thug like atmosphere that some of you have painted him in to shoot the man. Instead he uses burn a bush and goes into Bush’s failures as commander and chief. The word burn also means you didn’t do your job……as in toast patterson got burned by the wide receiver. Not everything is meant to be taken literally.

I am sure this post has changed no minds of those who are looking for something to throw at the Obamas. It just gave me a bit of relief. Hate on Haters it seems it is the only thing you can do.

I’ll second what you say. And, from what I am about to say, I’m sure it will change no minds for those who hate Obama……it also just gives me some relief.

One or two expert witnesses, doctors, said that the nature of her wounds was such that A)she could have only received those wounds with her hands raised above her head and B)they wounds were of such a nature (nerve damage) that she could not have pulled the trigger of a gun.

That trooper did indeed admit that he lied in his police report. Further, absolutely no gunpowder residue was found on the woman’s hands; absolutely none of her fingerprints were on any of the guns.

It is known that because she was a member of a radical group, she was targeted by law enforcement over the years. She had been arrested a number of other times, charged, but acquitted for some of these suspected crimes.

There is evidence that she was targeted by the FBI’s COIntelPro operation, an operation which is known to have performed illegal actions. They monitored and went after groups they thought to be subversive like communists, socialist, the NAACP, Vietnam War protesters, and even Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Now I don’t really know whether or not this lady actually killed that cop, even though she was actually convicted of doing so; but I can see why Common might think she is innocent. And, please look at all of the lyrics to that song in question. I found it, so you should be able to as well. None of those lyrics encourage cop killing; none of those lyrics praise the killings of cops. All of those lyrics in that song appear to be defending her innocence or speaking out against her apparent severe mistreatment while in custody. In fact, a group within the United Nations studied the complaints about her mistreatment and determined that it was the worst case they had ever seen of mistreatment of a prisoner…..they concluded that no one should be treated in prison like she was. That’s what Common’s song is about; it is not about “praising” cop-killers.

As far as those burning bush lyrics are concerned, I once heard Rush Limbaugh say that you believe what you want to believe. As much as I cannot stand Limbaugh, there is some truth to that statement. Those who believe the Bush comments were a “veiled threat” on George Bush believe that because that’s what they want to believe.

MASSMURDERMEDIA said:
hall said: “O’Reilly’s issue with the Common thinks that Joanne Chesimard, the alleged killer of Jersey Troopers in 1973, is “swell” (to be clear that is O’Reilly’s term, not Common’s.)”

she was “alleged” before her trial… but no matter what you think about her guilt or innocence, she’s now “convicted”…

Yes, she was convicted. But so have a number of innocent people accused of murder, rape, etc. A number of these have been exonerated many years later because of DNA.

notsofast said:
She was convicted, you dullard.

I guess in your racist world, you have to kill 5 or more white cops before you can be considered culpable for your actions.

Yes, she was convicted, but expert witnesses (doctor or two) said that her injuries she sustained could have only occurred with her hands up over her head. They said that she could not have fired a gun with her injuries (nerve damage).

No gunpowder residue was found on her hands. None of her fingerprints were found on any of the guns involved.

It is known that this woman was targeted by FBI COINTELPRO operations, some of which are now known to be illegal. They monitored and went after groups and people they determined to be “subversive,” like communists, socialists, the NAACP, Vietnam War protesters, and even Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

I don’t know if she actually shot the cop or not, but I do know that, yes, she was convicted in the early 1970s by an all white jury.

Zermatt2 said:

You are arguing with nutsofast, a buffoon who calls people “son” because he thinks that …Forget it, what he does can’t be called thinking.
I don’t believe he knows it, but that hairdo would get him an FBI file on its own, white boy or not.
Remember, J Edgar investigated Dr. Spock, and the lyrics to “Louie, Louie”.

I don’t leave comments too often, but when I do, I tend to leave a number of them in the same day.

Next time, I’ll have to remember this nutsofast. Thanks for the advice!

MASSMURDERMEDIA said:
hall said: “O’Reilly’s issue with the Common thinks that Joanne Chesimard, the alleged killer of Jersey Troopers in 1973, is “swell” (to be clear that is O’Reilly’s term, not Common’s.)”

she was “alleged” before her trial… but no matter what you think about her guilt or innocence, she’s now “convicted”…

But he is convinced she was wrongly convicted. So conviction or not, he and many believe it is wrong, which it well may the truth. They have a perfect right to seek justice for those whom were convicted.

Zermatt2 said:
Yes, she was convicted. But so have a number of innocent people accused of murder, rape, etc. A number of these have been exonerated many years later because of DNA.

i wouldn’t dispute that… it just seems to me at this point using the term “alleged” is a little opinionated as opposed to the simple fact she was convicted… that’s quite alright, i suppose, since bloggers don’t usually hold themselves up to be objective, as opposed to straight reporters…

jakester said:
But he is convinced she was wrongly convicted. So conviction or not, he and many believe it is wrong, which it well may the truth. They have a perfect right to seek justice for those whom were convicted.

i understand that common is convinced… i also believe he should have the same artistic license enjoyed by johnny cash or the most satanic death metal band you can imagine… and there’s plenty to criticize obama about without having to pile on this bull crap… but all those men exonerated by dna still have at least one thing in common: they were all convicted… and any amount of speculation about their innocence will never change that…

MASSMURDERMEDIA said:
i understand that common is convinced… i also believe he should have the same artistic license enjoyed by johnny cash or the most satanic death metal band you can imagine… and there’s plenty to criticize obama about without having to pile on this bull crap… but all those men exonerated by dna still have at least one thing in common: they were all convicted… and any amount of speculation about their innocence will never change that…

There is NO explanation needed. They WERE innocent. The fact they were “convicted” only proves the system is not infallible.
Doesn’t it bother you that is statistically inevitable that some “convicted” people were “executed” LEGALLY when they were scientifically “innocent”?
Did society kill “innocent” people?
DNA has freed 152 people from Death Row.
That means there are 152 guilty people walking free.
And no one is looking for them.

@Arthur (Not a Political Comic): Some good points! Thanks for the basic vocabulary lesson, but I was not lamenting the use of hyperbole; merely the fact that nearly all use of hyperbole on Mediaite leans to the left. Perhaps it reveals my own sensitivities, but it seem that Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, David Letterman, and the like, are always fantastically bettering their conservative guests, targets, or counterparts according to Mediaite, while the headlines regarding smacked-down liberals are usually reduced to minimalist, factual statements. Just part of my pet peeve, about media skewing everything within their power to push a cause, rather than merely reporting the facts for their audiences to judge.

As you may have guessed, my statement, which you parsed, was carefully worded, so as not to make the mistake I heard other conservatives make. I did not write that Common was a Gangsta-rapper, or a cop-killer, or that he glorified or promoted cop-killing. I trusted that anyone who read it would recognize that. However, your argument about Bob Dylan’s “Hurricane” was the best I have heard/read in support of Common. Aside from the fact that Hurricane Carter did not escape and flee to Cuba, their situations MAY be similar. Not enough has been publicized about the subject of Common’s lyrics to judge. But if Common truly believes in her innocence, he is definitely not attempting to glorify cop killing, and he is at worst just wrong. If that were a crime, we’d all be in prison.

BTW, Jon Stewart is one of the few liberals I can stand to watch, because he usually has cogent arguments, and he usually refrains from demagoguery for its own sake. So, carrying on this theme of the accurate use of words, I take issue with your writing that I “attacked” Jon Stewart. I first wanted to chide Mediaite for its lopsided coverage, and I wanted to answer many of the comments, including some of Jon Stewart’s, which I felt were irrelevant. In so doing, I elicited your response, which was more illuminating than most.

@Zermatt2: More good arguments! I did not know about Easy-E and Bush 41. Though what you describe wasn’t a rapper in any way promoting cop killers, it is still just the kind of stuff that O’Reilly and Hannity would have a cow about, if he were invited to the Obama White House.

I knew about the misogyny argument, but I felt that was secondary. For that matter, I don’t think Andrew Dice Clay deserved an invitation to the White House, either. But again, I don’t believe in censorship, and I don’t believe O’Reilly or Hannity believe in censorship. They claim not to, anyway. I do not believe what Ted Nugent said about Obama or Clinton were actual threats. But, since you seem to have access to the White House guest list, was Nugent invited there? If not, he is irrelevant to this particular argument.

For the record, what little I have heard about Common leads me to have a positive opinion of him, despite my aversion to rap. My comments were not motivated by a dislike for him. Nor were they motivated by a dislike for Obama. It was just the fact that most others were making irrelevant comparisons and drawing faulty analogies, which I attributed to ideological hatred of FoxNews, that prompted me to write.

This story has nothing what so ever to do with the rapper ‘ Common ‘, just the same as it’s not about what Chesimard may or may not have done.

It’s about the failed policies ( including this incident ) of a black, racist husband and wife team that just happen to be the current president and first lady of the entire United States of America. Not just ” the blacks “.

Ninety percent of black folks in this country hate ( to the point of wanting us dead ) the white man. This racist jackass, Barack Obama and his wife just told them it’s OK to feel that way. In fact the two of them feel the same way too. That’s not OK, not now..not ever…not even for the slaves it’s not OK. Got it ?

The evidence shows that Assata Shakur (Chesimard ) was wrongly convicted. The facts of the case are: She did not fire a gun at all and had no gun at all in her possession–the policeman who put those lies in his report admitted on the stand that he had lied in his police reports. That policeman, who had lied, had shot her in the stomach AFTER she raised her hands in surrender and then shot her again in the back as she turned to get away from his gunfire. The police had killed her husband and her husband had killed a policeman while he and the police were outside and in back of the car. She was inside and in the passenger side front seat. Based on this evidence, Assata Shackur was convicted by an all-white jury of being an accessory to a murder of a Cop and accessory to murder of her husband and minor charges. This just goes to show that you can convict any black person of anything if you can get a white jury to hate them enough. [Ed. Note: I am as white as a ghost, and am a lawyer, and have cops in my family, and I hate Cop Killers.] Only a moron would think that case was not a total miscarriage of justice. I have no beef with Common for saying that it was.

I WANT TO KNOW WHY NEWS MEDIA “LIKE FOX NEWS”WON,T EXPOSE THE TRUTH FACKS ON HOW “WALMART IS DISTROYING AMERICA”BU Y SELLING EVERYTHING FROM DRUGS ,HAIR SHOPS WELNESS CARE,AUTOS ,GROCERIES,HARDWARE,”IF IT,S FOR SALE WALMART SELLS IT.WHEN “MA BELL ,OIL, RAILROADS GOT TO BIS OUT CAME “THE TRUSR BUSTER ACT ” AND BROKE THEN UP AND “THIS”  PUT MANY BUSINESSES BACK.AMREICA WAS PUT BACK TO WORK.DO THE HISTORY AND “you” WILL KNOW WHY WE ARE MARRIED TO CHINA..READ BILL QUINNS BOOK “HOW WALMART IS DESTROYING AMREICA AND THE WORLD.